Why Are Americans Such Morons?

[Rich]

I understand that you have a lot of trailer park hicks who see Bush waiving American flags and are so stupid that they just buy into whatever he's saying, but certainly there must be a majority who can still somewhat think for themselves, right? A slight minority even? No?

How can you people stand by while some cowboy you didn't elect in the first place and his dad's super rich pals destroy every aspect of your country? I'm no bleeding heart, I usually vote conservative up here in Canada, but being a conservative and supporting anyone who calls himself that blindly are two different things. I mean what do you retarded Bush supporters have to say about his ridiculous spending? How can you possible justify mortgaging your countries future so Dick Cheney's stock portfolio rises a couple points?

If this shit happened in Canada or almost anywhere else in the civilized world, there would be huge riots, no question. Have you guys all really been dumb'd down so much over the years that you'd rather watch reality TV than think about the fact that your county is going to be owned by the international banks before you're dead? It's amazing to me that a country of almost 300 million people are standing by watching this asshole ruin them. That's it, I'm done ranting for today, maybe when I come back America will have woken up. I won't hold my breath.





Snowballing Debt Awaits Tomorrow's Taxpayers

http://www.latimes.com/la-na-outlook...2367031.column

Seniors with big prescription drug bills, health maintenance organizations awaiting lucrative new subsidies, upper-middle-class families anticipating a fat tax refund, and Iraqi cities expecting new schools or hospitals all have reason to be thankful about President Bush's extraordinary success at pushing his agenda through the Republican-controlled Congress this year.

There may be less celebration among the young people who will inherit the tab for these initiatives. Bush is funding every penny of every one of these goodies by increasing the national debt. Which is another way of saying that he's sticking the bill to the next generation.

The scale of the transfer is dizzying.

In just the last few months, Congress, at Bush's request, has doled out $87 billion to rebuild and secure Iraq and Afghanistan; approved a $401-billion defense appropriation bill, the largest ever; completed a $1-trillion tax cut on top of the $1.35-trillion reduction the president won in 2001; and approved a Medicare prescription drug benefit that will cost at least $400 billion over the next decade, probably more. If the energy bill is revived next year, add to the list at least another $26 billion in tax cuts for energy companies.

All of this, it's worth remembering, comes when the federal government already faces its largest deficit ever ? some $374 billion last year, $84 billion more than the previous record held by Bush's father, George H.W. Bush.

Several reliable analysts project the federal deficit will soar past $500 billion this year ? and then remain near that unprecedented level for the indefinite future, even if the economy recovers. It's an understatement to conclude, as the Goldman Sachs investment bank did in a recent report, that the budget process in Washington is "out of control."

Project this forward a few years and the fiscal strain on future taxpayers could become excruciating. By 2012, Bush's tax cuts would reduce federal revenue by almost $400 billion a year, according to calculations by Peter Orszag of the Brookings Institution.

Even without the new prescription drug benefit, the swelling number of seniors and the rising cost of care would push the annual bill for Medicare past $500 billion by then, according to the Congressional Budget Office. The drug subsidy for seniors would add at least another $65 billion to the tab. The CBO says that by 2012, defense spending would approach $600 billion annually ? a number other analysts say understates the price tag for Bush's long-term national security plans.

Then comes the final indignity for tomorrow's taxpayers: huge interest payments on the debt the government is accumulating to finance this binge. When Bush took office, the CBO estimated Washington was on track to eliminate the publicly held federal debt by 2008. That meant federal interest payments on the debt, which were running about $200 billion a year when Bush arrived, were expected to dwindle to virtually nothing by the end of this decade.

Now, though, the latest estimates are that amid the economic slowdown of the last two years, and all the new spending and tax cuts Bush has pursued, the federal debt could soar to at least $7 trillion by decade's end. That means future taxpayers will have to pay at least $350 billion a year to service that debt, precisely as they are shouldering big bills for homeland security, defense and retiring the baby boom.

