Verotel Vs Ibill - GoFuckYourself.com

Bentley · 11-26-2003, 01:57 PM

I'm currently working with IBILL, but want to try Verotel. Any suggestions about Verotel ? Have you met problems working with them ?

pamphage · 11-26-2003, 02:18 PM

verotel pays out like clockwork every week. no problems.

doober · 11-26-2003, 02:23 PM

except they never answer emails....BUT they have live support and they answer the phone.
Works for now

pamphage · 11-26-2003, 02:26 PM

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Originally posted by doober
except they never answer emails....BUT they have live support and they answer the phone.
Works for now

they answer my emails, though it takes a few days.

of course he's asking about in comparison to ibill so i can't imagine it's too much worse than ibill customer service.

Veterans Day · 11-26-2003, 02:28 PM

if its that serious of a problem PICK UP THE DAMN PHONE, why trust a huge problem to an email, you guys crack me up. Verotel pays like clockwork

Alice22 · 11-26-2003, 02:31 PM

Support is slow, but evetuthing else is fine.

Veterans Day · 11-26-2003, 02:32 PM

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Originally posted by Alice22
Support is slow, but evetuthing else is fine.

how slow is a phone call, ring-ring Hello

doober · 11-26-2003, 02:38 PM

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Originally posted by Veterans Day
if its that serious of a problem PICK UP THE DAMN PHONE, why trust a huge problem to an email, you guys crack me up. Verotel pays like clockwork

I have no Qualms about calling them, shit ive called them several times!
The only bitch is the time diff for the office hours

Bentley · 11-26-2003, 02:45 PM

And when do they sent first wire ? I've heard that they hold first payment and sent it after the second. Is it truth ?

doober · 11-26-2003, 02:56 PM

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Originally posted by Bentley
And when do they sent first wire ? I've heard that they hold first payment and sent it after the second. Is it truth ?

no.
There is a time lapse tho to get paid, I dunno how many weeks it was anymore...call and ask or signup and find out

bdld · 11-26-2003, 03:24 PM

verotel works for me

BukkakeBrown · 11-26-2003, 03:34 PM

If you get a good sales rep....iBill is money.

directfiesta · 11-26-2003, 03:54 PM

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Originally posted by BukkakeBrown
If you get a good sales rep....iBill is money.

Agreed.

I had stopped new signups with Ibill, because my rep was a disaster ( Sylvia Perez).

When I had to go with then after the Visa shit, I had a new rep ( no, I keep it a secret...) and everything is great since...

Verotel seems to be OK. Only worry : the visa registration fee " evasion"....

swingerman · 11-26-2003, 05:43 PM

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Originally posted by directfiesta

Verotel seems to be OK. Only worry : the visa registration fee " evasion"....

VEROTEL is a EUROPEAN company.
Only VISA US requires a registration fee.
If you are a client of VEROTEL, CCBillEU, 2000Charge, or any other european billing processor, you simply don't have to pay the VISA fee. You are not allowed to pay this fee. They don't want the $750

Jon Levi · 11-26-2003, 05:43 PM

go with PSW they are the shit

doober · 11-26-2003, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by swingerman

VEROTEL is a EUROPEAN company.
Only VISA US requires a registration fee.
If you are a client of VEROTEL, CCBillEU, 2000Charge, or any other european billing processor, you simply don't have to pay the VISA fee. You are not allowed to pay this fee. They don't want the $750

all very true, BUT....
Verotel also accept american webmasters which is in violation with US ipsp/visa rules

swingerman · 11-26-2003, 06:11 PM

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Originally posted by doober

all very true, BUT....
Verotel also accept american webmasters which is in violation with US ipsp/visa rules

you're probably right.
is it also the other way round?
i mean, i don't know if visa us rules apply to a european ipsp like verotel...
the question is: does visa international say that a european ipsp may only process for european clients?
anybody knows this for sure? i could only speculate...

Fabien · 11-26-2003, 06:13 PM

Got ass fucked by them

Dutchbilling too as matter of fact

Hi Marcel

directfiesta · 11-26-2003, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by swingerman

the question is: does visa international say that a european ipsp may only process for european clients?
anybody knows this for sure? i could only speculate...

