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- AFN - 11-26-2003 08:28 PM

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Originally posted by 69pornlinks
Damn it's about 390+ TGP owners here, or just nosy:winkwink:
Out of 5 or 6,000 registered webmasters, that's a pretty low % actually.

Groove 11-26-2003 08:31 PM

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Originally posted by chemicaleyes
Good idea :thumbsup but the only problem I have when thinking about this is everybody ends up with same descriptions or do you mean to supply everybody with custom descriptions..?
You could offer a free service that skims 5% of the sponsor codes and provides the same description to all. Plus a paid service which does not skim and guarantees that the specific description will only be used by a maximum of say 10 TGPs, ie if you had 100 paying clients you'd write 10 variations of the description.

- AFN - 11-26-2003 08:33 PM

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Originally posted by Groove


You could offer a free service that skims 5% of the sponsor codes and provides the same description to all. Plus a paid service which does not skim and guarantees that the specific description will only be used by a maximum of say 10 TGPs, ie if you had 100 paying clients you'd write 10 variations of the description.

That's a good setup, gives webmasters choice and providing a good service.:thumbsup

Groove 11-26-2003 08:51 PM

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Originally posted by $5 submissions
How about an added feature where you get small thumbs from the galleries to your specifications?
Most Thumb Preview software will create thumbs automatically, so this service would only be useful if you did carefully selected and composed hand-crops.

Steve 11-26-2003 08:53 PM

sorry - a one time fee would be acceptable (and I have done this several times already)

but honestly, the best gallery descriptions I know of come from ME

so, I hope this service takes off like gangbusters :Graucho

$5 submissions 11-26-2003 09:42 PM

The problem with the assertion of those guys who say that this has been done before is that to SKIM traffic, you have to control that traffic. How can you control SHG traffic when you're giving the link description (cut to the webmaster's specification) in data pipe format when you're not storing the URL on your server? All links will have the webmaster's ref codes.

What's preventing webmasters from running a Search and global replace of your ref code with theirs?

q00p 11-26-2003 10:40 PM

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Originally posted by $5 submissions
The problem with the assertion of those guys who say that this has been done before is that to SKIM traffic, you have to control that traffic. How can you control SHG traffic when you're giving the link description (cut to the webmaster's specification) in data pipe format when you're not storing the URL on your server? All links will have the webmaster's ref codes.

What's preventing webmasters from running a Search and global replace of your ref code with theirs?

True, you just have to trust that webmasters will be honest and pay you back for using a useful service.. It's like a type of webmaster karma, what goes around comes around.. If they just use the links as provided they will be successful, while if they get greedy and cut your ref code, well it will come back to bite them in the ass hopefully..:thumbsup

chemicaleyes 11-27-2003 05:24 AM

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Originally posted by boneprone


already been done.
many people using it.

url? to a site providing custom shg's descriptions... I have not seen one & I've been looking..

chemicaleyes 11-27-2003 05:30 AM

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Originally posted by q00p


True, you just have to trust that webmasters will be honest and pay you back for using a useful service.. It's like a type of webmaster karma, what goes around comes around.. If they just use the links as provided they will be successful, while if they get greedy and cut your ref code, well it will come back to bite them in the ass hopefully..:thumbsup

There is no way for it to come back and bite webmasters in the ass, they would just endup with free shg's descriptions for a while.. but if you have all shg's listed & they pay for custom descriptions (custom to 1 or maybe to 10 max) they get a service that doesn't seem to be around? urls? - (to get shg's descriptions with your sponsor ref urls in a format ready to be pasted in to tgp scripts.)
:glugglug

- AFN - 11-27-2003 06:07 AM

I haven't seen any services that offer custom description galleries. And even if they exist, I'm sure they are expensive.

Even the people who say there are generic services out there using a skimming business model are quite oblivious to the fact that many webmasters end up using the same descriptions over and over again.

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Originally posted by chemicaleyes
There is no way for it to come back and bite webmasters in the ass, they would just endup with free shg's descriptions for a while.. but if you have all shg's listed & they pay for custom descriptions (custom to 1 or maybe to 10 max) they get a service that doesn't seem to be around? urls? - (to get shg's descriptions with your sponsor ref urls in a format ready to be pasted in to tgp scripts.)
:glugglug


SomeCreep 11-27-2003 06:27 AM

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Originally posted by $5 submissions
Would you pay for a service that features most if not all sponsor hosted galleries and gives you short text descriptions for each? How about an added feature where you get small thumbs from the galleries to your specifications? Please post your opinions here.
Interesting idea, but no I wouldnt. TGPs would look identical, even more so than the hosted galleries they're all using now.

