WARNING Amateur money Cheats--Beware!

[dialerking.com]

I know this bbs is run by these guys but i want to get this point acrross.

A warning to all webmasters.

After promoting Amateur money on foxcounter and following all their rules, they now refuse to pay us anything. In fact we had over 5000 websites advertising their program.

We called Amateur money (adult.com) and spoke to a very
"Well trained" guy called Josh. The reason we say he is "well trained" is that he has an excuse for every way you approach this issue. He assured us that we are (foxcounter) a reputable program and Fox will be paid. So several weeks went by and we heard nothing. So we contacted him via icq.

Note how he starts calling us the cheat?s lol.

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ICQ History Log For:
126813938 [email protected]
Started on Thu Dec 04 12:43:04 2003
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hothits 26/11/20 3:52 PM hi bruce here from foxcounter.com can youlet
me know what is going on as discussed with you
on the phone with payment

josh@adult 27/11/20 3:53 AM Well everything is gonna work out as I said it
would...but I haven't been abale to talk to
lens to get the checks printed...everyon'es on
vacation...

hothits 27/11/20 9:38 AM ok

hothits 4/12/200 11:11 AM josh still waiting on an update of when i will
be paid

josh@adult 4/12/200 11:14 AM Ok...lets go ahead and do this now...gimme
your account # so I don't have to look for
it...I think the paperwork is in accounting.

hothits 4/12/200 11:15 AM 72093572

josh@adult 4/12/200 11:24 AM bear with me...

hothits 4/12/200 11:24 AM ok

josh@adult 4/12/200 11:33 AM OK, so what I'm going to try to do is this...
a. Get you a chunk of your money right off
the bat, as much as possible. To pay you the
full amount would be paying you $77 per join,
on a 9.95 join.
you were 12/30677.
b. Work out a way to get more of your traffic
in a mutual beneficial rate or manner.
c. formulate a way to allow you to regain the
remainder of what we don't pay outright.

josh@adult 4/12/200 11:33 AM What would you say is a good compromise for
the initial payment?

hothits 4/12/200 11:34 AM we require the full amount 6cents a click is
6cents a click

josh@adult 4/12/200 11:36 AM Well as I look at the traffic, the nature of
the manner in which it was sent has lead to us
getting 404 traffic, password traffic, non
adult, and a wide range of other unacceptable
traffic.

josh@adult 4/12/200 11:38 AM http://home1.gte.net/glendeas/java/s_tukusi.ht
l

hothits 4/12/200 11:39 AM the traffic was from foxcounter

josh@adult 4/12/200 11:39 AM http://www.nebraskacoeds.com/401err.htm

hothits 4/12/200 11:40 AM the traffic was coming from foxcounters gif
that appears on 5000 websites

josh@adult 4/12/200 11:40 AM http://home1.gte.net/glendeas/dolls.html

josh@adult 4/12/200 11:42 AM http://www.choppershed.com/main.html

5000 pages of which you have no control of the
content, the type of traffic, etc...
many of which violate multiple rules...
I'm not trying to rehash the old arguement
simply remind you that we came to an
understanding that there has to be a common
ground.

josh@adult 4/12/200 11:43 AM <http://www.chumash.net/xxxpasswords/>


hothits 4/12/200 11:43 AM yep and you told us you would get it sorted
and we will be paid


josh@adult 4/12/200 11:44 AM so you feel you should be paid regardless of
the traffic quality and the violtaion of our
terms of service?

hothits 4/12/200 11:45 AM there was no violation of terms. Just stop
avoiding the payout

josh@adult 4/12/200 11:45 AM That's were you are wrong...I'll pass all of
this along...its out of my hands...I'll be in
touch within the hour.

hothits 4/12/200 11:45 AM ok

josh@adult 4/12/200 11:49 AM oh and I made a mistake...paying you the full
amount would be paying you $150 a join.

hothits 4/12/200 11:50 AM diffrrent what you told me on the phone.

josh@adult 4/12/200 11:51 AM well work it out...12/30677

josh@adult 4/12/200 11:59 AM Since there's no inbetween here its over my
head...I'm gonna pass this on to Lensman. If
you would like to email him you can do so at
[email protected].

