Would you promote a $10 Pay Per Sign up program? - GoFuckYourself.com

- AFN - · 11-29-2003, 03:15 PM

Assuming the prog converts the same ratios as other PPS programs, what kind of sponsor features should it have to have for you to promote it?

triumph · 11-29-2003, 03:16 PM

one time pay of $10? NO WAY! I HAVE NO MORE TO SAY.

Nima · 11-29-2003, 03:19 PM

the conversions would have to be WAY better in order for someone to promote such program.. maybe 3 times better

GeXus · 11-29-2003, 03:20 PM

$10 per signup? lol.. if the sponsor doesnt know how to upsell, i would not promote.. id rather send my surfers to someone who knows how to make money with them

- AFN - · 11-29-2003, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nezster
the conversions would have to be WAY better in order for someone to promote such program.. maybe 3 times better

Let's just say for the sake of argument that the convo rate is 1:500.

Here are the features:

Sponsor hosted galleries
Mailer support
Tons of free content

NO POPUPS

GeXus · 11-29-2003, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by - AFN -

Let's just say for the sake of argument that the convo rate is 1:500.

Here are the features:

Sponsor hosted galleries
Mailer support
Tons of free content

NO POPUPS

Dude that makes no fucking sense.. 1:500 at 10$ would meen using a "normal" sponsor, getting paid 30$, you would be converting 1:1500, you can convert way better then that with other sponsors

convert 1:100 and MAYBE.. but you WONT convert the same for everyone

CDSmith · 11-29-2003, 03:26 PM

$10 payouts? I make twice that on the 10dollarcash console-free program.

You should join it, it's in my sig.

- AFN - · 11-29-2003, 03:27 PM

That is why this is a hypothetical.

Wouldn't people try out a PPS program just on the mere fact that it provides diversity?

Plus the incentive to shave is lower at $10 than $35 or whatever the average rate is?

Quote:

Originally posted by GeXus

Dude that makes no fucking sense.. 1:500 at 10$ would meen using a "normal" sponsor, getting paid 30$, you would be converting 1:1500, you can convert way better then that with other sponsors

convert 1:100 and MAYBE.. but you WONT convert the same for everyone

Arousal Design · 11-29-2003, 03:31 PM

No one would promote $10 per signups. Unless it was for free no console or full webmaster console trials, then possibly. Even then, it'd be tough.

Ic3m4nZ · 11-29-2003, 03:34 PM

No No & No

$5 submissions · 11-29-2003, 03:35 PM

It has to be definitely no console, no exits, no pops, no BS. Plus the sponsor would have to have a rep of no shaving. Even a hint or rumor of shaving.... the program would be toast.

swedguy · 11-29-2003, 03:39 PM

If they have the same sites as a regular $30 PPS sponsor and the same conversion, I would not promote them.

If they have some very special sites that I can't find elsewhere, I would consider promoting them. But they better convert like a mofo. Otherwise it's not really worth wasting time on them.

Brad-Wishing · 11-29-2003, 03:45 PM

I don't think it would be too popular by any means.

- AFN - · 11-29-2003, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brad-Wishing
I don't think it would be too popular by any means.

But wouldn't it be more popular than a REVSHARE model?

Platinum Dave · 11-29-2003, 04:11 PM

Discount Pass Bucks

CONVERTS 2 X better then any other program.

$25 X 2 = $50 a signup

I got the numbers to prove it

$5 submissions · 11-29-2003, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Platinum Dave
Discount Pass Bucks

CONVERTS 2 X better then any other program.

$25 X 2 = $50 a signup

I got the numbers to prove it

Is that from TGP or exit traffic or 404s?

CDSmith · 11-29-2003, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CDSmith
$10 payouts? I make twice that on the 10dollarcash console-free program.

Should I use my invisibility for good, or for evil?

11-29-2003, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by - AFN -

But wouldn't it be more popular than a REVSHARE model?