(If they're unique descriptions for every webmaster, then that might work, but would be an enormous task for the people writing descriptions)

- AFN - 11-27-2003 05:22 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by SomeCreep


Interesting idea, but no I wouldnt. TGPs would look identical, even more so than the hosted galleries they're all using now.

(If they're unique descriptions for every webmaster, then that might work, but would be an enormous task for the people writing descriptions)
[/QUOTE

I would use it but I would request some sort of counting system that tells me if a particular description has been ordered too many times. (Similar to AdultBouncer's movie download counter for webmaster content). This would incentivize the program to write fresh descriptions.:2 cents:

chemicaleyes 11-27-2003 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by - AFN -
I would use it but I would request some sort of counting system that tells me if a particular description has been ordered too many times. (Similar to AdultBouncer's movie download counter for webmaster content). This would incentivize the program to write fresh descriptions.:2 cents:
It would just work best with each set of descriptions either being exclusive or only used by 5-10 webmasters and then removed. :2 cents:

- AFN - 11-27-2003 05:34 PM

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Originally posted by chemicaleyes


It would just work best with each set of descriptions either being exclusive or only used by 5-10 webmasters and then removed. :2 cents:

That would work well. I would buy that service in BULK. Maybe start with generic then ramp up to custom.

chemicaleyes 11-27-2003 05:40 PM

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That would work well. I would buy that service in BULK. Maybe start with generic then ramp up to custom.
Is this the general opinion? Come on theres fucking shit loads of TGP's & only a few webmasters who run them that can talk?

Shoehorn! 11-27-2003 07:30 PM

Wouldn't use it, unless it was free, then maybe.

$5 submissions 11-28-2003 03:07 AM

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Originally posted by TheSmutPeddlerDOTcom
Wouldn't use it, unless it was free, then maybe.
Thanks for the feedback. I truly appreciate your participation in this thread. I am afraid that this product, should it be created, would not be for everyone.

No, this product would definitely be for people who seek to make more money in this game and believe in investing in their business.

psyko514 11-28-2003 03:09 AM

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Originally posted by TheSmutPeddlerDOTcom
Wouldn't use it, unless it was free, then maybe.
At the very least, it should be very cheap.

chemicaleyes 11-28-2003 03:09 AM

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Originally posted by TheSmutPeddlerDOTcom
Wouldn't use it, unless it was free, then maybe.
cheap?

chemicaleyes 11-28-2003 03:11 AM

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Originally posted by psyko514


At the very least, it should be very cheap.

cheap, not very cheap, you want a quality service that saves you a shitload of time for free?

$5 submissions 11-28-2003 03:13 AM

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Originally posted by psyko514


At the very least, it should be very cheap.

Kinda makes one wonder how many people truly realize that time = money and opportunity lost due to time lost = money lost.

chemicaleyes 11-28-2003 03:16 AM

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Kinda makes one wonder how many people truly realize that time = money and opportunity lost due to time lost = money lost.
Well said. :thumbsup

- AFN - 11-30-2003 04:45 PM

I am just starting a new niche tgp and definitely would welcome this service....as long as the descriptions don't get oversaturated.

Good business model, the descripts have "fixed lives" so people come back for more.

Just remember to price it cheap enough that a webmaster would thing that doing it themselves would be too much of a hassle.:2 cents:

IntenseCash 11-30-2003 05:06 PM

sounds like a cool idea. probably worth trying.

Quotealex 11-30-2003 06:55 PM

I would pay to have each link with an unique description and number of pic in one line. it would have to be delivered in a text format and by category tho.

Gemini 11-30-2003 07:28 PM

I do descriptions all the time, exclusive and non exclusive. Its not too bad. ;-) When I first started, I looked at them for hours on different tgp's etc. Have to love the ones written by the non English speakers. lol (first language)

Quotealex 11-30-2003 08:01 PM

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Originally posted by Gemini
I do descriptions all the time, exclusive and non exclusive. Its not too bad. ;-) When I first started, I looked at them for hours on different tgp's etc. Have to love the ones written by the non English speakers. lol (first language)
I find it kind of hard when in one sitting you have to find unque description for 500 sponsors galleries and many of these galleries look the same:winkwink:

- AFN - 11-30-2003 11:04 PM

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Originally posted by Gemini
I do descriptions all the time, exclusive and non exclusive. Its not too bad. ;-) When I first started, I looked at them for hours on different tgp's etc. Have to love the ones written by the non English speakers. lol (first language)
But that doesn't justify paying over 10 cents each for such easy work.

