ATT claims patent on secure 3rd party internet transactions, sues Pay Pal - GoFuckYourself.com

Mr.Fiction · 11-20-2003, 05:26 PM

AT&T Sues EBay in Patent Dispute

AT&T said its patent covers transactions in which an intermediary securely processes payments over a communications system such as the Internet.

The long-distance company asked the court for a permanent injunction preventing eBay and PayPal from using the technology. It also asked for the profits and revenues the companies gained from its use, and an award of compensatory damages.

http://www.wired.com/news/business/0...w=wn_tophead_5

Another fucked up broad patent.

BRISK · 11-20-2003, 05:27 PM

arial · 11-20-2003, 05:30 PM

Yeah just read that, what's next?

Catalinas · 11-20-2003, 05:39 PM

This is getting ridiculous!

LiveDose · 11-20-2003, 05:48 PM

the internet is getting silly...

BTW fuck acacia!

Furious_Male · 11-20-2003, 05:50 PM

The future of big business. Stay alive via the legal system. The wild west sue or be sued.

SiMpLe · 11-20-2003, 05:52 PM

This is really getting out of hand with the patent crap - wtf?

goBigtime · 11-20-2003, 06:00 PM

If Ebay/Paypal loses, Ibill/Intercept would probably be a target as well since they are publicly traded....

BRISK · 11-20-2003, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by goBigtime
If Ebay/Paypal loses, Ibill/Intercept would probably be a target as well since they are publicly traded....

Why would being publicly traded have anything to do with being a target?

goBigtime · 11-20-2003, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BRISK

Why would being publicly traded have anything to do with being a target?

Your financial statements are public - less teeth pulling to get the true numbers.

If they went after CCbill they would probably have to do a bunch of legal dances in order to find out how much they make.

FightThisPatent · 11-20-2003, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Furious_Male
The future of big business. Stay alive via the legal system. The wild west sue or be sued.

Who is going to fight against all this patent abuse?

ACLU? - nope, they deal with constitutional issues

EFF.org? - nope, too busy with other stuff, etc..

IMPA? - maybe, if people become members

Fight the Patent Foundation - just a concept and most likely will never be more than an idea.

FTC? - in time...don't forget they are a government office.

Fight the Nobody!

pornJester · 11-20-2003, 06:08 PM

damn, this patent shit doesn't end.

Shoehorn! · 11-20-2003, 06:11 PM

Complete BS

BRISK · 11-20-2003, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by goBigtime

Your financial statements are public - less teeth pulling to get the true numbers.

If they went after CCbill they would probably have to do a bunch of legal dances in order to find out how much they make.

It doesn't matter how much a company makes, if a company is serious about defending their patent I'm sure they wouldn't limit themselves to just public companies.

Gemini · 11-20-2003, 06:14 PM

At this rate the net will be dead inside of 5 years. If this is allowed to continue this way. They need to find some middleground or another.

Ironhorse · 11-20-2003, 06:15 PM

What the fuck!! Let's fuck up the economy some more. Greedy bastards never learn their lesson, thousands of years go by and still..

Volantt · 11-20-2003, 06:15 PM

Crap, I think patents should never been issued to "Business Methods" and just stuck with actual inventions!!

V

thetrog · 11-20-2003, 06:16 PM

Unfuckingbelievable!

Mr Pheer · 11-20-2003, 07:09 PM

THIS IS YOUR SIGN!!

empty your paypal account
If they get that injunction, I'm betting that paypal will hold ALL funds

BlackCrayon · 11-20-2003, 07:16 PM

you wouldn't expect someone as big as AT&T to sink to such levels to make money. makes me fear the future. got a bad quarter? sue someone!

Fugly · 11-20-2003, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LiveDose
the internet is getting silly...

BTW fuck acacia!

It certainly is.

Why · 11-20-2003, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fugly

It certainly is.

your fucked up man, thats not even cool. i would kick your fucking ass over that site.

i have family that is handicapped.

twistyneck · 11-20-2003, 07:46 PM

As of tomorrow I will no longer use AT&T for our long distance company and I'll send them a letter telling them why. I doubt if they will give a rat's ass but I'll do it anyway.