Otherwise he'll be in touch.

hothits 4/12/200 12:00 PM here we go with the excuses

hothits 4/12/200 12:00 PM just pay up

josh@adult 4/12/200 12:01 PM You BROKE THE FUCKING RULES!

hothits 4/12/200 12:02 PM did we ?? thats a great new excuse

josh@adult 4/12/200 12:02 PM I don't even want to talk to you. Email
lensman or wait for his reply...don't contact
me.

hothits 4/12/200 12:02 PM ok this will be going up an all boards

hothits 4/12/200 12:02 PM thieves

josh@adult 4/12/200 12:03 PM You broke our rules...find a board full of
cheaters and you'll do fine.

hothits 4/12/200 12:03 PM whatever-- lier

hothits 4/12/200 12:14 PM ok its going up on all boards

josh@adult 4/12/200 12:16 PM my ducks are in a row.

josh@adult 4/12/200 12:19 PM You gonna do me the courtesy of posting links
to the threads?

hothits 4/12/200 12:20 PM sure i bet your got your book of excuses
ready. You hve more to lose than us

josh@adult 4/12/200 12:20 PM All I have is facts...

hothits 4/12/200 12:22 PM the made up facts
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Also we took screen shots that clearly shows $$$ out standing, and the traffic rating as 3 star that is average. In fact sometimes it went to 4 star and that?s above average.

http://www.sexmansion.com/foxcheat/1.gif
http://www.sexmansion.com/foxcheat/2.gif
http://www.sexmansion.com/foxcheat/3.gif
http://www.sexmansion.com/foxcheat/4.gif


Josh you are very good at the excuses. We have the proof so just payup.


We will not advertise on Adult.com whilst this issue remains.
We do not recommend people use Amateur money as you will not be paid, going by our experience.


Avoid them!

[KaLi]

I dont even want to read that

[boneprone]

Are you racist?

[Naughty]

I didn't get paid either but for far less violation sthan you. Seems pretty clear to me you cannot server their pics as your countergif, or did I misread?

[cluck]

Were you sending clicks right from the counter image?

[dialerking.com]

yep straight from the counter image

[-=HOAX=-]

Tell me 2 things that all of these links have in common...

http://home1.gte.net/glendeas/dolls.html
http://asian.pornparks.com/asianumbe...indexpage1.htm
http://www.choppershed.com/
http://www.nebraskacoeds.com/401err.htm
http://www.ryders-passes.yi.org/forcedfantasy/tgp/
http://www.porno-sexe.be/nouvelle.htm
http://www.junglegame.com/gdate2/index.html
http://www.britneyspears-pics.net/br...r-pictures.htm
http://www.chumash.net/xxxpasswords/forums/
http://www.erosblog.com
http://www.bejba.com/
http://www.erotikaweb.hu/passwords/passwords.htm
http://bestiality.nichehost.net/kor1...-cum-dog-2.htm
http://www.victoriasilvstedt.us/vict...tedt-pics.html
http://www.lastpage.com/stateboards/tennessee/
http://www.hentai-series.net/
http://www.dragonballzvideo.com/messenger.htm

[Sly_RJ]

Don't be a queer. You clearly broke their rules. And even if you didn't, you clearly sent them shit traffic. Now Josh (I'm assuming it's HOAX) wants to work it out so you still get money, aren't canceled, and end up making even more money... yet you want to be a dick about it.

Ok...

[Naughty]

Originally posted by dialerking.com
yep straight from the counter image

ok, and you expected to get 6 cents per click from that?

[Triple 6]

dramaaaaaaaa

[cluck]

Changing/cropping an image is a violation. Sorry chief.

[ztik]

You guys are the ones who cheated

[KaLi]

I had a whole fucking paragraph to go after my post but I couldnt edit after 5 mins, lol.. Fucking shit, anyways this idiot broke the rules obviously and is whining because hes not getting paid. Shouldve followed the rules. And if you say you did, why not go re-read them.