To call this behavior a breakdown of fiscal responsibility misses its true nature. This is a stunning abandonment of generational responsibility. Washington is behaving like a father who steals his kid's credit card and goes on a bender.

Individually, America's parents make sacrifices every day to provide opportunities for their children; but collectively, the nation is now pursuing precisely the opposite course ? indulging itself even at the price of reducing opportunity for its children.

Is anyone speaking for the next generation? At the national level, Democrats have condemned Bush's deficits and highlighted the costs of his tax cut. But they've undercut their credibility by repeatedly demanding more spending on their favorite causes; it's telling that the principal criticism from Democrats about the new Medicare bill is that it doesn't spend enough to subsidize drugs for seniors.

Most Republicans are apparently hoping they can make these deficits disappear by ignoring or discounting them; the noble exceptions are a handful of true fiscal conservatives like Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Charles Hagel (R-Neb.). "There is a larger point to all of this," Hagel lamented after the Senate approved the Medicare bill last week. "Who is looking out for the future of the country?"

It's unrealistic to expect too many legislators to take that long view. Budget discipline is as much an unnatural act for Congress as refusing campaign contributions; for legislators, the long run is always the next election. Only a determined president can prevent Washington from spending more than it is willing to collect in taxes. But Bush has led the U-turn from the policies that produced surpluses for the three years immediately before he arrived.

The best case against Bush's budget policies comes from the arguments he's made for his national security strategy. Bush often defends his vision of preemptive defense by insisting America must confront tough problems now so future generations won't face them down the road. Yet in his budget, Bush is creating enormous problems for future generations by avoiding tough choices today.

By slashing taxes while he increases spending, Bush is governing as if he is in the Matrix, where the laws of gravity don't apply. But here in the real world, what goes up still comes down, which means kids too young to protest today will pay dearly tomorrow for the massive debts Bush is charging to their future.

Where's Andrew Jackson when you need him?

[Joe Citizen]

Why do you hate America?

You're just jealous!

[detoxed]

I think the difference between United States and other countries is that we dont give a fuck.

[KingK7]

Cliff notes?

[sherie]

Why must you direct that at ALL Americans??

[stocktrader23]

I resent that. I know lots of trailer folk who hate his guts too.

So who the fuck voted for this freak aside from the handful of porn webmasters that missed the memo that Bush wanted them in jail?

[The Truth Hurts]

isn't there a hockey game you could be watching?

[kmanrox]

Originally posted by KingK7
Cliff notes?

amen PF... i ain't reading all that shit... i have meaningless posts to make or i dont feel complete...

[Rich]

Originally posted by Joe Citizen
Why do you hate America?

You're just jealous!

Hating Bush and hating America are two TOTALLY different things. I love America, and I HATE the fact that Bush is ruing it. If you can't tell the difference between supporting a country and supporting it's un-elected leader, I'm done talking to you.

[The Truth Hurts]

Originally posted by stocktrader23
I resent that. I know lots of trailer folk who hate his guts too.

So who the fuck voted for this freak aside from the handful of porn webmasters that missed the memo that Bush wanted them in jail?

Gore would've been worse for porn than Bush.
Most people are just too fucking blind to realize it.

[Rich]

Originally posted by KingK7
Cliff notes?

That about sums it up, doesn't it? Go back to watching Fox news pal, if you can't read 500 words about your countries financial state then you're a lost cause.

[frippeno]

Originally posted by detoxed
I think the difference between United States and other countries is that we dont give a fuck.

Very close. Americans are way too comfortable and they don't see the need to bother with messy shit like politics.

When the economy collapses (1-5 years) that will all change. But then it will be too late to matter much.

Generations ago, there was a Great Depression. It colored the outlook of our parents for the rest of their lives. But most Americans have never lived thru a hard time. Bush* will fix that!

Get into cash, gold or silver folks

[Rich]

Originally posted by sherie
Why must you direct that at ALL Americans??

What have you done to free your country today?

[boneprone]

Vote Sharpton 04!!!