Monique Niccole · 11-20-2003, 07:48 PM

This is what happens when technology advances faster than the law.

icedemon · 11-20-2003, 08:17 PM

Here is the patent number 5,329,589
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...S=PN/5,329,589

gornyhuy · 11-20-2003, 08:21 PM

This is great news for people who hold network-related business process/technology patents...

not saying I know anyone like that .

oh MAN what a precedent this will set if it goes through successfully.

FightThisPatent · 11-20-2003, 08:25 PM

AT&T has been awarded (as of Nov. 4th) a patent on a common technique used by spammers to evade spam filters.

http://news.earthweb.com/IAR/article.php/3111281

So conspiracy theorists can ponder.. will AT&T use this patent to sue spammers for patent infringement?

Recently approved patent:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...S=PN/6,643,686

Fight the Spamming!

icedemon · 11-20-2003, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FightThisPatent
AT&T has been awarded (as of Nov. 4th) a patent on a common technique used by spammers to evade spam filters.

http://news.earthweb.com/IAR/article.php/3111281

So conspiracy theorists can ponder.. will AT&T use this patent to sue spammers for patent infringement?

Recently approved patent:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...S=PN/6,643,686

Fight the Spamming!

You would think that AT&T would actually do that. Suing eBay and PayPal is just going to alienate the customers of those businesses and cause AT&T to be very much disliked. AT&T will just lose money and customers going after eBay/PayPal

FightThisPatent · 11-20-2003, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by icedemon

AT&T will just lose money and customers going after eBay/PayPal

ya, but if PayPal accepts the patent license and passes the costs onto the consumer.. AT&T will make lots of money to offset the decreasing margins on lost long distance calls.....

the end result, consumers carry the burden by having higher transaction costs.

so prior art would need to be credit card transactions done in BBS days.. probably not that hard to find...tho, i have not dissected the patent nor the patent claims nor will I...busy enough just with audio/video patents

Fight the Transaction Fees!

myjah · 11-22-2003, 11:10 AM

there should be a time limit on how long you can wait until you sue someone. i think in this case AT&T should be timed out.

pornguy · 11-22-2003, 01:56 PM

All of these companies are pointing fingers and calling names. Just watch what is going to happen to AT&T they just got a patent for an anti- antispam program.. Now why do you think they would need that????

to all of them!

ltl · 11-23-2003, 08:06 AM

If anyone is interested - it seems this may be a worldwide patent. I checked as I was considering the consequences if they went after card processors. Here's the European patent number: EP0501697. You can look it up here:

http://www.espacenet.com/access.htm

If this patent is not overturned and AT&T start pursuing it aggressively with card processors and their license fees are extortionate the situation could turn very nasty quite quickly - particularly if you rely on your liveliehood from your Internet business!

A lot of if's in the above but I think if you have a family to support and this is your only income you should consider that now is perhaps the time to diversify?

11-20-2003, 05:26 PM	#1
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	ATT claims patent on secure 3rd party internet transactions, sues Pay Pal AT&T Sues EBay in Patent Dispute AT&T said its patent covers transactions in which an intermediary securely processes payments over a communications system such as the Internet. The long-distance company asked the court for a permanent injunction preventing eBay and PayPal from using the technology. It also asked for the profits and revenues the companies gained from its use, and an award of compensatory damages. http://www.wired.com/news/business/0...w=wn_tophead_5 Another fucked up broad patent.

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Monique Niccole Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: San Francisco Posts: 5,653	This is what happens when technology advances faster than the law.

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11-23-2003, 08:06 AM	#32
ltl Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 34	If anyone is interested - it seems this may be a worldwide patent. I checked as I was considering the consequences if they went after card processors. Here's the European patent number: EP0501697. You can look it up here: http://www.espacenet.com/access.htm If this patent is not overturned and AT&T start pursuing it aggressively with card processors and their license fees are extortionate the situation could turn very nasty quite quickly - particularly if you rely on your liveliehood from your Internet business! A lot of if's in the above but I think if you have a family to support and this is your only income you should consider that now is perhaps the time to diversify?