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Serge_Oprano 12-02-2003 08:00 PM

Smockey, what were you banned for yesterday?

tranza 12-02-2003 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Smokey The BearČ


I said dont close the main window before you close the applet window, You have to go back to the page that triggered the popup and click inside the applet and press a key on your keyboard and it will close the popup

Ah... ok..... so the regular surfer would never be able to close this window.... right???

Smokey The BearČ 12-02-2003 08:01 PM

BTW i found the wickedest flaw in GFY yet today :) I bet if someone unleashed it , it could cripple a board.

If anyone runs the same version of this board. You should get me to contact you.

Rorschach 12-02-2003 08:03 PM

None of those work with Slackware 9.1 and Opera 7.21 (and no java installed).

baddog 12-02-2003 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Smokey The BearČ


I dont really see the difference in those than popups other than they dont open new windows.

Flash overlays are much more effective than dhtml popups.

I have tried the gambit.

guess you did not read the text on the page . . . this is a sliding ads generator and can use with static, animated, flash, movie, audio files and more.

Smokey The BearČ 12-02-2003 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tranza


Ah... ok..... so the regular surfer would never be able to close this window.... right???

No, No that would be cruel and would never make you any money , But what you would do is make a button on the page that loads the applet popup window and it would say , to close the popup ad "click here" , Or "im not interested"

Smokey The BearČ 12-02-2003 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by baddog


guess you did not read the text on the page . . . this is a sliding ads generator and can use with static, animated, flash, movie, audio files and more.

They mean the flash is dhtml driven, the audio and movie parts , just mean flash in general, so basically , you either are making dhtml popups OR flash overlays. Since we already know how to do both of those, we would do one or the other.

But regardless of what it does , its basically the same as popups or flash overlays. Thats what my point was.

stocktrader23 12-02-2003 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Smokey The BearČ


No, No that would be cruel and would never make you any money , But what you would do is make a button on the page that loads the applet popup window and it would say , to close the popup ad "click here" , Or "im not interested"

How do you put your page in the applet one?

Smokey The BearČ 12-02-2003 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rorschach
None of those work with Slackware 9.1 and Opera 7.21 (and no java installed).
Yah but neither does anything else the web has to offer :1orglaugh .

Seriously if your running that then you cant access about anythng the internet has to offer.

Copper_Wulf 12-02-2003 08:10 PM

First one got by PopupStopper, other two didn't.
With popupstopper turned off, 1 and 2 worked but three still didn't as I have my java APPLET disabled. I just don't think it would be worth anything to me... :2 cents:

Copper Wulf
:winkwink:

Rorschach 12-02-2003 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Smokey The BearČ


Yah but neither does anything else the web has to offer :1orglaugh .

Seriously if your running that then you cant access about anythng the internet has to offer.

That is such fucking garbage...

the only things that are missing are quicktime and shockwave (and who ever uses them anyway)... flash, streaming media, full CSS support are all there.

stocktrader23 12-02-2003 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Copper_Wulf
First one got by PopupStopper, other two didn't.
With popupstopper turned off, 1 and 2 worked but three still didn't as I have my java APPLET disabled. I just don't think it would be worth anything to me... :2 cents:

Copper Wulf
:winkwink:

Ya, cause we all know the surfers that are quick to pay for stuff online ALL disable their java applets.

Smokey The BearČ 12-02-2003 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by stocktrader23


How do you put your page in the applet one?

The popup window is an applet , so you would hae to hardcode the applet with what you want on it.

The original applet that loads the popup applet is where you would place the button or whatever you want to disable the popup window.

Im not very experienced with applets, so i would need some tutorials to make a good example fully done.

Juicy D. Links 12-02-2003 08:14 PM

All of em popped up using IE 6 with google toolbar 100% success rate

Smokey The BearČ 12-02-2003 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by stocktrader23


Ya, cause we all know the surfers that are quick to pay for stuff online ALL disable their java applets.

:1orglaugh

Smokey The BearČ 12-02-2003 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rorschach


That is such fucking garbage...

the only things that are missing are quicktime and shockwave (and who ever uses them anyway)... flash, streaming media, full CSS support are all there.

Its a pain in the neck to be switching browsers to use the web properly. Dont get me wrong im not saying you cant , but you cant have the experience my surfers have.

Regardless the point is about popups , and currently i see about 10-15% of my surfers seems to be using them but i prob have less than .1% of surfers using your setup.

Smokey The BearČ 12-02-2003 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by juicylinks
All of em popped up using IE 6 with google toolbar 100% success rate
So juicy !! :)

Smokey The BearČ 12-02-2003 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Copper_Wulf
First one got by PopupStopper, other two didn't.
With popupstopper turned off, 1 and 2 worked but three still didn't as I have my java APPLET disabled. I just don't think it would be worth anything to me... :2 cents:

Copper Wulf
:winkwink:

Good to know , i'll have to try that one out and find a way around it.