This is what Visa is aiming to accomplish: processing clients in their own regions.

So to be processed in the US by Ibill, CCbill and so on, you need:
- a US corp/presence
- 750.00 to give them.

To be processed by a ISPS in EU, you should be :
- A EU corp

Now if the EU corp start processing clients out of theitr region ( US and others), then this is what causes the problem...

Anyway, it is still a bucket of shit...

swingerman · 11-26-2003, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by directfiesta

This is what Visa is aiming to accomplish: processing clients in their own regions.

So to be processed in the US by Ibill, CCbill and so on, you need:
- a US corp/presence
- 750.00 to give them.

To be processed by a ISPS in EU, you should be :
- A EU corp

Now if the EU corp start processing clients out of theitr region ( US and others), then this is what causes the problem...

Anyway, it is still a bucket of shit...

I see. thanx.

yes, it's definitely shit!

Bentley · 11-27-2003, 05:30 AM

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Originally posted by Jon Levi
go with PSW they are the shit

They cease processing.

when I heard about Jettis and PSW ... I become hesitating to procee with Verotel. As far as I know they use Netherland processing. They might use some offshore or european merchants ... which can easily seace processing as PSW and all those within past 6 months

AdultKing · 11-27-2003, 05:41 AM

iBill owe me thousands of dollars, Verotel owe me nothing. Therefore Verotel get my vote.

Kevin2 · 11-27-2003, 07:51 AM

I use Verotel on one of my pay sites and as a 2nd processor on the other 13 and they are great to deal with. When CCbill declines a customer I popup a verotel signup amd most times they get approved and I've never had a charge back with them

zentz · 11-27-2003, 07:55 AM

verotel have a good start but i would stick with ibill for little more time

abdab_1 · 11-27-2003, 08:23 AM

my advice to you is to have as many billing options as possible.

With the way things are in the current market you have to cover you ass totally.

Its a fair split between Nochex users over Verotel & CCBill I dont see many iBill users in my space.

Also again I have to say Verotal CCBill & iBill are not your only options there are a lot of processors out there. Many of who offer competitive rates.

rabbit · 11-27-2003, 08:24 AM

correct me if i'm wroing, but verotel has loose standards as to the type of content that's allowed on their sites... considering the tightening of regulations, isn't dealing with verotel riskier than dealing with processors that are more strict on what type of sites they accept?

just my 2c

the rabbit

conan · 11-27-2003, 08:40 AM

Verotel's representative took her time to call me on the phone to solve my problem with log in.

After 3 years with iBill, No f...ing way you can expect a call from them to help you out with something. I closed my account with them, suddenly some weird stuff started to happen to my reserve money. Some chargebacks, refunds this and that. I doubt that I will ever see the full reserve amount

SENSEX · 11-27-2003, 08:59 AM

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Originally posted by carbondream
correct me if i'm wroing, but verotel has loose standards as to the type of content that's allowed on their sites... considering the tightening of regulations, isn't dealing with verotel riskier than dealing with processors that are more strict on what type of sites they accept?

just my 2c

the rabbit

they follow the standards of their Country's laws, (Netherlands) and until those laws change why should they do different?

IanUK · 11-27-2003, 09:02 AM

If you are from Europe be aware that iBill are currently withholding all reserves for the last few months - its the third time they have done this in as many months - and there's no end in sight.

They also have the worst customer support in the industry.

Verotel all the way !

But CCBill first

rabbit · 11-27-2003, 09:09 AM

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Originally posted by SENSEX

they follow the standards of their Country's laws, (Netherlands) and until those laws change why should they do different?

i'm not arguing for/against, i'm just saying tha VISA is an international company (read: american). they can easily apply preassure in order to prevent those sites being available in the states

the rabbit

SENSEX · 11-27-2003, 09:14 AM

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Originally posted by carbondream

i'm not arguing for/against, i'm just saying tha VISA is an international company (read: american). they can easily apply preassure in order to prevent those sites being available in the states

the rabbit

true.

