blah blah blah we see all that on the news too. Do you watch any of it or are you just guessing ?

We get body counts every day and everytime an american is killed we hear about it 5 seconds later.

We see the suffering of the iraqi's as well but we are also smart enough to know that the suffering is less than the dictatorship that they previously went thru.

You anti-american scum have only one agenda and thats too spin everything around to make americans look bad , all for the same reason. BECAUSE OF YOUR JEALOUSY.

Nobody claimed to be perfect but at least the americans are actually doing something about it instead of hiding their heads in the sand like everyone else while terrorists figure out how to ruin the world.

UM did you see 9/11 on the news ? do you understand that these people would rather kill the whole world than let the americans live in peace. ?

The americans step in when someone is on the verge of ruining the earth , and thats exactly what they did.

And yes to answer your question , if one dictator is fucking up a whole nation then yes the americans are giving you people a warning they will step in and put a stop to it PERIOD , why because they are the most powerfull nation on earth. And have an obligation to share democracy and peace with the rest of the world.

You write a lot, say a lot, but nothing is backed up: no source ( aside from some iraqi ).

Post links or studies about the " more food theory"... or shut up.

Who are " these people "...

Oh yes, I forgot: the 9/11 terrorist were Iraqis,,,

You are clueless...:1orglaugh

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Going into Rwanda soon ( 3 millions deads ) ?

The rest is the same clueless crap.

I see that makes perfect sense. The media lies to people to sell more commercials.

Your facts on european tv stations are totally inaccurate.

Your facts on american tv are even more inaccurate.

Do you watch american tv ?. NO you said you gave your tv away.

Do you think america only has cnn ?? we have hundreds and hundreds of channels with each their own spin on things.

Guess what , people in america make fun of cnn too .

You learned what german tv wanted you to learn. Other than that you havent learned much at all.

Try using more than one source for your media and understand why democracy works and why we dont all fall into the same trap the third world countries do.

Yes they were paid by iraqi's just as saddam paid the families of every suicide bomber that blew up innocent jewish families.

get your facts straight pal before you spew more crap that we already know.

I watched iraqi's throwing away food drops that the u.n. gave out because they didnt like the taste of it. Gee that sounds like starving people to me.

I see reports everday about iraq and i dont see any starving people.

The sanctions on iraq are lifted and i see food pouring across the borders.

FACT FACT FACT now show me the facts that backup your poor starving iraqi's theory.

Well...I saw an hour long report a week or so ago that basically...took one on a tour around Baghdad. There was traffic on the streets...many expensive cars...the outdoor shops were overloaded with food...of all types...the stores were open...and many of them had quality jewerly...quality western apparrel...appliances etc...and the reporter stopped in a Juice cafe and had a Juice prepared and the Juice cafe seemed to be doing a good business. All of the Iraqi's in the shops and on the streets were openly friendly...all were well dressed and appeared to be quite well fed. The only concern they expressed to the reporter was the criminal element that was on the loose and many of them either stayed the night or had someone stay the night in their businesses to guard against the criminal element. The damage around Baghdad was minimal in the sense that the majority of buildings...stores...etc. were in tact. Bottom line Baghdad appeared to be alive...and thriving.

You should call the CIA NOW and give them that info... They were under the impression that it was Saudis...

But they have soi lousy intelligence... to compare to yours....

WHAT A TALKING IDIOT YOU ARE...

Show your proofs...



EVERY suicide bombers paid by Saddam... You are living in a Meth world... go get another dose... fast.

Nope im sure cnn just staged all that, they brought in americans painted their faces brown and gave them all food then took it all away after the show was finished. LOL

Gee i saw the same reports and not once did i see any starving iraqi's with malnourished children running around. Imagine that.

I get my news from just about everywhere: Media in Scandinavia, USA, Germany, France, Italy, etc, etc. For example, I can see the skirmishes between USA and France/Germany from BOTH sides by reading stuff both in American and French/German newspapers and magazines.

Yes - I gave my TV away - Internet is so much better - and books and printed news make you think more than watching the tube.

I got one hour of coherent news: What happened - what was the background, etc and not this incessant "We have to take a commercial break, stay tuned".

I guess your media is leaving out some of the facts eh. I guess your not nearly as informed as you thought you were.

Saddam admitted paying suicide bombers to kill innocent jewish families.

The passports of the actual bombers have nothing to do with who was behind it. or why.

They were trained in syria and iraq among other places.