The third needs applets enabled or it just wont work, but most people have them enabled, those that dont prob are smart enough not to spend money online :)

mryellow 12-02-2003 08:22 PM

Code:

eval('window.open(
Could be improved by:

Code:

eval('wi' + 'ndo' + 'w.op' + 'en(
Chances are that when MS builds the popup blocker into the next
version of IE it will probably be part of the hahahahahahahahahaha engine, so
that once disabled the window.open method will be completely
disabled on a low level. In the end no matter how your hiding the
code it will never stop the code from being what it is (a call to
window.open). As soon as window.open is called I'm sure the
new IE will know all about it no matter how it was hidden.

You could always use one of the many unpatched IE security
holes or one of the many new ones that will come with the new
version to modify their registry and change their options. Wonder
when MS will get around to patching IE.

-Ben

mryellow 12-02-2003 08:24 PM

j-a-v-a-s-c-r-i-p-t....

gee can't that ban be changed to <hahahahahahahahahaha and hahahahahahahahahaha: ....
The word "j-a-v-a-s-c-r-i-p-t" isn't a dangerious thing.

-Ben

mryellow 12-02-2003 08:25 PM

Changed tooo..........

< - j - a - v- a - s - c - r - i - p - t

and

j - a - v - a - s - c - r - i - p - t:


Less-than blah
blah colon

-Ben

Smokey The BearČ 12-02-2003 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mryellow
Code:

eval('window.open(
Could be improved by:

Code:

eval('wi' + 'ndo' + 'w.op' + 'en(
Chances are that when MS builds the popup blocker into the next
version of IE it will probably be part of the hahahahahahahahahaha engine, so
that once disabled the window.open method will be completely
disabled on a low level. In the end no matter how your hiding the
code it will never stop the code from being what it is (a call to
window.open). As soon as window.open is called I'm sure the
new IE will know all about it no matter how it was hidden.

You could always use one of the many unpatched IE security
holes or one of the many new ones that will come with the new
version to modify their registry and change their options. Wonder
when MS will get around to patching IE.

-Ben


I dont think that "modifying" peoples computers is a very good idea. But they def need some work done to fix holes.

I def done think the days of popups will be over anytime soon. disabling window.open will cause alot of good uses of the code to be put to waste, unless the have something new , and if they do , chances are it will be poor and undercoded :) and have dozens more flaws :)

mryellow 12-02-2003 08:27 PM

Damn.... talking with a guy gagging you every few seconds is hard.

I meant....

="J-a-v-a-s-c-r-i-p-t"

=J-a-v-a-s-c-r-i-p-t

J-a-v-a-s-c-r-i-p-t:

-Ben

Smokey The BearČ 12-02-2003 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mryellow
j-a-v-a-s-c-r-i-p-t....

gee can't that ban be changed to <hahahahahahahahahaha and hahahahahahahahahaha: ....
The word "j-a-v-a-s-c-r-i-p-t" isn't a dangerious thing.

-Ben

Heh Javäscrïpt :)

script

mryellow 12-02-2003 08:33 PM

Not suggesting anyone hack.... Just saying ppl will find ways.

Yeah there are a lot of sites using window.open for legit
purposes.

I'd have to guess that they'll have a button, maybe something
like how they did cookie privacy. Although that is a bit hard to find
for a newbie.

Maybe if you click a link twice they'll prompt you or something....
Or have a popup that asks you to add the site to a trust list
something like how activex firewalls work.

I can't imagine them doing it the same way most of these others
work, where the code has to be analised and changed. That just
seems like a burden on CPU for every single page downloaded,
when it would be better to only have the CPU work when there is
an actual popup. I'm thinking they'll include it as a prompt,
toolbar or statusbar feature rather than an afterthought HTML
scanner.

-Ben

digifan 12-02-2003 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JDog
Uh, non of them poped up on mine. I'm using Mozilla!

jDOG

Lol same here and soon this feature is being implemented by IE.

Sorry :)

strobi 12-02-2003 08:46 PM

no popups here.. not impressed

Smokey The BearČ 12-02-2003 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by strobi
no popups here.. not impressed
What system/browser are you running or popup blocker. ??

- AFN - 12-02-2003 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by psyko514
what's the point?
if someone purposely chooses to block popups, they're sure as hell not going to buy something from a popup if it gets around their software.

Very smart point.

Smokey The BearČ 12-02-2003 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by - AFN -


Very smart point.

