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toddler · 11-22-2003, 04:45 PM

http://money.cnn.com/2003/11/22/tech...ex.htm?cnn=yes

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Why · 11-22-2003, 04:45 PM

weve seen that, and arent worried.... thanks.

Joetanto · 11-22-2003, 04:45 PM

this is great news to the legit mailers

spamofon · 11-22-2003, 04:59 PM

bring it on

gin · 11-22-2003, 05:03 PM

if that did that.. that seriously would be the stupidest thing they could do.. think about it.. goto a url and get 500 million or more 100% valid emails.. what could they do if all of a sudden 500+ spammers started blasting the lists and on the bottom of the email put "thanks to the people at donotmail.gov we can deliver you these special offers, if you would like to be removed click here"

ytcracker · 11-22-2003, 05:06 PM

i want to buy the 5 who voted no lunch

gin · 11-22-2003, 05:09 PM

if that's the best they can come up with.. they are in trouble.. my predictions are.. donotmail.gov will start.. the list will get to be 500 million emails.. every spammer will have that list.. then donotmail.gov will collapse just like donotcall.gov and every spammer will love it

CAHEK · 11-22-2003, 05:25 PM

spam rules !

Adulter · 11-22-2003, 05:36 PM

SomeCreep · 11-22-2003, 07:58 PM

spammers dont care about laws

acctman · 11-22-2003, 08:03 PM

screw the US they don't own the internet.

p.s. i'm an american... screwed up country we have here.

StupidFuckingWhore · 11-22-2003, 08:05 PM

i wanna learn how to become a mailer, anyone wanna help?

Why · 11-22-2003, 08:11 PM

the do not call list was a good idea. but it was labeled unconstitutional. something some of the antis should look at in the argument about spam, both are annoying marketing techniques, but are legal, and the highest courts in the land have said so.

the do not call list was effect because you had to call in yourself from your phone. with email that is not so plausable, because if i had a really kick ass email list that i dont want others to mail. i could write a quick and dirty little script to hit thier [email protected] with every single email on the list. and what then?

furthurmore, do people want to pay more taxs to fight this rather then do something about it themselfs? the man hour it would take to administrat such a thing is monumental. plus a quick little look into the past anti-spam sites shows they get taken offline by people that cant be traced.... i hate to admit it. but there are people in this world that dont fear the US government and would ddos that donotmail.gov site and take it offline.

let alone the bandwidth bill of letting every spamer in the world download lists of 20million+ entries. or they could make the spammers send in thier lists, and let them get scrubbed by the government.... like thats gonna happen, and if it does. ill be first inline applying for that job, and borrowing all the lists

at present this is just not a plausible method of stopping spam.

editted for spelling, sorry. im high.

Gemini · 11-22-2003, 08:19 PM

donotcall.gov is alive and working fine! Our phones went from sometimes 100 rings a day to some days NONE! (unknown caller etc) Average unknown calls are maybe 2 now. So it worked for that.

Emails? They'll have to set up filters somehow to prevent mass mailings from out of the US getting thru and of course all the dirtball US guys spamming via North Korea.

Why · 11-22-2003, 08:21 PM

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Originally posted by Gemini
donotcall.gov is alive and working fine! Our phones went from sometimes 100 rings a day to some days NONE! (unknown caller etc) Average unknown calls are maybe 2 now. So it worked for that.

Emails? They'll have to set up filters somehow to prevent mass mailings from out of the US getting thru and of course all the dirtball US guys spamming via North Korea.

i never signed up for it. i have a cell phone. only company thats called me so far was AOL. but thats cause it was listed on my aol account. told them never to call me again. and they never have.

CAHEK · 11-22-2003, 08:28 PM

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Originally posted by StupidFuckingWhore
i wanna learn how to become a mailer, anyone wanna help?

sure...icq me

Radik · 11-22-2003, 08:31 PM

I own a isp; with a traditional client base.. I can tell ya i'm pissed the fuck off with spam..

I could careless personaly but when a parent calls up to scream about underage porn in her mailbox it's a whole other matter....

I've had clients just quit or give up on email.. when people on the net setup blacklists fucken spammers ddos them.

Thanks for screwing your global community..
At the very least stop sending the underage stuff for christ sakes.

imho..

toddler · 11-22-2003, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Radik
I own a isp; with a traditional client base.. I can tell ya i'm pissed the fuck off with spam..

I could careless personaly but when a parent calls up to scream about underage porn in her mailbox it's a whole other matter....

I've had clients just quit or give up on email.. when people on the net setup blacklists fucken spammers ddos them.

Thanks for screwing your global community..
At the very least stop sending the underage stuff for christ sakes.

imho..