WHAT an ill informed jealous moron you are.

News flash...you are not in a decision making position...the administration has left you out of the loop. Of course you can decide to take your many complaints to the voting booth.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/03/25/1017004766310.html



Saddam stokes war with suicide bomber cash
March 26 2002


The Iraqi leader's payments to the families of dead Palestinian terrorists means more trouble for Yasser Arafat, writes Paul McGeough in the West Bank.


The hall was packed and the intake of breath was audible as a special announcement was made to the war widows of the West Bank - Saddam Hussein would pay $US25,000 ($47,000) to the family of each suicide bomber as an enticement for others to volunteer for martyrdom in the name of the Palestinian people.

Question...is your News Media more honest than...Canada's News Media...or the Great Britains BBC...or is it that Holland has the only truely reliable News Media?

The wife and children of John O'Neill, who died in the attack on the World Trade Center, allege that Iraq began communicating with al Qaeda as early as 1992, provided training to Osama bin Laden's warriors and sent intelligence agents to work with the terror network in Afghanistan.


The evidence, the sources said, includes statements by Iraqi defectors and al Qaeda prisoners that Iraqi intelligence provided al Qaeda with training in document forgery and chemical and biological weapons in a series of contacts that spiked in 1996, and again after 1998.

In its lawsuit, which was filed quietly last month in U.S. District Court, the O'Neill family says its information was gleaned from documents uncovered in Afghanistan and Iraq as recently as a few months ago, as well as information from interrogations of al Qaeda and Iraqi prisoners.

:thumbsup i think this is the point that this guy doesnt get. You need to take ALL the sources COLLECTIVLY to have an INFORMED decision not just watch one government sponsored tv show and repeat it as if it were the only one out there

FYI, I have 250 stations on Direct YV aside from my local 60 stations... and you?

Saddam has offered... I pointed out your "EVERY" : you obviously didn;t notice the caps, so now it is bold...

LOL! They mostly came from Saudia Arabia, that either dioesn't count

Source of training in Iraq??? Do a google...

Not jealous at all, to the contrary.


Now for your food crap:

Yes that about sums up your whole argument you watched one hour of tv and thought that you were well informed.

Then you gave away your tv because the internet is more reliable .

Have you read anything that was posted here ?

Try doing that instead of promoting your anti-american agenda.

I have the same tv you do as we live rather close.

Saddam offered EVERY suicide bomber cash to kill innocent people yes. ( im not sure why you re stated what i already told you but yes he did and he did it on national tv as well

Your food quote stated my point exactly thanks for again offering the same thing i already stated . Iraqis get more food now than they did before.

I already posted above about al-queda camps in iraq try reading it or do a google search yourself. oh my look at all the sources. even the great bbc.

Start reading the facts and stop spouting your anti-american crud.

You dont have to like america to actually read the facts.

I dont like alot of things that america does , but that doesnt mean i make up lies to try and make them look bad. You should try reading and paying attention to those 300+ channels you get and stop ignoring the obvious.

not supporting the war is not anti-american. It's anti *THIS* administration. There is not less terrorism in the world now than there was pre-911 (awaits theking to mention no CONUS attacks).

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02:49 PM rooster

No but making up lies to support your theory is anti-american , and so far i have seen plenty of lies . go read up this thread i posted facts on everything i have said. i have yet to see any of you ANTI-AMERICAN scum post anything but a bbc page with nothing to do with food.

The food argument is over look up nobody has offered one starving iraqi story yet.

The saddam link to al-queda is also posted above

The saddam paying bombers to blow up jewish families source was also posted above, and well known to informed people.

I think you anti-american scum have been proven wrong on every point so far.

And also have shown nothing but slander and third-party government run news paraquotes to support your agenda.

It all boils down to this. YOUR JEALOUS GET OVER IT.

Move to america or quit crying like a bunch of babies

Nobody claimed there was.

Angry jealous people react when they are overthrown . That is why we have seen an increase in terrorism.

I dont think these days will end soon either , but instead of waiting and hoping americans are DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

If we waited for the u.n. to react we would all be sucking back al-queda juice by now.

Your past your bedtime... Kneel down, do your prayer to Georgie an get a good night sleep to be in scholl tomorrow....

Point to lies...

Point to your Posted facts

PS: How to use the internet:

- Enter URL in browser
- Press ENTER
- Look at page
- Go to near bottom, where it says: Life in Iraq
Living conditions and reconstruction needs
- Click on open. New window opens. Read and click to get to next page. Do that till page 8. rtead about Food and the great conditions of life.