Why would it be? Most of the revshare companies I promote retain like crazy, and pay out more initially. Why take 1 payment of $10 when I can get an average 3 month retention at $12-$15.99 a month?

The numbers just don't add up.

Basic_man · 11-29-2003, 04:27 PM

10$, are you a little african bitch who is under-pay?

- AFN - · 11-29-2003, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Basic_man
10$, are you a little african bitch who is under-pay?

Please, no need to be racist. I was just asking a question.

Platinum Dave · 11-29-2003, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by $5 submissions

Is that from TGP or exit traffic or 404s?

Its from Overall traffic of programs

Other Programs compared to Discount Pass Bucks

Its not one type of traffic its, overall in general, program wide

Platinum Dave · 11-29-2003, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by shermsshack

Why would it be? Most of the revshare companies I promote retain like crazy, and pay out more initially. Why take 1 payment of $10 when I can get an average 3 month retention at $12-$15.99 a month?

The numbers just don't add up.

Discount Pass Bucks pays $25 a signup, not $10 a signup

Platinum Bucks pays $35

You'll make more money advertising a per trial program then partnership.

I never advertise recurring programs, I send 1000's of signups a month

mahoney · 11-29-2003, 04:40 PM

If it was for free chat (i.e) http://www.sexxxychat.com and you were getting $10.00 for every free signup you generate then yes. If it is a full blown paysite then no. Why make $10 when you can make $40.00 ?

EscortBiz · 11-29-2003, 04:50 PM

i will bumo this thread in 6 months

Space Puppy · 11-29-2003, 04:51 PM

Wait till Visa start their hacking of the Industry come January i bet a LOT of the sponsors who are going to be losing their Processors look at the lower signup model a lot quicker than many of you think ;)

Space Puppy · 11-29-2003, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by EscortBiz
i will bumo this thread in 6 months

Me too

Matt_WildCash · 11-29-2003, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by $5 submissions
It has to be definitely no console, no exits, no pops, no BS. Plus the sponsor would have to have a rep of no shaving. Even a hint or rumor of shaving.... the program would be toast.

The program would be toast from the start with an idea like that one

Brad-Wishing · 11-29-2003, 05:07 PM

Here is how I see it working.

- Ratio is 3x better than anyone else
- Can keep up with 10dollarcash, and discountpassbucks
- Program owner can cross sell to make that cash back without spamming the hell out of the user
- Quality sites, support and content.

Then YES it would work. If it was laid out stellar I forsee many promoting it.

hentaivip · 11-29-2003, 05:18 PM

$10 per signup ? one time ? No way ...

do you want to promote $10 per signup + $10 life time rebills ?
try my sig

sumphatpimp · 11-29-2003, 05:19 PM

the only way you can get me to promote this program at $10.00 per sign up is the following

the program converts at 1:30 or better and can prove it
as the webmaster who sold to this surfer I get to upsell to him and whatever I want
I get a piece of all rebills for this surfer

so you see the program owner is going to get screwed or he has one hell of a lot of work to do

don't want to break your balls man, just trying to be honest.
everyone is in biz to make money, this ain't no game.

come the new year with visa breakng balls as was mentioned above whole lot of changes gonna happen. stay turned folks the good part is yet to happen!

inthestars · 11-29-2003, 05:35 PM

If the site had very unique content (and DID NOT SHAVE!(, I would promote it. Right now, I'm looking for a sponsor that has reality tranny content.

Brad-Wishing · 11-29-2003, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by inthestars
If the site had very unique content (and DID NOT SHAVE!(, I would promote it. Right now, I'm looking for a sponsor that has reality tranny content.

I think there is one... www.trannytrick.com

I could be mistaken though. I'm not into that niche personally.

rabbit · 11-29-2003, 05:40 PM

i'd have to convert 1:80 to make it worthwile...

the rabbit

$5 submissions · 11-29-2003, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by EscortBiz
i will bumo this thread in 6 months

Heheheh If I read your mind correctly, you are a fucking Genius!