[stocktrader23]

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts


Gore would've been worse for porn than Bush.
Most people are just too fucking blind to realize it.

Yea cause Tipper hated it. What woman doesn't have their own stupid agenda? So how exactly can you get WORSE than Bush?

[sperbonzo]

Here we go again......


I guess that the rest of the world is just so perfect that they have too much free time, so they just spend all their time talking about the U.S.

Doesn't it get boring? There are other places in the world you know. If Canada has solved all of it's problems so you don't have anything to do....take up a hobby or something

[Rich]

Originally posted by stocktrader23

So who the fuck voted for this freak aside from the handful of porn webmasters that missed the memo that Bush wanted them in jail?

That's a good question, but people who voted fot him in '00 couldn't predict he'd do this much damage in 4 years. IMO the better question is, who will vote for him next time?

[BluntMatch]

Tired of this election crap. Why don't we elect 1 democrat, and 1 republican, what is politics trying to prove ? who hired best laywer, to say speeches? shit!

[BigPinPin]

America is a great country....bush is just stupid...thats all

[Joe Citizen]

Originally posted by Rich


Hating Bush and hating America are two TOTALLY different things. I love America, and I HATE the fact that Bush is ruing it. If you can't tell the difference between supporting a country and supporting it's un-elected leader, I'm done talking to you.

I was being sarcastic.

[Rich]

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts


Gore would've been worse for porn than Bush.
Most people are just too fucking blind to realize it.

Good point, backed up by so many facts. Give me an hour while I go through the points you've made in this thread and I'll get back to you.

[Rich]

Originally posted by boneprone
Vote Sharpton 04!!!

[sherie]

Originally posted by Rich


What have you done to free your country today?

I'm thinking that Canada is doing ok without me having to help free it, smart ass!

"If this shit happened in Canada or almost anywhere else in the civilized world, there would be huge riots, no question." and what ghetto do you live in where you think this would happen??

[KingK7]

Originally posted by Rich


That about sums it up, doesn't it? Go back to watching Fox news pal, if you can't read 500 words about your countries financial state then you're a lost cause.

My country's financial state is flawless, I am norwegian.

[Rich]

Originally posted by Joe Citizen


I was being sarcastic.

Hard to tell since I don't know you, a llot of people do think that way, unbelievably. "You're with us or against us!"

[Rich]

Originally posted by KingK7


My country's financial state is flawless, I am norwegian.

Congratulations, then get the fuck out of my thread if you're too lazy to read it.

[rooster]

the socialistic ideology of canada and europe is poisen. We dont want it.


You dont hate Bush, you hate capitalism, ambition, and duty. The things America was built on.

[Rich]

Originally posted by BigPinPin
America is a great country....bush is just stupid...thats all

That about sums it up. The question is, are the people smart enough to realize this and get rid of him? I doubt it.

[MetaMan]

Originally posted by Joe Citizen


I was being sarcastic.

STFU u stupid aussie newbie.

[rooster]

the true stupid people are like you Rich, who think republicans are big meanies and democrats are saint like robin hoods.


All politicians are about $$$, but at least with a republican its pretty straightforward (big oil, defense, etc). With the left its much more dubious.

[CDSmith]

When asked "Mr. President, what is your long-term plan for dealing with the massive debt America has incurred since 9/11?", what is Bush's answer?



And.... what is it about this Sharpton guy that makes him the candidate of choice?



'splain me.

[Rich]

Originally posted by sherie
I'm thinking that Canada is doing ok without me having to help free it, smart ass!

yeah I should have known that, call me Miss Cleo. Anyway the point I made was, this is directed at all Americans because all of them are letting this happen.

Originally posted by sherie
"If this shit happened in Canada or almost anywhere else in the civilized world, there would be huge riots, no question." and what ghetto do you live in where you think this would happen??

Umm I live in a neighborhood called Tuexedo in Winnipeg, want to bet who's house costs more, mine or yours? You're welcome to stop by and check out my new wet bar.