Being a postmaster for an f100 company, i couldn't agree more. The volume of spam that we block is astounding.

playa · 11-22-2003, 10:26 PM

My only problem is getting the government involved always means bad news. Something bad always happens

Phoenix66 · 11-23-2003, 01:08 AM

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Originally posted by Radik

I've had clients just quit or give up on email.. when people on the net setup blacklists fucken spammers ddos them.

That's sick. But you are not right. Spamcop and several other services provide blacklist databases, and they run fine.

BTW - for those of you, who have TGP/CJ with massive traffic - you can just hotlink the spammwertized site, if nothing else works. Just make sure it's not a doorway on freehost.

brand0n · 11-23-2003, 01:11 AM

yea lets make spam against the law, that worked really well with cocaine and herion.....

supply and demand. simple math. deductive logic. = spam will be here for ever.

am i wrong?

Phoenix66 · 11-23-2003, 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by brand0n
yea lets make spam against the law, that worked really well with cocaine and herion.....

supply and demand. simple math. deductive logic. = spam will be here for ever.

am i wrong?

Spam is not even close to cocaine from the point of profitability.

And actually, there is a very simple way to stop it. The problem is that e-mailing is very cheap. Make it more expencive, and spam will die without any additional regulations.

brand0n · 11-23-2003, 01:40 AM

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Originally posted by Phoenix66

Spam is not even close to cocaine from the point of profitability.

And actually, there is a very simple way to stop it. The problem is that e-mailing is very cheap. Make it more expencive, and spam will die without any additional regulations.

i know spammers who make far more then coke dealers.

kmanrox · 11-23-2003, 01:41 AM

i guess you missed the bills the house passed that would actually legalize spam earlier this year?

i guess you other people also missed that the cheapness of spam is only part of the equation, people like me and a thousand other ppl with enough money to spam even if it got expensive still exist...

it ain't going away... it can't go away.... learn to live with it... embrace it...

BlackCrayon · 11-23-2003, 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by brand0n
yea lets make spam against the law, that worked really well with cocaine and herion.....

supply and demand. simple math. deductive logic. = spam will be here for ever.

am i wrong?

i'd like to meet a spam addict

fuzebox · 11-23-2003, 01:46 AM

A lot of our customers don't pay for virus scanning yet (we provide a full range of email services, such as hosted imap/pop, virus scanning, mailing lists, etc), but in October we stopped 11,279,234 spams from reaching our customers, which accounts for 72% of their email. Of that maybe 600 were let through (less than 0.001%), and 70 were incorrectly labeled spam (but were saved in an easy to access location each company's administrator goes through once a week).

The numbers are more astounding if you look at stats for the past year, and the associated bandwidth charges.

smack · 11-23-2003, 02:11 AM

i'm going to put this in simplest possible terms so everyone can understand them.

UNTIL THE DAY, THAT PEOPLE STOP BUYING PRODUCTS FROM SPAM, SPAM WILL NOT GO AWAY.

thank you, that is all.

Swanks · 11-23-2003, 04:15 AM

This is actually somewhat good news to most of us. This along with a few of the other laws passed throughout the past year help most of us that are responsible mailers more than they hurt us. I was working with a buddy on a national no spam database program that was converting like cake while cleaning up mailing. In the end though my partner was a punk ass con artisit and fucked me and affiliates over.. With this new law and supposed nospam list you can only imagine what kind of dough could be made [i]now[/] from a program like this.

Tipsy · 11-23-2003, 04:22 AM

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Originally posted by Phoenix66

That's sick. But you are not right. Spamcop and several other services provide blacklist databases, and they run fine.

You're so very, very wrong there. The spamhaus et al blacklists are an even bigger pain in the ass than the fucking idiot spammers themselves. Being too lazy or too dumb to run a proper blacklist and chucking out whole chunks of the Internet is not the way to go. It truly does make e-mail unusable. The spammers may for the most part be dumb scum but the Spamhaus type organisations truly make e-mail pointless.

Phoenix66 · 11-23-2003, 06:23 AM

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Originally posted by Tipsy

You're so very, very wrong there. The spamhaus et al blacklists are an even bigger pain in the ass than the fucking idiot spammers themselves. Being too lazy or too dumb to run a proper blacklist and chucking out whole chunks of the Internet is not the way to go. It truly does make e-mail unusable. The spammers may for the most part be dumb scum but the Spamhaus type organisations truly make e-mail pointless.

I only said they are not being ddosed. I did not mean they are cool. But since you touched this, I say that I do not agree with you. They are not cool, but they are not that bad.