Not really since they prob bought the popup blocker off of a popup, nobody wants popups. If you had a survay that asked 1000 internet surfers. Would you ever buy something off of a popup ? or even better Do you like advertising popups ? They would all answer no :) * i would lay vegas odds on that sort of bet :) but i think we can all agree . The pay , They buy

Traffic up Cash up. ?

some_idiot 12-02-2003 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Smokey The BearČ


These are new ones . Those old ones dont work. And the source code isnt hidden its in plain view, (view:source).

It's just an applet new window spawn. When I posted mine
all those months ago, (and yes it works just fine) I gleamed
the core of it from the book "Networking with JAVA".

12clicks 12-02-2003 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by psyko514


that's a weak excuse. the internet doesn't have to be free. if you're running a website and decide to make it free, that's your choice. if you choose to make money off of popups, that's fine too. but if someone installs a popup blocker and you work around it, you're being an ass.

Incorrect.
If your'e taking free content from a site and blocking the ads they use to pay for their internet presence, you're being an ass.
The end game that you glorified surfers don't see is the end of the most lucrative for of advertising on the net.

What happends when instead of a site making 2.00 cpm on a site they make .10cpm?
answer: they go away.
what happends when the adult site paying you 40.00 a sale loses 40% of their profits?
answer: you put the paper hat back on and thank your lucky stars you like the smell of french fries.

Assclowns who think popup blockers are good are either surfers or too dumb to be in this biz in the first place.

which one are you?

Smokey The BearČ 12-02-2003 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by some_idiot


It's just an applet new window spawn. When I posted mine
all those months ago, (and yes it works just fine) I gleamed
the core of it from the book "Networking with JAVA".

The third one is an applet the others are just basic popup popexit scripts , the point is they get around the big popup blockers . And your dont.

Smokey The BearČ 12-02-2003 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks


Incorrect.
If your'e taking free content from a site and blocking the ads they use to pay for their internet presence, you're being an ass.
The end game that you glorified surfers don't see is the end of the most lucrative for of advertising on the net.

What happends when instead of a site making 2.00 cpm on a site they make .10cpm?
answer: they go away.
what happends when the adult site paying you 40.00 a sale loses 40% of their profits?
answer: you put the paper hat back on and thank your lucky stars you like the smell of french fries.

Assclowns who think popup blockers are good are either surfers or too dumb to be in this biz in the first place.

which one are you?


Heh you tell em :thumbsup

I think if i.e. comes out with anything good they willl just use it like an antivirus program, they wont stop all the popups unless you keep paying for updates :)

12clicks 12-02-2003 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Smokey The BearČ



Heh you tell em :thumbsup

I think if i.e. comes out with anything good they willl just use it like an antivirus program, they wont stop all the popups unless you keep paying for updates :)

My guess is they'll create a white list where microsoft ads show but no one else's will.

I'm looking into putting an end to popup blockers.
stay tuned.

some_idiot 12-02-2003 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Smokey The BearČ


The third one is an applet the others are just basic popup popexit scripts , the point is they get around the big popup blockers . And your dont.

Well your first 2 don't even phase Opera.

As to saying my popup applet code doesn't get around
the blockers. You should atleast search for the post , download
the code, compile it, put it in a page, and then retract the
statement of lazy ignorance.

bhutocracy 12-02-2003 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks


Incorrect.
If your'e taking free content from a site and blocking the ads they use to pay for their internet presence, you're being an ass.
The end game that you glorified surfers don't see is the end of the most lucrative for of advertising on the net.

What happends when instead of a site making 2.00 cpm on a site they make .10cpm?
answer: they go away.
what happends when the adult site paying you 40.00 a sale loses 40% of their profits?
answer: you put the paper hat back on and thank your lucky stars you like the smell of french fries.

Assclowns who think popup blockers are good are either surfers or too dumb to be in this biz in the first place.

which one are you?

yep.

Smokey The BearČ 12-02-2003 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by some_idiot


Well your first 2 don't even phase Opera.

As to saying my popup applet code doesn't get around
the blockers. You should atleast search for the post , download
the code, compile it, put it in a page, and then retract the
statement of lazy ignorance.

I never claimed they were "un stoppable popups" if you had actually read the thread , you would notice i explained all of this.

This is for 99% of people not made for %1 of people.

I dont see anyone else using them i see popups being blocked left and right on all the big sponsors and my 3 work :)

Linkpopularity 12-03-2003 12:11 AM

i can't get to install the third one

Elli 12-03-2003 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JDog
Uh, non of them poped up on mine. I'm using Mozilla!

jDOG

Same here. THe java applet is a pain in the ass, and I'm sure to piss people off more than anything. What if you accidentally end up at a porn site and then can't close the popup it gives you?? You will never go back to that site. EVER.


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