$5 submissions · 11-29-2003, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Space Puppy
Wait till Visa start their hacking of the Industry come January i bet a LOT of the sponsors who are going to be losing their Processors look at the lower signup model a lot quicker than many of you think ;)

DING DING DING! although its obvious it will feel like reading fuckedcompany.com's industry dead pool (circa 1999) when the shit hits the fan.

Now, if I read EscortBiz' mind correctly, someone who is working on the next biz model for this biz might spill the beans in this thread.

bigdog · 11-29-2003, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Platinum Dave

Discount Pass Bucks pays $25 a signup, not $10 a signup

Platinum Bucks pays $35

You'll make more money advertising a per trial program then partnership.

I never advertise recurring programs, I send 1000's of signups a month

Very true statements Dave.Also with the way credit card processing is these days i would not touch any partnership programs at all

chodadog · 11-29-2003, 08:51 PM

Think of the awesome marketing campaign.

<font size=+4><b>WE PAY THE LOWEST RATE PER SIGNUP IN THE INDUSTRY!</b></font>

That's going to be a winner.

Paparazzi · 11-29-2003, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by shermsshack

Why would it be? Most of the revshare companies I promote retain like crazy, and pay out more initially. Why take 1 payment of $10 when I can get an average 3 month retention at $12-$15.99 a month?

The numbers just don't add up.

fuck pps

Matt_WildCash · 11-29-2003, 10:08 PM

The simple hard facts are, advertising a $10 per signup (no recurring) program wasn't a good ideas last month and now your idea has some hard competition selling $10 memberships converting just the same ratio's as your promising with the $10 prices and they are paying $25 150% more than your offering.

Its all about the affilates & how much money you can make them, concentrate on this first.

brizzad · 11-29-2003, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by triumph
one time pay of $10? NO WAY! I HAVE NO MORE TO SAY.

one time pay? no way? you have no more to say?

why dont we go lay by the bay, make things outta clay, whatta ya say? i just may!

$5 submissions · 11-30-2003, 12:37 AM

Maybe if you concentrate on building killer retentions and conversions...THEN opening an affiliate program to select guys who each specialize in particular traffic, this may work. The guys give you feedback re optimization. You optimize and build up conversions and installed membership base. From here, you can then ramp up to full open affiliate system.

makefuckingmoney · 11-30-2003, 12:53 AM

At the point that webmasters are forced to promote 9.95 trials for 25.00 a signup...

this board will be closed..

Even the sig whores will be gone..

Tobcisab · 11-30-2003, 05:17 AM

Lol.

Tobcisab · 11-30-2003, 05:33 AM

Cum-drinker!!

$5 submissions · 11-30-2003, 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by makefuckingmoney
At the point that webmasters are forced to promote 9.95 trials for 25.00 a signup...

this board will be closed..

Even the sig whores will be gone..

Oh damn, this would mean... people would have to INNOVATE? Oh damn, heaven forfend please let things stay the same for another thousand years.

LOL. Dude, change is what this biz is all about.

NiteRain · 11-30-2003, 08:57 AM

Right now alot of people are still paying out 35 and 40 dollars a signup, so the $10 pay scheme won't work that well, but given the problems I am seeing as an affiliate program, this won't be the case down the line, then people will be jumping to get your 10 dollars signup in a year or two.

Platinum Dave · 11-30-2003, 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Driven
The simple hard facts are, advertising a $10 per signup (no recurring) program wasn't a good ideas last month and now your idea has some hard competition selling $10 memberships converting just the same ratio's as your promising with the $10 prices and they are paying $25 150% more than your offering.

Its all about the affilates & how much money you can make them, concentrate on this first.

Why do you have the mind set that programs are always out to rip you off?

Think positive, perhaps some do rip you off. But Platinum Bucks and Discount Pass Bucks we actual are in strong competition to make you the MOST of any programs out there so we can get your traffic.

Discount pass bucks is not even a proven money maker, right now we are concentrating on Charge back ratios so we are solidified under FOREVER.