Jive · 11-28-2003, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by swingerman

VEROTEL is a EUROPEAN company.
Only VISA US requires a registration fee.
If you are a client of VEROTEL, CCBillEU, 2000Charge, or any other european billing processor, you simply don't have to pay the VISA fee. You are not allowed to pay this fee. They don't want the $750

You spoke of Verotel, there really a dead end the scrub is on pretty hard over there there bad news? my opinion it ran fine for a few weeks then all signups just stopped! they suck..
So does Jettis..

Verotel · 12-01-2003, 05:04 AM

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Originally posted by Bentley
And when do they sent first wire ? I've heard that they hold first payment and sent it after the second. Is it truth ?

See FAQ - http://www.verotel.com/cgi-bin/m07000.pl#question33

Also, the Verotel Service Agreement must be faxed and processed - account status "Authorized".

Verotel · 12-01-2003, 05:07 AM

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Originally posted by swingerman

you're probably right.
is it also the other way round?
i mean, i don't know if visa us rules apply to a european ipsp like verotel...
the question is: does visa international say that a european ipsp may only process for european clients?
anybody knows this for sure? i could only speculate...

Visa International and MasterCard Europe do not have the same cross-border regulation as Visa/MC US. Therefore we can process for EU AND US merchants/websites.

spooky181 · 12-01-2003, 05:43 AM

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Originally posted by Verotel
Visa International and MasterCard Europe do not have the same cross-border regulation as Visa/MC US. Therefore we can process for EU AND US merchants/websites.

I can vouch that Darryl and his team at Verotel are always there to help. Very professional and keen to take care of any probs that arise. Big thumbs up..

SENSEX · 12-01-2003, 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jive

You spoke of Verotel, there really a dead end the scrub is on pretty hard over there there bad news? my opinion it ran fine for a few weeks then all signups just stopped! they suck..
So does Jettis..

didnt stop here...

FATPad · 12-01-2003, 07:58 AM

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Originally posted by Verotel
Visa International and MasterCard Europe do not have the same cross-border regulation as Visa/MC US. Therefore we can process for EU AND US merchants/websites.

Hmmm....That makes no sense.

You're saying that everyone in the world could have avoided the VISA fees by going with Verotel?

Sounds like Globill's plan to me.

SENSEX · 12-01-2003, 08:03 AM

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Originally posted by FATPad
Hmmm....That makes no sense.

You're saying that everyone in the world could have avoided the VISA fees by going with Verotel?

Sounds like Globill's plan to me.

i think the difference is that Globill "moved" offshore to avoid the Visa fee's whereas Verotel is not U.S. based and never has been. Verotel is and always has been a EU corporation, and if my understanding is correct deal primarily with Asian and EU banks.
Either way nobody is safe, for a variety of reasons and PSW proved that.

advrice · 12-01-2003, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fabien
Got ass fucked by them

Dutchbilling too as matter of fact

Hi Marcel

What's wrong with Marcel? Him, Sam and PJ are the guys that reply with some info instead of the Ibill bullshit! Verotel rules, and with the new pricing they rule even more... no more chargeback fees!

Check them out!

xdcdave · 12-01-2003, 03:56 PM

It's funny how on a board where everyone shuns SexEducation for his CP bullshit, they are happy as hell to use a billing company that sells access to child porn.

God damn it, is everyone blind?! They process for 9 year old girl's "modeling" sites!

inthestars · 12-01-2003, 04:17 PM

Verotel has the 900 billing option. That works really great for people who don't have credit cards.

See my sig and sign up for Verotel. I have used them for three years.

Verotel · 12-04-2003, 06:08 AM

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Originally posted by FATPad
Hmmm....That makes no sense.

You're saying that everyone in the world could have avoided the VISA fees by going with Verotel?

Sounds like Globill's plan to me.

That's exactly what I'm saying but was also trying to be humble. However, for some webmasters it may not have exactly been the smart thing to do considering they would have lost ALLtheir rebills. Contrary to the common practice of other billing companies, Verotel won't import rebills because that usually turns out to be a chargeback nightmare. We do have our standards and we'd rather stay in business than just make a quick buck.

e-god · 12-04-2003, 06:44 AM

4 days a solid amount of traffic and 0 transactions with verotel.
Problems with bank gateway?
I was getting like 6-9 transactions a day and now ..0.

petepete · 12-04-2003, 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by spooky181

I can vouch that Darryl and his team at Verotel are always there to help. Very professional and keen to take care of any probs that arise. Big thumbs up..

