Acacia workaround - GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum

X

ravener

Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2003

Posts: 76
Share

Post
#1

Acacia workaround

11-29-2003, 11:23 AM

I just came across a product called Clipstream that claims to be "Playerless Audio & Video Software". Among the claimed advantages, they list "playerless -- no downloads, no plug-ins".

If a subscriber accesses a video stream but does not download a file or display it in a client-based player, doesn't that bypass Acacia's bogus patent???

Check it out and see what you think.

http://www.clipstream.com/
Tags: None
EscortBiz

Fuck Checks, CASH only!

Join Date: May 2002

Posts: 19422
Share

Post
#2

11-29-2003, 11:28 AM

people need to stop this acacia paranoia its over trust me

Spanking, Medical Fetish, Sleeping, Strap-on Anal Lesbians, Girls Fucking Guys, Handjob site REAL HOT, Shemales, Anal and Ass Licking sites 100% Real EXCLUSIVE with amazing retention, ccbill payouts, lots of content FREE FTP HOSTING

Promote the largest and oldest member paid escort site, Converts 10 times better then any dating site, CCBill payouts

ICQ# 158802076
Comment
vending_machine

Confirmed User

Join Date: Jun 2002

Posts: 1070
Share

Post
#3

11-29-2003, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by EscortBiz
people need to stop this acacia paranoia its over trust me

What she said...

Besides, Acacias thing is that they have a patent of the technology of sending you a video in compressed format on demand. IE covering all bases..
Comment
ravener

Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2003

Posts: 76
Share

Post
#4

11-29-2003, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by vending_machine

What she said...

Besides, Acacias thing is that they have a patent of the technology of sending you a video in compressed format on demand. IE covering all bases..

But that's just the point. This Clipstream thing apparently does NOT send you compressed video. And if you are not receiving compressed video, (and if the server is not transmitting compressed video), then there can't be any patent infringement.
Comment
notjoe

Confirmed User

Join Date: May 2002

Posts: 5599
Share

Post
#5

11-29-2003, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by ravener

But that's just the point. This Clipstream thing apparently does NOT send you compressed video.

Are you actually listening to what you're saying?! You go try streaming an uncompressed video across the internet and lets see how far you get. it would be cheaper to pay them than try to send uncompressed video to thousands of people at the same time.

And if you are not receiving compressed video, (and if the server is not transmitting compressed video), then there can't be any patent infringement.

Now, lets just assume what you said is true, how would the video be shown if there is no plugin/client for playback? Something has to show the stream doesnt it?

Show me just 1 single site where you need NO client to play back the video. Even if it is Javabased, it would still be a client.

Last edited by notjoe; 11-29-2003, 02:27 PM.
Comment
doober

Confirmed User

Join Date: Jul 2003

Posts: 6984
Share

Post
#6

11-29-2003, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by EscortBiz
people need to stop this acacia paranoia its over trust me

from what i cant tell...I would not go as far as to say its over.
They have pissed off a few Major Universities which is good for everyone because they will no doubt have a big part in overturning this BS patent.

Is it completely over?
i wouldnt say so just yet...
Comment
makefuckingmoney

Confirmed User

Join Date: Oct 2003

Posts: 3277
Share

Post
#7

11-29-2003, 02:37 PM

If it was over..

why did some of these huge company's settle?
Comment
rooster

Confirmed User

Join Date: Jan 2003

Posts: 2384
Share

Post
#8

11-29-2003, 02:39 PM

to put competitors out of business.

Ever notice that pretty much everything added to the Constitution after the original was a mistake.
Comment
ravener

Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2003

Posts: 76
Share

Post
#9

11-29-2003, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by notjoe

Now, lets just assume what you said is true, how would the video be shown if there is no plugin/client for playback? Something has to show the stream doesnt it?

Show me just 1 single site where you need NO client to play back the video. Even if it is Javabased, it would still be a client.

Don't shoot the messenger! I'm just reporting what they are claiming.
Comment
EscortBiz

Fuck Checks, CASH only!

Join Date: May 2002

Posts: 19422
Share

Post
#10

11-29-2003, 02:43 PM

as much as you guys want drama im sorry to tell you its over nothing to worry about

Spanking, Medical Fetish, Sleeping, Strap-on Anal Lesbians, Girls Fucking Guys, Handjob site REAL HOT, Shemales, Anal and Ass Licking sites 100% Real EXCLUSIVE with amazing retention, ccbill payouts, lots of content FREE FTP HOSTING

Promote the largest and oldest member paid escort site, Converts 10 times better then any dating site, CCBill payouts

ICQ# 158802076
Comment
Mr.Fiction

Confirmed User

Join Date: Feb 2002

Posts: 9484
Share

Post
#11

11-29-2003, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by rooster
to put competitors out of business.

Don't be lazy, protect free speech: ACLU | Free Speech Coalition | EFF | IMPA
Comment
nuclei

old school fart

Join Date: May 2001

Posts: 1015
Share

Post
#12

11-29-2003, 03:38 PM

well lets see, their stocks plummeting, their shareholders are suing them, their entire estimated annual revenue from the patent is under 1.5 mil. They dont have any cash to fight many battles. Its over.

The next generation of SEO
Comment
notjoe

Confirmed User

Join Date: May 2002

Posts: 5599
Share

Post
#13

11-29-2003, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by ravener

Don't shoot the messenger! I'm just reporting what they are claiming.

Got a reference site for this? I'm not saying i dont believe it just seems highly unlikely! None the less this is something i would love to mess around with!
Comment
notjoe

Confirmed User

Join Date: May 2002

Posts: 5599
Share

Post
#14

11-29-2003, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by nuclei
well lets see, their stocks plummeting, their shareholders are suing them, their entire estimated annual revenue from the patent is under 1.5 mil. They dont have any cash to fight many battles. Its over.

