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GoGoBar · 11-30-2003, 12:52 PM

Does anyone offer this?

Would anyone be interested in this?

By cheap I mean like $10/mo

Oracle Porn · 11-30-2003, 12:59 PM

why would you want to get $5/month for a sale?

GoGoBar · 11-30-2003, 01:00 PM

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Originally posted by Oracle Porn
why would you want to get $5/month for a sale?

Right now they pay out maybe $20 per month. What if they could be had @ 65% recurring (6.50/mo) with no consoles or other crap. Keep in mind retension can approach many months on a site like that. Would only take 3 months to approach the per signup payout level and you would be able to have very clean promotion.

EscortBiz · 11-30-2003, 01:03 PM

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Originally posted by GoGoBar

Right now they pay out maybe $20 per month. What if they could be had @ 65% recurring (6.50/mo) with no consoles or other crap. Keep in mind retension can approach many months on a site like that. Would only take 3 months to approach the per signup payout level and you would be able to have very clean promotion.

rentention has nothing to do with the monthly fee

Sly_RJ · 11-30-2003, 01:09 PM

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Originally posted by EscortBiz

rentention has nothing to do with the monthly fee

I've heard this from just about every person I've talked to on the subject.

GoGoBar · 11-30-2003, 01:09 PM

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Originally posted by EscortBiz

rentention has nothing to do with the monthly fee

That's 1998 thinking.

Try making a $5 trial with a $199 monthly fee. See where your retention goes. Or try a $2 per month site and see how retention is.

And it won't be black and white (meaning the two extremes). It's a smooth transition.

Trust me, it DOES have an effect

silentkey · 11-30-2003, 01:12 PM

That's the way to do it.

EscortBiz · 11-30-2003, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GoGoBar

That's 1998 thinking.

Try making a $5 trial with a $199 monthly fee. See where your retention goes. Or try a $2 per month site and see how retention is.

And it won't be black and white (meaning the two extremes). It's a smooth transition.

Trust me, it DOES have an effect

how can you compare 199 monthly fee whos talking about 199

I know facts, I had all my membership fees set at 24.95 now its at 29.95 there is no difference in retention. Same goes to those who joined at 18.95

What makes a big difference is UPDATES and REAL updates but again most dont want to hear that because updates cost money.

Sly_RJ · 11-30-2003, 01:15 PM

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Originally posted by EscortBiz

how can you compare 199 monthly fee whos talking about 199

I know facts, I had all my membership fees set at 24.95 now its at 29.95 there is no difference in retention. Same goes to those who joined at 18.95

What makes a big difference is UPDATES and REAL updates but again most dont want to hear that because updates cost money.

Have you tried something as low as $5? $10?

GoGoBar · 11-30-2003, 01:16 PM

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Originally posted by EscortBiz

how can you compare 199 monthly fee whos talking about 199

I know facts, I had all my membership fees set at 24.95 now its at 29.95 there is no difference in retention. Same goes to those who joined at 18.95

What makes a big difference is UPDATES and REAL updates but again most dont want to hear that because updates cost money.

Read the next line, I said i'm not just talking about the two extremes. And we've all done our own research and number collecting. Most people in this business like to mimick (not saying you). They take what they see, figure it works and go with it. Times are changing in this business, as many people know, and it calls for new approaches. Surfers just aren't too keen on buying $39.95/mo memberships anymore. They've been fucked before and they know to read the terms of the membership. And the billers (unless you have some sweetheart deal) are very forward about how the charge will recurr. You're not dealing with the mindless credit card holding surfer you were dealing with 7 years ago.

EscortBiz · 11-30-2003, 01:21 PM

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Originally posted by GoGoBar

Read the next line, I said i'm not just talking about the two extremes. And we've all done our own research and number collecting. Most people in this business like to mimick (not saying you). They take what they see, figure it works and go with it. Times are changing in this business, as many people know, and it calls for new approaches. Surfers just aren't too keen on buying $39.95/mo memberships anymore. They've been fucked before and they know to read the terms of the membership. And the billers (unless you have some sweetheart deal) are very forward about how the charge will recurr. You're not dealing with the mindless credit card holding surfer you were dealing with 7 years ago.

I am the last person who does what everyone else does! Almost all my sites are unique.

Never tried to go at 10 bucks but know for a fact not from research but FACT that updates is the key to retention.

Sosa · 11-30-2003, 01:27 PM

I think if a surfer wants to sign up too a site/program that they are really intrested in, price won't matter whether it is $10 or $30. They want too see it right then and they will pay the $30. I have no problem converting a site that sells at $30/month right now.

Would I have more sales if it was only $10? Don't know but I like it at $30 if I can sell for it for $30.

GoGoBar · 11-30-2003, 01:29 PM

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Originally posted by EscortBiz

I am the last person who does what everyone else does! Almost all my sites are unique.

Never tried to go at 10 bucks but know for a fact not from research but FACT that updates is the key to retention.

You keep not reading what I write, I specifically said NOT you

And I agree, the most important thing for retention IS updates, but it is not the ONLY factor.

GoGoBar · 11-30-2003, 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by Sosa
I think if a surfer wants to sign up too a site/program that they are really intrested in, price won't matter whether it is $10 or $30. They want too see it right then and they will pay the $30. I have no problem converting a site that sells at $30/month right now.

