I am tired of the idiots that go to conventions

Personally I wouldn't feel comfortable discussing things like "hahahaha" and "blowjob" at El Gaucho. It is a nice place after all.

Raven - you were at our company holiday party last year. My kids as well as a lot of others were there. Did they make you feel uncomfortable?

Aaron, I wholeheartedly agree with you. I had a sales person complain to me about people being so fucked up on drugs and booze that they did not remember "deals" discussed the prior night. Then it happened to me.

This is why many professional players no longer go to shows. Or just go to the big Vegas show. I also feel the format of some of the shows are to blame. The LA show reaked of party, little biz from the start. Lens is known flor throwing parties for the kids of the biz. It was promoted that way IMHO. That is why did not send a person.

Unfortunately, I have learned that there are too many idiots in this biz, and things will not change. You are better off staying at home from most of these "conventions" and traveling to see clients on a more personal basis.

You're right. It WAS an informal dinner.

Even still, most of what we talked about was related to our business.

Nothing personal against you or your children.

My opinion stands. I think there's a time and a place for children; and, in my opinion, that night was not appropriate for children.

I would have been uncomfortable, had your kids been there.

That's why I pin my business cards to my shirt....DUH.

You're right...But you did it with a laugh as if it was a joke. It clearly was not. You fell short in the balls department when you tried to play it off to my face but took a different stance with others.

As for me taking myself entirely too seriously and this being a joke....I find it strange that multiple people thought enough about it to bring it to my attention. If it was a joke and no big deal then why in the hell did you feel the need to discuss it with several people?

I personally do take it seriously. And as you can see, I have no problem whatsoever bringing your attention to it.

You posted on Oprano and then talked shit about me at an industry event. Call you? WTF is that? You took it to the boards originally.

I also had a problem with the ass that you made of yourself in Phoenix. Would you like me to call you about that too? Just because the average person in this business is afraid to post or say anything bad about the almighty Ian does not mean that I am. I like your company, and I even like you...I just don't like you damaging my rep because I had the common sense to not allow children to an adult gathering.

For the record...I get all the attention I want and them some as is. You are pissed that I am bringing this attention to you NOT because it is of the attention it is bring to me. Deal with it. Maybe next time you will think twice before you act like a child.

"Adult webmaster private dinner." Read that carefully. Lets also note that there was a specific RSVP timeframe and when your initial RSVP was done, no kids were included. The reservations were booked and after all that I went through to get them done, I was not about to change them for anybody. Not God, not you, and certainly not for kids. Hello? ADULT WEBMASTERS. Run a search about children at adult events then come back here and spew that bullshit some more.

Take your kids anyplace you want...Just not to private ADULT dinner parties that I am kind enough to invite you to.

Raven-

This is becoming something it shouldn't be. I wasn't upset about being told not to go. I was joking about calling Aaron a "kid hater." Maybe it was a stupid joke. I never thought his feellings would be hurt and this would upset him so much.

NO BIG DEAL!

Funny thing is I am meeting a biz associate there for dinner tonight. I will ask them if it is an appropriate place for kids or not.

Hard drugs is for loosers.
Just don't do business with them.

You were kind enough to invite me. I asked you if kids were cool. You said no. I was joking about being a kid hater.

Why blow this into something it never should have been.

Call me if you have issues.

I'm glad I was nice & boring and 15 years sober Monday morning.

Well my 2 cents on the subject is this....

There are many companies in this industry that purposefully hire people that are wild and crazy. The reason for this is because they go to shows and raise eyebrows, they push the envelope. And when webmasters get back from the shows and tell other webmasters what happened at the show they say so and so did this and so and so did that. Then they remember who that wild and crazy person worked for. You know the old saying no advertising is bad advertising. I mean these wild people don't go to seminars or even work their companies booths they just get FUCKED up.

Is this right? Well no and yes... It creates a big problem to poor coordinators like Kayla and Kimmy. But at the same time this creates BUSINESS for other companies that get exposure from these people's antics.

Now I think at Internext and larger shows people CAN get away with this. But at smaller shows (ie. Caracao) you CANNOT get away with this. Fuck man, if you were a jackass in Curacao you better have started looking in the want ads before you came back as you would not have a job when you got back and you would be blackballed from the industry.

Personally I am getting tired of going to shows and seeing the same people getting wild and crazy and acting like fucking children. I am all in favor for having some drinks or even a few joints but dammit we are adults and should behave like it.

We get enough heat for being in the adult industry as it is, we should put our best foot forward to prove ourselves as professionals not children.

DH

P.S. I completely agree with Aaron about not allowing that guy to bring his kids. First of all this is a business dinner, do you think Bill Gates brings his kids to his business dinners? Seconds of all our business is of an adult nature, do you want your kids to hear us talking about cumshots and anal? Common man!

Thanks for the support Brad. I would like to say this though:

The LA Webmaster Access show was great. I got a lot of business done and the parties were nice...I particularly loved Gotham Hall.

I would not hesitate to go to another one of these shows.

Congrats on that.

I myself will be 22 years drinking come this Febuary.

Oh geez, someone else brought their kids to a porn convention. This business never ceases to amaze me.

Ian.....I never told you not to go. What I specifically said was that there was no room for anybody else. You chose to take it as a kid thing. I would not be upset about this at all if you had not brought this up with others as if it were an issue.

Read the log between Carol and I. I was quite specific that I needed a 100% accurate headcount. The fact that they were children was not the driving factor in the decision but at the same time, it would not have been appropriate for them to be there.

Session Start (AIM - AMPContent:Tynidncr): Fri Nov 07 11:47:20 2003
[11:47] Tynidncr: yes I am aware - is it cool that I bring Ian?
[11:48] AMPContent: Yep. Tell me 100% for sure now though so I can include him in the res
[11:48] Tynidncr: he is going with me yes I already asked him
[11:48] AMPContent: ok
[11:48] AMPContent: Did little Ian used to work for you?
[11:49] Tynidncr: yep
[11:49] AMPContent: Do the two Ians get along? This dinner is primarily a thing for Little Ian and I don't want any issues.
[11:50] Tynidncr: oh they havent got any issues
[11:50] Tynidncr: never have
[11:50] AMPContent: ok...it's all good then
Session Close (Tynidncr): Fri Nov 07 11:59:56 2003

Brad read the whole thread.