They dont need to fight many battles, all the need to do is actually make it stick to one guy. Granted other will indeed fight but look at the company, they're all lawyers!

It isnt like they have to actually do any homework to fight every battle since they're all the same based on the same thing!

Thank god for them pissing off the universities!
Comment
ravener

Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2003

Posts: 76
Share

Post
#15

11-29-2003, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by notjoe

Got a reference site for this? I'm not saying i dont believe it just seems highly unlikely! None the less this is something i would love to mess around with!

http://www.clipstream.com/
Comment
MetaformX

Confirmed User

Join Date: Mar 2002

Posts: 6704
Share

Post
#16

11-29-2003, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by EscortBiz
people need to stop this acacia paranoia its over trust me

I wouldnt say its over yet...we gotta wait till the fat lady sings
Comment
vending_machine

Confirmed User

Join Date: Jun 2002

Posts: 1070
Share

Post
#17

11-29-2003, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by ravener

http://www.clipstream.com/

There's your client, j-a-v-a-s-c-r-i-p-t..
Comment
ravener

Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2003

Posts: 76
Share

Post
#18

11-29-2003, 11:21 PM

Originally posted by vending_machine

There's your client, j-a-v-a-s-c-r-i-p-t..

Actually, it's java, not hahahahahahahahahaha. A patent lawyer could have a field day with this (and billable per hour), as it seems debatable whether the stream is fully controlled from the server or not. One thing is for sure --- there is no plug-in or executable client that needs to be downloaded, which makes it quite nebulous as to what is initiating and controlling the playback.

BUT --- after investigating further, it's a moot point, as it would appear as if the cost of licensing Clipstream isn't that much different from the cost of licensing the bogus DMT patent at the end of the day.

What's this world coming to? Ain't there a free lunch anywhere anymore???? LOL!
Comment
Gruntled

Confirmed User

Join Date: Aug 2003

Posts: 358
Share

Post
#19

11-29-2003, 11:29 PM

Originally posted by nuclei
well lets see, their stocks plummeting, their shareholders are suing them, their entire estimated annual revenue from the patent is under 1.5 mil. They dont have any cash to fight many battles. Its over.

You paint a rosy picture. The underdog has won, the bully is ridden on a rail out of town. ...and there was much rejoicing. (yaay!)
Comment
konduct

Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2003

Posts: 326
Share

Post
#20

11-30-2003, 12:12 AM
Comment
FightThisPatent

Confirmed User

Join Date: Aug 2003

Posts: 4090
Share

Post
#21

11-30-2003, 06:32 AM

Originally posted by ravener

http://www.clipstream.com/

This is not a workaround.

One workaround is to have your audio or video in a loop much like net radio stations...and you can use whatever streaming server(ie. shoutcast, windows media) by creating a play list.

If the user can't select which item to download, then that gets around the patent claims....this is why Acacia hasn't targeted net radio...they tried with RadioIO back in october 2002, but i think they gave up when the realized it was a bad target.

Setup a schedule that shows what/when the next clips play....the user has to sit there and watch/listen until whatever is they wanted to see appears... but then again, they are watching...spending time on your site...so you can take advantage of that...

they could be viewing previews of things they may not have clicked on, but since it's in their face, its got their attention.

I believe this approach "extends" the patent (as if Yurt, the inventor of the acacia DMT patent, really invented downloadable audio/video) to make it one better.......

Because the audio/video is not able to be selectable, it becomes different than Acacia's patent claims.

Haven't gotten verification yet from a patent attorney, but I do believe this is a real workaround.

For those with audio files, you could shoutcast (http://www.shoutcast.com - free) and load up your MP3 in a playlist. For Windows Media (for video), i believe you create an .ASX script (haven't done this one before, but know you can link several videos together)

Fight the 11!

http://www.t3report.com (where's the traffic?) v5.0 is out! |
http://www.FightThePatent.com | ICQ 52741957
Comment
Tobcisab

So Fucking Banned

Join Date: Nov 2003

Posts: 696
Share

Post
#22

11-30-2003, 06:36 AM

Asshole
Comment
FightThisPatent

Confirmed User

Join Date: Aug 2003

Posts: 4090
Share

Post
#23

11-30-2003, 06:40 AM

Originally posted by Tobcisab
Asshole

Calling Acacia names won't make them go away

Fight the Holes!

http://www.t3report.com (where's the traffic?) v5.0 is out! |
http://www.FightThePatent.com | ICQ 52741957
Comment
EZRhino

Confirmed User

Join Date: Jul 2003

Posts: 6258
Share

Post
#24

11-30-2003, 07:38 AM

Originally posted by EscortBiz
people need to stop this acacia paranoia its over trust me

I cant bet my companys future unless I had a 100% proof that its over.
Comment
FightThisPatent

Confirmed User

Join Date: Aug 2003

Posts: 4090
Share

Post
#25

11-30-2003, 08:38 AM

Originally posted by EZRhino

I cant bet my companys future unless I had a 100% proof that its over.

Acacia is not the end..it's the beginning for the adult industry to have to deal with a new threat that faces its business.. goverment action has been around for awhile, and it is picking up.

But now with patent infringement cases, patent holders like Acacia will be looking for new ways to "tax" businesses.

if the patent is valid...more power to any patent holder. If the patent has prior art and is not novel, it deserves to have all websites bring the smackdown on it.

Fight the Beginning!

http://www.t3report.com (where's the traffic?) v5.0 is out! |
http://www.FightThePatent.com | ICQ 52741957
Comment

Previous template Next

Working...