Actually, I do some small mailers from time to time - just notifications to my registered customers about updates. And trust me - only one time I noticed I got into spamcop database and I was cleared out of there after I run their open relay check. But I got banned with different small (sometimes big) e-mail service providers all the time. I can't write to them all each time. This is what really stupid. I push 800 e-mails once or twice per month and they ban me because 2 or 3 addresses happen to be on the same provider - they consider it spam when they see 2-3 similar emails to their different addresses in line.

I would be much more happy if there was only one good global blacklist which everyone would be using. Would be much easier to shut a spammer down and much easier to get off the blacklist if you accidentally got there.

Phoenix66 · 11-23-2003, 06:33 AM

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Originally posted by kmanrox

i guess you other people also missed that the cheapness of spam is only part of the equation, people like me and a thousand other ppl with enough money to spam even if it got expensive still exist...

Yes, you can have enough money to send spam, but if you don't return the costs, I'm sure you'll stop it very soon. Snail mail spam exists, but it's not that annoying as e-mail spam. And the reason is simple - one snail mail costs at least several dimes. There is not need to make e-mail that expensive to stop spam. I think just 1 cent per e-mail delivery would kill spam. Dig through posts on this board and see the numbers - they send 1 mil e-mails and get $500-$1000 of profit. Make its cost 1 cent per e-mail and they will loose $9000 instead.

Even 0.1 cent per e-mail would be enough - I'm sure there would some brilliant spammers left, but they are not that annoying as a bunch of stupid assholes who think if they got a shitty cheap spamware and internet access they can conquer the world spamming.

Tipsy · 11-23-2003, 06:45 AM

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Originally posted by Phoenix66

I only said they are not being ddosed. I did not mean they are cool. But since you touched this, I say that I do not agree with you. They are not cool, but they are not that bad....

The problem with Spamhaus et al is not in banning individuals. It sounds like you have an IP block considered 'clean' by them. The problem stems from the fact that they are happy to ban BIG blocks of IP's because one of two spammers pop up in the middle of it. There may be several 100(1000?) other people in that block of IP's that would never even consider spamming. For those people it means that they cannot send e-mail to anyone unlucky to be on an ISP blind enough not to consider spamhaus a bad thing. For the people waiting for e-mail it means they never receive what may sometimes be important information.

The service is a great idea but simply implemented so very, very badly. All it really seems to achieve is to have little impact on the more prolific spammers but a huge impact on those using e-mail for legitimate means. The appeals system is a joke as is much of the rest of their 'technology'. Shame really.

For what it's worth I don't consider mass e-mailing per se spam. There are quite legitimate and very big mail lists people use. It's just a shame it's such a very, very small minority.

wsjb78 · 11-23-2003, 06:56 AM

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Originally posted by smack
UNTIL THE DAY, THAT PEOPLE STOP BUYING PRODUCTS FROM SPAM, SPAM WILL NOT GO AWAY.

Agreed!

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Phoenix66 · 11-23-2003, 08:24 AM

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Originally posted by Tipsy

The problem stems from the fact that they are happy to ban BIG blocks of IP's because one of two spammers pop up in the middle of it.

Yes, that can be a problem. But as far as I know they usually do this if an owner of IP block is a known host for spammers of spamware distributors. I.e. when not only couple of spammers pop up just for a moment, but plenty of them spamming away over and over from the same IP block. I believe there can be mistakes when they block entire IP block for nothing, but in most cases there are more essential reasons for ban. Indeed I'm sorry for the honest people who happen to be in the same IP space, especially when they even do not understand what's really happening.

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Originally posted by Tipsy
For what it's worth I don't consider mass e-mailing per se spam. There are quite legitimate and very big mail lists people use. It's just a shame it's such a very, very small minority.

Well, same with me. There are usefull mailers that people are willing to receive. But most of spam I'm getting into my e-mail boxes, and this is, by the way, 80% of my mail now

origins from forged addresses, Cina or some other third countries servers and/or use proxies/open relays. Many of them use my addresses I have not ever used at all (public contact e-mails I don't use for any subscribtions). No wonder I don't even try to use their removal link, because it probably exists only to confirm my address so they will be spamming more. I just report all them via SpamCop and to FTC, when I have time.

adultsolutions · 11-23-2003, 08:32 AM

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Originally posted by brand0n
i know spammers who make far more then coke dealers.

You know some good spammers, and shitty coke dealers, they are probably bigger addicts then sellers, that is comparing apples and oranges. Spam isnt something that will be stopped by any governing body. If its legal to do it through airmail, why the hell not through email. I get sent shit from credit card companies all day, things ive never asked for, IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THROW IT OUT, ITS NOT THAT HARD TO DO , people waste more time complaining, if they would just hit delete and not complain, im sure they would live longer. people spend so much time doing shit that is worthless.... make me sick....