Quotealex 12-02-2003 04:29 PM

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Originally posted by - AFN -


But that doesn't justify paying over 10 cents each for such easy work.

Even 10 cents seem expensive. I would pay 1$/20 text descriptions, not much more.

chemicaleyes 12-02-2003 04:32 PM

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Originally posted by Alex from Montreal


Even 10 cents seem expensive. I would pay 1$/20 text descriptions, not much more.

you should stick to doing it yourself then :2 cents:

- AFN - 12-02-2003 05:46 PM

So when's this service going to get ready? Im ready!!! I just need to be freed up from the daily hassle of writing descriptions. What's good about this is the moment I buy it, I don't have to worry about it cuz its stored in my tgp's database.

Groove 12-02-2003 08:01 PM

Well the concensus seems to be that this is a fantasic idea provided that
a unique description is not sold more than 10 times.

sacX 12-02-2003 08:14 PM

i'd like a list of descriptions for hosted galleries.. i don't really care if its done the rounds..

anyone who wants to sell me on icq: 739765

Groove 12-02-2003 08:41 PM

Just had a thought... If you wrote say 10 descriptions for each gallery, you could assign descriptions randomly so that no 2 webmasters had an identical set of descriptions. Using this system, a visitor traded to another TGP using this service would see 90% unique descriptions.

This approach would be more work up front. But it would be much easier to administer since you wouldn't need to track how many times the gallery had been sold and you wouldn't need to constantly add new descriptions for old galleries. So once you'd completed the initial setup, you could focus all of your energies on locating and distributing fresh new galleries.

A similar service supplying quality submitted galleries would also be extremely attractive :glugglug

- AFN - 12-02-2003 08:47 PM

Its a good idea. The key is to prevent repetition.


Quote:

Originally posted by Groove
Just had a thought... If you wrote say 10 descriptions for each gallery, you could assign descriptions randomly so that no 2 webmasters had an identical set of descriptions. Using this system, a visitor traded to another TGP using this service would see 90% unique descriptions.

This approach would be more work up front. But it would be much easier to administer since you wouldn't need to track how many times the gallery had been sold and you wouldn't need to constantly add new descriptions for old galleries. So once you'd completed the initial setup, you could focus all of your energies on locating and distributing fresh new galleries.

A similar service supplying quality submitted galleries would also be extremely attractive :glugglug


$5 submissions 12-02-2003 09:22 PM

This might work.


Quote:

Originally posted by Groove
Just had a thought... If you wrote say 10 descriptions for each gallery, you could assign descriptions randomly so that no 2 webmasters had an identical set of descriptions. Using this system, a visitor traded to another TGP using this service would see 90% unique descriptions.

This approach would be more work up front. But it would be much easier to administer since you wouldn't need to track how many times the gallery had been sold and you wouldn't need to constantly add new descriptions for old galleries. So once you'd completed the initial setup, you could focus all of your energies on locating and distributing fresh new galleries.

A similar service supplying quality submitted galleries would also be extremely attractive :glugglug


Groove 12-02-2003 09:40 PM

Also, when you take into account that on any given day most TGPs will be serving a different sub-set of galleries from the total pool and that many will also be using submitted galleries, the description duplication when comparing one TGP to another should be much less than 10%. And any duplication less than 10% should be nothing to worry about :2 cents:

$5 submissions 12-02-2003 09:42 PM

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Originally posted by Groove
Also, when you take into account that on any given day most TGPs will be serving a different sub-set of galleries from the total pool and that many will also be using submitted galleries, the description duplication when comparing one TGP to another should be much less than 10%. And any duplication less than 10% should be nothing to worry about :2 cents:
Great points, Adam! There's definitely advantages here for both "off the shelf" customers and Custom customers.

Groove 12-02-2003 09:47 PM

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Originally posted by $5 submissions
Great points, Adam! There's definitely advantages here for both "off the shelf" customers and Custom customers.
How would you apply the concept to "Custom customers"?
Surely they'd just get totally unique descriptions?


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