Anyway, if some asshole took over as Prime Minister and completely ran our country into the ground; mortgaged our future to the international bankers, launched first strike invasions on other countries that posed no immediate thread to us (and lied about it), put 2 million people out of work, etc, etc, etc, not only would there be riots, there would be a full blown revolution. Are you too fucking stupid to realize that?

FOR THE RECORD EVERYONE, I DIDN'T SAY ALL CANADIANS HAD BRAINS EITHER.

[atomic2500]

You can't argue with capitalism.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Real Ameicans are not in power.

The NeoCons are.

[Rich]

Originally posted by rooster
the socialistic ideology of canada and europe is poisen. We dont want it.


You dont hate Bush, you hate capitalism, ambition, and duty. The things America was built on.

hahahahahaha, so would you say it's IMPOSSIBLE to hate Bush without hating capitalism, ambition, and duty?



Wow, you are truley a prime example, I love it!

[woodman]

an article from the LA Times is your proof of the imminent demise of the US? Have you ever read the Times? That's the same as posting an article from the National Review and using it as the basis that the Clinton was nothing but a criminal.

The truth is somewhere in between but depending on the source you get only one version.

[Rich]

Originally posted by rooster
the true stupid people are like you Rich, who think republicans are big meanies and democrats are saint like robin hoods.


All politicians are about $$$, but at least with a republican its pretty straightforward (big oil, defense, etc). With the left its much more dubious.

lol, I'm a conservative, and I said so in this thread. Only true retards actually believe that's you have to support your side NO MATTER WHAT. I'm so glad you came to this thread, you're such a fucking joke.

[Rich]

Originally posted by woodman
an article from the LA Times is your proof of the imminent demise of the US? Have you ever read the Times? That's the same as posting an article from the National Review and using it as the basis that the Clinton was nothing but a criminal.

The truth is somewhere in between but depending on the source you get only one version.

I really hope you don't ready anything in the media and take it as fact. All the numbers in that article are accurate. It's not like I read that this morning and suddenly realize what's going on, I've been saying it for months and IT'S OBVIOUS. That article just helps me get my point across.

[sherie]

Originally posted by Rich
...FOR THE RECORD EVERYONE, I DIDN'T SAY ALL CANADIANS HAD BRAINS EITHER.

Yes and you are living proof of it. Your an idiot.

Who's house is more? Please, is this one of those 'I bet my dad can beat up your dad?' deal.

FYI I live in a 500K home in downtown Toronto, that home would probably triple in cost out there in winterpeg.

I was just wondering where you lived that you thought that riots would ensue...that would make us better? Quit spouting your piehole if you don't like what anyone else has to say.

And FYI dumbass, I never said I supported Bush, I was just wondering why you called all American's moron's.

[KingK7]

Originally posted by Rich


Congratulations, then get the fuck out of my thread if you're too lazy to read it.

Thanks, I'll hang around though, just to piss you off

[Rich]

THIS IS FUCKING AWESOME. All these Bush supporters on this board and not one has any kind of a real argument about what Bush is doing here. The best we've heard so far is rooster saying that I hate capitalism. Most of you didn't realize that ALMOST HALF YOUR TAX DOLLARS go to paying interest on the national dept, did ya? It's only going to increase the way things are going.

[davidd]

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts


Gore would've been worse for porn than Bush.
Most people are just too fucking blind to realize it.

You are correct on this point. I was alive and conscious during Tipper's PMRC days, and this was a valuable lesson on Democratic wives.

The one thing people forget is that Republican Presidents do NOT let their wives get involved with their job. Name me one Democratic President who's wife wasn't up in their shit. Their husbands got elected, they didn't! I think it is difficult for them to understand that.

Laura Bush does charitable work, and fights for children's rights etc.

Hillary Clinton, this goes without saying, but she had her health care plan (socialism at its finest), she was behind much of the WhiteHouse for hire, and the list goes on.

Barbara Bush focused on literacy, and looking close to death. She did it well.

Nancy Reagan had her "Just Say No' campaign, but stayed out of the big game of the Cold War. Hell the woman was on Different Strokes, she must be cool.