PS: YES BBC lies, you don't...lol

PS: The TV stations I get have nothing to do how " close" we may live. It is satellite (DTV) ...

That is my position...I too do not like alot of things that America does...but I have little tolerance for those America haters and bashers that are mis-informed and post half truths...or total BS...and I have zero tolerance for the haters that are jealous of America being the richest most powerful nation the world has ever known. Though they deny it...it is pure jealousy...and it comes across nine by nine. Damn...am I glad that I do not live in an insignificant country like Holland.

Herew are some lies or half truth, reported by an arab newspaper situated in a terrorist camp:

"THe Boston Globe"

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...11_challenged/

Show me a link of your fairy tale that Iraq was responsible, behing, sponsor or whatever you want to call it ( I know you TheKing with your precise word playing.. when it suits you)...

Tell that to the citizens of Istanbul. Wonder what arguments recruiters are using to get new suicide bombers?

seriously, you are deluded if you think anti-war people are jealous of the United States.

You can't go on any one media outlet, no matter what country they are in... All of those companies adopt the slant that their owner holds. Pure and simple. Their editors see to it that every word holds with that angle or they are no linger employed. Its been that way for hundreds of years.

2 pages of bickering over what country is right, whe truth to tell is no one country COULD be right. Just listen to the same days news from 2-3-4 stations in your own city....

Explain to me where in my post do you draw that inferrence? Seriously...do you and Centurion share a commonality? A comprehension problem. Read what I posted...not what you think I posted.

Did the fucking news in Europe display the burning oil wells as Iraq fled Kuwait?

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who gives a fuck? of course they did.

you were thinking it :winkwink:. Perhaps I should have quoted Smokey instead.

Wrong...I personally have never known a person in my life that is not "anti war"...including myself. I have engaged in three different combat operations...which includes the 1st Gulf War and I am particularly "anti war"...but being "anti war" does not mean that there is never a justification for war. I am of the opinion that the global war on "terroists" that was declared by the US after 9/11 is justified and it is my opinion that Iraq is a part and extention of the global war.

Smokey the Bear = The King/Pathfinder?

Your nic is appropriate.

Daaahm...so much stuff here..almost don't know where to start.
Ok..FOR STARTERS..you is saying it was Iraq that attacked us on 9/11/02? This IS what you mean by "these people" don't you?

Or are you being a racist and saying this about ALL Arabs?

Either way..what fucked thinking on your part!

Let's see..we have 130,000 combat troops in Iraq and are stretched so thin NOW..we're calling up the National Guard.

Just WHERE do you propose we get the manpower, firepower, and MONEY to take over 3/4 of the rest of the world to "make it safe for democracy"?

We have an OBLIGATION TO SHARE DEMOCRACY. "Excuse noble people of this ancient land as we kill your leaders and put those that disagree with us in prison. It's our OBLIGATION to overthrow your government and force OUR way of life & government on you!


Just where the FUCK did that "Obligation" come from? The Constitution? The Bible? Rush Limbaugh?

Ok Dude..you just hung yourself (and I'm not talking about your dick size!) with this post.

Just where did you get such exceptional information that the Iraqi's paid for 9/11?

Come on you coward..bet you don't answer this question. WHERE is the proof to back your statement? Post that..or are you truly the pussy you purport to be!

And of course, this ONE TOUR proves the REST of Iraq is just like what you saw on this tour.

So if I took you through Beverly Hills, I could say "The rest of California, including South Central L.A. is just like this!"?

Give me a fuckin' break.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh THIS is your "source": The wife & children of someone killed in the World Trade Center?

Hold the presses..the fucking CIA got it all wrong again!!


P.S. Did you know that Osama bin Laden HATED Hussein and was actually admonishing the Iraqi people to get rid of him?

Smokey The Bear....theking you have some people here that can watch or listen 2 the news and hear what ever they want 2 hear.

You might as well go outside find a pile of rocks and talk to it, because these people sure as hell are dumber.

You...of course...are wrong again.

You could say that...but of course...you would be wrong again.

When did your friend Osama provide you with this information...was it recently?

You are correct...except for one instance...Centurion would have to increase his IQ level by two points to be dumber than a rock.

You must be busy...I don't see you post often.

u dum fuck,
bin ladin hated hussein but said he would ignore it because he hated the usa much more.