Discount Pass Bucks makes you more money plain and simple, no bullshiting

TheSaint · 11-30-2003, 09:17 AM

Its probably an unpopular thing to say but the revshare third party admin 50-60% split is the only thing I would promote, no pps for me whether its $10 or $50.

It just screams out at my intelligence. I'd rather take my chances with a site I love (and a third party I trust to admin it like ccbill) and earn huge rewards when I hit the jackpot with a site that really does convert well and retain a hefty percentage of members for 3+ months.

With revshare, I've got some members that stay on a year or more. PPS can never touch that.

With pps, somebody is always getting screwed. Most likely the webmaster getting shaved like hell. On the other hand if the site really does retain for 6 months then $30 is jackshit, and if its a crap program and the sponser doesn't shave they would go bankrupt within 15 days.

Platinum Dave · 11-30-2003, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by makefuckingmoney
At the point that webmasters are forced to promote 9.95 trials for 25.00 a signup...

this board will be closed..

Even the sig whores will be gone..

$9,95 trials CONVERT better at $25 payout then $5 trial that converts to $40.

Surfers arent stupid they see $40 monthly

and they see only $10 a month

$25 payout for Discount Pass Bucks MAKES YOU MORE then $5 trial that converts to $40 a month

Surfers want DISCOUNTS NOW they are smartening up

Platinum Dave · 11-30-2003, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheSaint
Its probably an unpopular thing to say but the revshare third party admin 50-60% split is the only thing I would promote, no pps for me whether its $10 or $50.

It just screams out at my intelligence. I'd rather take my chances with a site I love (and a third party I trust to admin it like ccbill) and earn huge rewards when I hit the jackpot with a site that really does convert well and retain a hefty percentage of members for 3+ months.

With revshare, I've got some members that stay on a year or more. PPS can never touch that.

With pps, somebody is always getting screwed. Most likely the webmaster getting shaved like hell. On the other hand if the site really does retain for 6 months then $30 is jackshit, and if its a crap program and the sponser doesn't shave they would go bankrupt within 15 days.

Some Recurring programs are good to advertise. They have TONS of content and update daily.

But what if your site you LOVE converts to monthly like shit? Or they dont update regularly like you HAVE TO and the member stays 1 month and thats it.

Then your partnership program makes you $10-20 a signup only

Recurring programs SOME, not ALL are the easy way into this business because they have NOTHING to lose they only PAY you money if you make them money.

11-29-2003, 03:15 PM	#1
- AFN - Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: NYC Baaaabeee Posts: 3,101	Would you promote a $10 Pay Per Sign up program? Assuming the prog converts the same ratios as other PPS programs, what kind of sponsor features should it have to have for you to promote it?

11-29-2003, 03:20 PM	#4
GeXus Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Yo Mommas Pussy Posts: 3,320	$10 per signup? lol.. if the sponsor doesnt know how to upsell, i would not promote.. id rather send my surfers to someone who knows how to make money with them __________________

11-29-2003, 03:26 PM	#7
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11-29-2003, 03:16 PM	#2
triumph Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,433	one time pay of $10? NO WAY! I HAVE NO MORE TO SAY.

11-29-2003, 03:19 PM	#3
Nima Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,192	the conversions would have to be WAY better in order for someone to promote such program.. maybe 3 times better

11-29-2003, 03:34 PM	#10
Ic3m4nZ Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Montreal! Posts: 6,285	No No & No

11-29-2003, 03:39 PM	#12
swedguy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,981	If they have the same sites as a regular $30 PPS sponsor and the same conversion, I would not promote them. If they have some very special sites that I can't find elsewhere, I would consider promoting them. But they better convert like a mofo. Otherwise it's not really worth wasting time on them.