[J.R.]

Anyone have Popcorn ?

[-=HOAX=-]

If someone could post a link to my reply above to all the boards bruce posts his drivel in I'll send you a new wardrobe of gfy shit. I got a dinner date.


Additionally, if you run the numbers...paying him in full would be paying $150 per join...and note my attempt to work a compromise.

[dialerking.com]

the image we use was this on our counter ...and 5000 webmasters will remember this

http://amateurmoney.com/linking/BANN...120x60-004.gif

[swedguy]

Isn't there a rule that says you can only send traffic from approved pics + textlink?

[boneprone]

Originally posted by swedguy
Isn't there a rule that says you can only send traffic from approved pics + textlink?

Yes....

ANd they are usually pics of women..

The question is, is this image one of the "Approved" of pics to send with??

http://amateurmoney.com/linking/BAN...s120x60-004.gif

I dont think it is.. But I could be wrong.

Last time I checked it was only pics, not these?

[-=HOAX=-]

Originally posted by swedguy
Isn't there a rule that says you can only send traffic from approved pics + textlink?

YEs and all banners must be accompanied by a text link.

OK, enough...hope you left enough rope to hang yourself with Bruce, my vietmanese food is waiting, wish my bunghole luck.


And to whomever wishes to take me up on the offer to post a simple link to my reply here you'll have all the newest gfy gear coming out your nose...

[Sly_RJ]

Originally posted by dialerking.com
the image we use was this on our counter ...and 5000 webmasters will remember this

http://amateurmoney.com/linking/BANN...120x60-004.gif

Isn't the 6 cent program the click-pic program?

[swedguy]

Originally posted by dialerking.com
the image we use was this on our counter ...and 5000 webmasters will remember this

http://amateurmoney.com/linking/BANN...120x60-004.gif

http://amateurmoney.com/clickpic-rules.html

1. Use the banners and pics exactly as shown. No text-only or pic-only links. No unreadable text - like blue text on a black background.

Seems like a pretty clear case to me.

[swedguy]

Originally posted by -=HOAX=-
my vietmanese food is waiting, wish my bunghole luck.

I would die for some Pho right now. Shit, now you made me hungry

[boneprone]

It looks like these are the only approved images to use to send traffic with..

http://www.hotlinkpics.com/current.htm

Am I correct?
Before I remember there were a lot more, but neverthess I dont see the button he was using to send traffic listed anywhere..

Am I missing something?

[Minte]

Over the years,i've found the group at AP to be very helpful and professional.I've spoken with Josh more than once on the phone,and he has always given me the answers i was looking for.
AP

[-=HOAX=-]

The real issue here is that a simple phone call or email about his intent to send traffic could have not only avoided this, but made him more money...and additionally, I was willing to work with him...now FOXCOUNTER GETS NOTHING.

Sorry it had to be this way, but you made your bed.

[dialerking.com]

thier banner farm has that gif for that program.

Enough said

[swedguy]

Originally posted by boneprone
It looks like these are the only approved images to use to send traffic with..

http://amateurmoney.com/linking/BannerFarm.html

[boneprone]

Originally posted by dialerking.com
thier banner farm has that gif for that program.

Enough said

can you post that url?

I dont see it.

[dialerking.com]

Bannerfarm
"If you're used to using banners, you'll love these. All say "FREE NUDE PICS" for superior banner pull. There are dozens of banners to choose from. Don't forget to use a correct text link with each banner placement.
Use with the Click-Pic or Partner Program."



http://amateurmoney.com/linking/listings.html

[swedguy]

Originally posted by dialerking.com
thier banner farm has that gif for that program.

Enough said

Dude, you broke rule 1 and 2.

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1. Use the banners and pics exactly as shown. No text-only or pic-only links. No unreadable text - like blue text on a black background.