BluntMatch · 11-23-2003, 08:32 AM

It's about time they did something about that! But it should only be for webmaster@ emails.... Cause unlike the rest of the world, they don't run their business with their EMail.

lol
............

BluntMatch · 11-23-2003, 09:11 AM

How would you charge per email? Explain this please.
Through every registrar??
I don't see it possible! I can't even think how it could be done.

Quote:

Originally posted by Phoenix66

Yes, you can have enough money to send spam, but if you don't return the costs, I'm sure you'll stop it very soon. Snail mail spam exists, but it's not that annoying as e-mail spam. And the reason is simple - one snail mail costs at least several dimes. There is not need to make e-mail that expensive to stop spam. I think just 1 cent per e-mail delivery would kill spam. Dig through posts on this board and see the numbers - they send 1 mil e-mails and get $500-$1000 of profit. Make its cost 1 cent per e-mail and they will loose $9000 instead.

Even 0.1 cent per e-mail would be enough - I'm sure there would some brilliant spammers left, but they are not that annoying as a bunch of stupid assholes who think if they got a shitty cheap spamware and internet access they can conquer the world spamming.

Phoenix66 · 11-23-2003, 04:14 PM

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Originally posted by BluntMatch
How would you charge per email? Explain this please.
Through every registrar??
I don't see it possible! I can't even think how it could be done.

Well, I was just dreaming

How can I seriously suppose this, if the existing e-mail delivery system allows forged addresses and other shit? Entire protocol must be rebuilt first, if you want to start doing something real against spammers. It may come to this, but it all must become much more worse before it starts getting any better.

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11-22-2003, 04:45 PM	#2
Why MFBA Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: PNW Posts: 7,230	weve seen that, and arent worried.... thanks.

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Joetanto So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: ICQ 306440898 Posts: 653	this is great news to the legit mailers

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11-22-2003, 05:03 PM	#5
gin Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 672	if that did that.. that seriously would be the stupidest thing they could do.. think about it.. goto a url and get 500 million or more 100% valid emails.. what could they do if all of a sudden 500+ spammers started blasting the lists and on the bottom of the email put "thanks to the people at donotmail.gov we can deliver you these special offers, if you would like to be removed click here"

11-22-2003, 05:09 PM	#7
gin Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 672	if that's the best they can come up with.. they are in trouble.. my predictions are.. donotmail.gov will start.. the list will get to be 500 million emails.. every spammer will have that list.. then donotmail.gov will collapse just like donotcall.gov and every spammer will love it

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Why MFBA Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: PNW Posts: 7,230	the do not call list was a good idea. but it was labeled unconstitutional. something some of the antis should look at in the argument about spam, both are annoying marketing techniques, but are legal, and the highest courts in the land have said so. the do not call list was effect because you had to call in yourself from your phone. with email that is not so plausable, because if i had a really kick ass email list that i dont want others to mail. i could write a quick and dirty little script to hit thier [email protected] with every single email on the list. and what then? furthurmore, do people want to pay more taxs to fight this rather then do something about it themselfs? the man hour it would take to administrat such a thing is monumental. plus a quick little look into the past anti-spam sites shows they get taken offline by people that cant be traced.... i hate to admit it. but there are people in this world that dont fear the US government and would ddos that donotmail.gov site and take it offline. let alone the bandwidth bill of letting every spamer in the world download lists of 20million+ entries. or they could make the spammers send in thier lists, and let them get scrubbed by the government.... like thats gonna happen, and if it does. ill be first inline applying for that job, and borrowing all the lists at present this is just not a plausible method of stopping spam. editted for spelling, sorry. im high.

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Radik Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Vancouver ICQ: 3588423 Posts: 808	I own a isp; with a traditional client base.. I can tell ya i'm pissed the fuck off with spam.. I could careless personaly but when a parent calls up to scream about underage porn in her mailbox it's a whole other matter.... I've had clients just quit or give up on email.. when people on the net setup blacklists fucken spammers ddos them. Thanks for screwing your global community.. At the very least stop sending the underage stuff for christ sakes. imho.. __________________ 100% Exclusive, Check Us Out!

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kmanrox aka K-Man Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Gutter Posts: 29,292	i guess you missed the bills the house passed that would actually legalize spam earlier this year? i guess you other people also missed that the cheapness of spam is only part of the equation, people like me and a thousand other ppl with enough money to spam even if it got expensive still exist... it ain't going away... it can't go away.... learn to live with it... embrace it... __________________ Crypto HODLr Crypto mining Angel investor

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11-23-2003, 02:11 AM	#27
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BluntMatch Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 380	It's about time they did something about that! But it should only be for webmaster@ emails.... Cause unlike the rest of the world, they don't run their business with their EMail. lol ............ Last edited by BluntMatch; 11-23-2003 at 08:37 AM..