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11-29-2003, 04:51 PM	#25
Space Puppy So Fucking Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 817	Wait till Visa start their hacking of the Industry come January i bet a LOT of the sponsors who are going to be losing their Processors look at the lower signup model a lot quicker than many of you think ;)

11-29-2003, 05:07 PM	#28
Brad-Wishing Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 2,415	Here is how I see it working. - Ratio is 3x better than anyone else - Can keep up with 10dollarcash, and discountpassbucks - Program owner can cross sell to make that cash back without spamming the hell out of the user - Quality sites, support and content. Then YES it would work. If it was laid out stellar I forsee many promoting it. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

11-29-2003, 05:18 PM	#29
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11-29-2003, 05:19 PM	#30
sumphatpimp Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5,235	the only way you can get me to promote this program at $10.00 per sign up is the following the program converts at 1:30 or better and can prove it as the webmaster who sold to this surfer I get to upsell to him and whatever I want I get a piece of all rebills for this surfer so you see the program owner is going to get screwed or he has one hell of a lot of work to do don't want to break your balls man, just trying to be honest. everyone is in biz to make money, this ain't no game. come the new year with visa breakng balls as was mentioned above whole lot of changes gonna happen. stay turned folks the good part is yet to happen!

11-29-2003, 05:35 PM	#31
inthestars Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: California Posts: 2,021	If the site had very unique content (and DID NOT SHAVE!(, I would promote it. Right now, I'm looking for a sponsor that has reality tranny content.

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11-29-2003, 08:51 PM	#37
chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	Think of the awesome marketing campaign. <font size=+4><b>WE PAY THE LOWEST RATE PER SIGNUP IN THE INDUSTRY!</b></font> That's going to be a winner. __________________ 26 + 6 = 1

11-29-2003, 10:08 PM	#39
Matt_WildCash Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,699	The simple hard facts are, advertising a $10 per signup (no recurring) program wasn't a good ideas last month and now your idea has some hard competition selling $10 memberships converting just the same ratio's as your promising with the $10 prices and they are paying $25 150% more than your offering. Its all about the affilates & how much money you can make them, concentrate on this first.

11-30-2003, 12:37 AM	#41
$5 submissions I help you SUCCEED Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Pearl of the Orient Seas Posts: 32,195	Maybe if you concentrate on building killer retentions and conversions...THEN opening an affiliate program to select guys who each specialize in particular traffic, this may work. The guys give you feedback re optimization. You optimize and build up conversions and installed membership base. From here, you can then ramp up to full open affiliate system. __________________ Need a NON-ADULT income stream? We build your YOUTUBE CHANNEL for only $20 per video! For Hire: $3/hour or $400 per month Marketing Specialist Virtual Assistants

11-30-2003, 12:53 AM	#42
makefuckingmoney Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,277	At the point that webmasters are forced to promote 9.95 trials for 25.00 a signup... this board will be closed.. Even the sig whores will be gone..

11-30-2003, 05:17 AM	#43
Tobcisab So Fucking Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 696	Lol.

11-30-2003, 05:33 AM	#44
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11-30-2003, 08:57 AM	#46
NiteRain Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Fort Lauderdale Posts: 600	Right now alot of people are still paying out 35 and 40 dollars a signup, so the $10 pay scheme won't work that well, but given the problems I am seeing as an affiliate program, this won't be the case down the line, then people will be jumping to get your 10 dollars signup in a year or two.

11-30-2003, 09:17 AM	#48
TheSaint Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Everywhere at once Posts: 991	Its probably an unpopular thing to say but the revshare third party admin 50-60% split is the only thing I would promote, no pps for me whether its $10 or $50. It just screams out at my intelligence. I'd rather take my chances with a site I love (and a third party I trust to admin it like ccbill) and earn huge rewards when I hit the jackpot with a site that really does convert well and retain a hefty percentage of members for 3+ months. With revshare, I've got some members that stay on a year or more. PPS can never touch that. With pps, somebody is always getting screwed. Most likely the webmaster getting shaved like hell. On the other hand if the site really does retain for 6 months then $30 is jackshit, and if its a crap program and the sponser doesn't shave they would go bankrupt within 15 days. __________________ I have no signature