Yes, Darryl is a very good guy!

And so far no problems with Verotel btw.

steffie · 12-04-2003, 07:34 AM

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Originally posted by Kevin2
I use Verotel on one of my pay sites and as a 2nd processor on the other 13 and they are great to deal with. When CCbill declines a customer I popup a verotel signup amd most times they get approved and I've never had a charge back with them

We have used Verotel for a very long time. We do the same thing, first CCbill, popup Verotel and offer their phone access. Never had a problem in 7 years (not yet, knocking loudly on hard wood)

11-26-2003, 01:57 PM	#1
Bentley Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 38	Verotel Vs Ibill I'm currently working with IBILL, but want to try Verotel. Any suggestions about Verotel ? Have you met problems working with them ?

11-26-2003, 02:18 PM	#2
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11-26-2003, 02:23 PM	#3
doober Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: in yoOoo kitchen Posts: 6,984	except they never answer emails....BUT they have live support and they answer the phone. Works for now

11-26-2003, 02:28 PM	#5
Veterans Day Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Windy City Posts: 8,403	if its that serious of a problem PICK UP THE DAMN PHONE, why trust a huge problem to an email, you guys crack me up. Verotel pays like clockwork

11-26-2003, 02:31 PM	#6
Alice22 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 907	Support is slow, but evetuthing else is fine.

11-26-2003, 02:45 PM	#9
Bentley Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 38	And when do they sent first wire ? I've heard that they hold first payment and sent it after the second. Is it truth ?

11-26-2003, 03:24 PM	#11
bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	verotel works for me

11-26-2003, 03:34 PM	#12
BukkakeBrown Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 734	If you get a good sales rep....iBill is money.

11-26-2003, 05:43 PM	#15
Jon Levi So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 210	go with PSW they are the shit

11-26-2003, 06:13 PM	#18
Fabien Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,787	Got ass fucked by them Dutchbilling too as matter of fact Hi Marcel

11-27-2003, 05:41 AM	#22
AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,601	iBill owe me thousands of dollars, Verotel owe me nothing. Therefore Verotel get my vote.

11-27-2003, 08:24 AM	#26
rabbit Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Montreal Posts: 2,124	correct me if i'm wroing, but verotel has loose standards as to the type of content that's allowed on their sites... considering the tightening of regulations, isn't dealing with verotel riskier than dealing with processors that are more strict on what type of sites they accept? just my 2c the rabbit __________________ Got a paysite? Get it reviewed by RabbitsReviews and TheBestPorn

11-27-2003, 08:40 AM	#27
conan Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: nut house Posts: 72	Verotel's representative took her time to call me on the phone to solve my problem with log in. After 3 years with iBill, No f...ing way you can expect a call from them to help you out with something. I closed my account with them, suddenly some weird stuff started to happen to my reserve money. Some chargebacks, refunds this and that. I doubt that I will ever see the full reserve amount __________________ psychiatrist will discuss your case over email for a fee

11-27-2003, 09:02 AM	#29
IanUK Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: UK Posts: 51	If you are from Europe be aware that iBill are currently withholding all reserves for the last few months - its the third time they have done this in as many months - and there's no end in sight. They also have the worst customer support in the industry. Verotel all the way ! But CCBill first

12-01-2003, 03:56 PM	#40
xdcdave Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: North East Posts: 1,911	It's funny how on a board where everyone shuns SexEducation for his CP bullshit, they are happy as hell to use a billing company that sells access to child porn. God damn it, is everyone blind?! They process for 9 year old girl's "modeling" sites! __________________

12-01-2003, 04:17 PM	#41
inthestars Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: California Posts: 2,021	Verotel has the 900 billing option. That works really great for people who don't have credit cards. See my sig and sign up for Verotel. I have used them for three years.

12-04-2003, 06:44 AM	#43
e-god Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: BabeLand Posts: 1,736	4 days a solid amount of traffic and 0 transactions with verotel. Problems with bank gateway? I was getting like 6-9 transactions a day and now ..0. __________________