Rosalyn Carter was up in Jimmy's shit all the time, she made it her duty to attend Cabinet meetings, and constantly be up Jimmy's ass. Additionally, was trying to push religion on Larry Flynt.

Betty Ford - The name says it all.

Pat Nixon - Charities and volunteering

Lady Bird - Helped push more soldiers to their death in Vietnam.

Jackie Kennedy - Stayed the hell out of JFK's affairs both political and private. She picked up JFK's brains after he was shot. Now that is a first lady.

So in the past 40 years, the democrats have had one cool First Lady. Tipper would have been ruthless to the internet. Does anyone not remember Bob Denver's testimony to Congress (Al Gore chairing)?

If Al would prop his wife up when he was merely a senator, what would he have done if he was president. Lieberman and his wife were also about family values and the decay of the Western World. It would have been a two prong slaughter.

[KingK7]

Originally posted by Rich


lol, I'm a conservative, and I said so in this thread. Only true retards actually believe that's you have to support your side NO MATTER WHAT. I'm so glad you came to this thread, you're such a fucking joke.

Chill out

[Rich]

Originally posted by atomic2500
You can't argue with capitalism.

The point of capitalism is to build up the richest nation ever and then give it away to the international banks in the name of making a few politicians rich and pushing their crazy Christian agenda? Wow, maybe I don't like Capitalism after all.




















(I can't wait until someone quotes only the last sentence of this paragraph and tries to use it out of context. Nothing beats pure ignorance. rooster? Where are ya.)

[KingK7]

Originally posted by Rich

I don't like Capitalism after all.

[woodman]

Originally posted by Rich


I really hope you don't ready anything in the media and take it as fact. All the numbers in that article are accurate. It's not like I read that this morning and suddenly realize what's going on, I've been saying it for months and IT'S OBVIOUS. That article just helps me get my point across.

Obviously I don't , hence my point in the post. But if I wanted to play devils advocate and point to signs of the strength and recovery of the US economy I could point to articles like this:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...elintwodecades

http://www.boston.com/business/globe...omic_strength/

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...my_survey_dc_2

[Rich]

Originally posted by sherie
Yes and you are living proof of it. Your an idiot.

Good point.

Originally posted by sherie

Who's house is more? Please, is this one of those 'I bet my dad can beat up your dad?' deal.

Nope, it's more of a "you asked if I lived in a ghetto and I told you I didn't" deal. Moron.

Originally posted by sherie

FYI I live in a 500K home in downtown Toronto, that home would probably triple in cost out there in winterpeg.

Actually no, it wouldn't "triple in cost out here", it would cost three times less. The house I had in downtown Vancouver was about 5 times more expensive and half the size of my current one.

Originally posted by sherie

I was just wondering where you lived that you thought that riots would ensue...that would make us better? Quit spouting your piehole if you don't like what anyone else has to say.

Like I said above, not only riots, a revolution. Everywhere.

Of coarse it would never get that far up here, the PM doesn't have that kind of power and our politicians are actually help somewhat responsible for things.

[axelcat]

GO USA

[nap]

i'm not going to read what you wrote because you come off as jealous? the real question you should be asking YOURSELF is why do you give a fuck what americans think/feel? do you think that we really give a fuck where you are from? Bush is a moron(i'm pretty sure your post had something to do with bush) but he is our fucking president right now so YES WE WILL SUPPORT him. if you don't like it add your fucking country to the axis of evil and wait in line. oh yea and if your fucking dollar is suffering because of the american economy than you might want to look down at your legs and see who is really wearing the fucking pants

[Rich]

Originally posted by woodman


Obviously I don't , hence my point in the post. But if I wanted to play devils advocate and point to signs of the strength and recovery of the US economy I could point to articles like this:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...elintwodecades

http://www.boston.com/business/globe...omic_strength/

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...my_survey_dc_2

So how much of a surplus are you expecting next year? How about 5 years from now? 10?