2. Adult sites only. Adult sites contain mostly nudity (not humor, stories, etc). No non-adult freehosted sites like Geocities, etc.
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Some of the pages shown above with a foxcounter was not adult sites and you didn't have a text link attached to the banner.

[Naughty]

Originally posted by dialerking.com
thier banner farm has that gif for that program.

Enough said

I feel your pain, believe me I do and it is more than ayear ago they decided to keep my money for 7 months worth of HONEST clicks, but that button is most likely for the % program, not the PPC

[Juicy D. Links]

http://www.bejba.com/


Hmmmm this URL is the biggest fucking hitbotter

[swedguy]

If forgot that you broke #8 too.

[Lensman]

Thanks for admiitting you broke the rules:

Originally posted by dialerking.com
Bannerfarm
Don't forget to use a correct text link with each banner placement.


http://amateurmoney.com/linking/listings.html

[swedguy]

AND #9.

Are you sure you wanna continue your crusade?

[dialerking.com]

Originally posted by Lensman
Thanks for admiitting you broke the rules:

Hey lensman,
your program links to that bannerfarm . Stop making excuses and just payup.

[Lensman]

Don't forget #10, having the link on a 404 page.

There are only 10 rules for the program, he broke at least 5 of them.

The funny thing is that Hoax wanted to still partially pay the guy, and he refused.

[foolio]

Originally posted by Lensman
Thanks for admiitting you broke the rules:

*boom*

And God has spoken....

(now can I get the 12 cents you owe me!?!?!? )

[dialerking.com]

every excuse under the sun. Well you lose more than us.
We will never advertise on your over priced Gfy board again.

that includes all bg media stuff...(you know most of our programs)

[Babaganoosh]

Dang, looks like numbnuts posted this to PC and AWI also.

[chodadog]

Holy shit. This is hilarious, and you are a retard. Just take a look at the conversions. $150 per signup. HAHAHAHAH! You honestly expect them to pay you that, when you've broken so many of their rules? If your counter image appeared on password sites, non-adult pages, 404 pages, then you have broken their rules.

Josh was actually offering you some compesantion, despite the fact that you were basically ripping them off. If i were you, i'd have taken that money and run. If i were them, i wouldn't have even considered paying you. Goddamn shit for brains.

[swedguy]

Originally posted by dialerking.com
every excuse under the sun.

What don't I understand here?

It has been proven here that you broke 5 rules. So why should they pay you?

[dialerking.com]

I really wish other webmasters would reframe from posting here as i posted this to warn others.

I didnt ask for comments. Nor comments from the lensman ass kissing company.
Just posted this to warn others. Since then i have been icq by many that have gone through smiliar things with this lensman program.

[Juicy D. Links]

Originally posted by dialerking.com
I really wish other webmasters would reframe from posting here as i posted this to warn others.

I didnt ask for comments. Nor comments from the lensman ass kissing company.
Just posted this to warn others. Since then i have been icq by many that have gone through smiliar things with this lensman program.

follow the rules you get paid , break em you dont easy to understand

[swedguy]

Originally posted by dialerking.com
I really wish other webmasters would reframe from posting here as i posted this to warn others.

Warn other webmasters that they don't pay cheaters?

You sure have a good heart

[funkmaster]

Originally posted by dialerking.com
I really wish other webmasters would reframe from posting here as i posted this to warn others.

I didnt ask for comments. Nor comments from the lensman ass kissing company.
Just posted this to warn others. Since then i have been icq by many that have gone through smiliar things with this lensman program.

... this actually made me laugh out load !!

[funkmaster]

Originally posted by juicylinks


follow the rules you get paid , break em you dont easy to understand

... not easy to everyone, especially the ones that publicly admit that they have broken the rules.

[Hue G. Pness]

Originally posted by dialerking.com
I really wish other webmasters would reframe from posting here

This is a message forum not a one way rant billboard. If you didn't expect responses then you should not have posted. Oh and in case some didn't alreay mention this it looks like you broke the rules.

[Pete]

You broke the rules, its as easy as that.

[funkmaster]

50 caught cheaters ... and a beaten swedguy !!