Would I have more sales if it was only $10? Don't know but I like it at $30 if I can sell for it for $30.

I would guess you prefer per signup programs anyway

JizzmanPDX · 11-30-2003, 01:57 PM

BrentD · 11-30-2003, 10:33 PM

$5 x 200:300 sales = nice profit

$45 x 2:300 sales = not so nice sales

It would depend on retention rates and conversion rates of course

- AFN - · 11-30-2003, 10:57 PM

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Originally posted by GoGoBar

I would guess you prefer per signup programs anyway

Exactly!

Sosa · 11-30-2003, 11:13 PM

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Originally posted by GoGoBar

I would guess you prefer per signup programs anyway

Actually I don't promote any PPS programs. What I'm promoting right now is doing great rentention and still charging $20-$30 for sufer to signup. Rebills are great

Nima · 11-30-2003, 11:46 PM

I doubt it would make a big difference by charging less

Madball · 12-01-2003, 12:33 AM

If a hooker lowers her price from $500 to $5 per session, will she get 100 times more customers?

Here's the grand qustion: Which Price-Elasticity matches *YOUR* program?

nige · 12-01-2003, 01:12 AM

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Originally posted by GoGoBar
Does anyone offer this?

Take a look at Perfecto Dollars.
And their support rocks.

wimpy · 12-02-2003, 02:43 PM

Escort and GoGo are both right. Price does have an effect, but it's not that huge. Once they pull out the wallet it's more about whether they are educated surfers than the price.

Price does have a huge effect of chargebacks. Low rates make chargeback not worth the time, so cb ratio drops. If you're pushing the ratio, drop your price.

Mr Pheer · 12-02-2003, 02:53 PM

I sale 9dollarporn.com
and 9dollarteens, etc

Dugan · 12-02-2003, 02:55 PM

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Originally posted by EscortBiz

rentention has nothing to do with the monthly fee

nothing????

DatingGold · 12-03-2003, 04:03 AM

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Originally posted by EscortBiz

rentention has nothing to do with the monthly fee

I agree

DatingGold · 12-03-2003, 04:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by EscortBiz

how can you compare 199 monthly fee whos talking about 199

I know facts, I had all my membership fees set at 24.95 now its at 29.95 there is no difference in retention. Same goes to those who joined at 18.95

What makes a big difference is UPDATES and REAL updates but again most dont want to hear that because updates cost money.

yeah rates have to be within reason. but if they will pay $14.95 for a site, they'll pay $29.95 makes no difference.

chodadog · 12-03-2003, 05:26 AM

I don't run paysites, but it's something i do want to get into in the future. I agree with EB though. To me, it just makes more sense. Updates are what is going to keep the surfer coming back. People want good original porn, and they will pay for it. I believe your pricing has to be competitive, but certainly not as low as 10 dollars per month.

What i want to know is this. What is considered ideal in terms of updates? Weekly? Daily? Obviously it reaches a point where memeber retention will max out, or when more updates will have a negligible effect on updates. What i want to know is.. when do you believe that point is reached? Weekly seems to be pretty popular on exclusive content sites. Would daily have a big impact on retention, or would the extra retention (if any) not be enough to make up for the cost of daily updates.

I guess it would differ from site to site.. but anyways. Thoughts?

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wimpy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Cali Posts: 607	Escort and GoGo are both right. Price does have an effect, but it's not that huge. Once they pull out the wallet it's more about whether they are educated surfers than the price. Price does have a huge effect of chargebacks. Low rates make chargeback not worth the time, so cb ratio drops. If you're pushing the ratio, drop your price. __________________ Fyodor Dostoyevsky wrote: "Every man has reminiscences which he would not tell to everyone but only his friends. He has other matters in his mind which he would not reveal even to his friends, but only to himself, and that in secret. But there are other things which a man is afraid to tell even to himself, and every decent man has a number of such things stored away in his mind." icq 8243657

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silentkey So Fucking Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: .Freedom. Posts: 452	That's the way to do it.

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Sosa In Tushy Land Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 40,149	I think if a surfer wants to sign up too a site/program that they are really intrested in, price won't matter whether it is $10 or $30. They want too see it right then and they will pay the $30. I have no problem converting a site that sells at $30/month right now. Would I have more sales if it was only $10? Don't know but I like it at $30 if I can sell for it for $30.

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Nima Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,192	I doubt it would make a big difference by charging less

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chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	I don't run paysites, but it's something i do want to get into in the future. I agree with EB though. To me, it just makes more sense. Updates are what is going to keep the surfer coming back. People want good original porn, and they will pay for it. I believe your pricing has to be competitive, but certainly not as low as 10 dollars per month. What i want to know is this. What is considered ideal in terms of updates? Weekly? Daily? Obviously it reaches a point where memeber retention will max out, or when more updates will have a negligible effect on updates. What i want to know is.. when do you believe that point is reached? Weekly seems to be pretty popular on exclusive content sites. Would daily have a big impact on retention, or would the extra retention (if any) not be enough to make up for the cost of daily updates. I guess it would differ from site to site.. but anyways. Thoughts? __________________ 26 + 6 = 1