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pornJester · 11-25-2003, 12:29 PM

50 MPA2's

OY · 11-25-2003, 12:45 PM

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Originally posted by pornJester
50 MPA2's

Its a lot more than that!

mryellow · 11-25-2003, 03:47 PM

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For any US corp. that has to comply to the VISA registration rules
we decided to help them out and pay that for them after the rule
took effect last fall. I think we were and are pretty nice for doing
just that. The price for the license was the same before VISA
came with their fees last fall.

So US entities get special treatment and pay less to you for
actual MPA2 setup. If you pay the Visa fees for US webmasters,
why not do something nice for non-US webmasters? Are we not
as special as US webmasters?

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PS. I think you accidentally had a 0 too little in the license fee
price - it is not $250 it is $2,500

$2,500 - (3 x $750) = $250

That means after your special offer to ONLY US webmasters you
only collect $250 for setup. Which makes your setup cost for US
webmasters.... um... $250.... While their Visa registration cost
remains the same as it would have been at $2,250.

While for non-US webmasters you collect $2,500 for setup ONLY.

As said above I'm sure US webmasters can pay their own Visa
fees and you can charge $250 setup. If that's out of the question
then at least make it fair and even.

I know you can see the logic.... It's easy to see that US
webmasters get a much sweeter deal.

Shit after signing up there isn't even support for processors that
work for non-US webmasters apart from CCBillEU now that PSW
doesn't answer email.

So maybe you can answer this....

Is there any point at all for a non-US webmaster to buy your product?

-Ben

mryellow · 11-25-2003, 06:35 PM

Another question:

Is it true you're adding 2000charge?

This is another processor that can handle non-US webmasters.
With them an Jettis things would be better for non-US users.
However the bigger setup fee for non-US is still unsettling.

-Ben

OY · 11-25-2003, 07:08 PM

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Originally posted by mryellow

$2,500 - (3 x $750) = $250

That means after your special offer to ONLY US webmasters you
only collect $250 for setup. Which makes your setup cost for US
webmasters.... um... $250.... While their Visa registration cost
remains the same as it would have been at $2,250.

While for non-US webmasters you collect $2,500 for setup ONLY.

As said above I'm sure US webmasters can pay their own Visa
fees and you can charge $250 setup. If that's out of the question
then at least make it fair and even.

I know you can see the logic.... It's easy to see that US
webmasters get a much sweeter deal.

Shit after signing up there isn't even support for processors that
work for non-US webmasters apart from CCBillEU now that PSW
doesn't answer email.

So maybe you can answer this....

Is there any point at all for a non-US webmaster to buy your product?

-Ben

I dont follow what you are saying...

So again, the license fee for MPA2 rent version is twothousandfivehundered dollars ($2,500) and NOT $250 for ANYONE. US, EU, Asian or from down under. Period.

The fact that EU webmasters SO FAR dont have to pay VISA a registration fee has NOTHING to do with the license fee for MPA2. The price was the same also before VISA came out with their fees. We are just making life easier for one group of our customers (that happens to be the ones with US presence) by covering their VISA reg. fees.

If we did not cover the US presence webmasters VISA reg. fee, they would have to be responsible for not only MPA2 license fee of $2,500 (twothousandfivehundered), but in addition to that an extra whopping $2,250 (twothousandtwohunderedandfifty) that adds up to be a total of $4,750 (fourthousandsevenhunderedandfifty) for both MPA2 and VISA reg. fees.

So, to make sure this comes out so that everyone understand it, WE DO NOT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US, EU, Asian, Australian nor SKANDINAVIAN (even though we should have charged those damn Swedes a few more dollars just for being Swedes) as the price is the same for the license to rent MPA2.

And to answer your question "Is there any point at all for a non-US webmaster to buy your product?" - YES there is, because both CCBill, IBill, and Jettis are still supported processors in MPA2 and will all together in a cascade billing solution still make you more money than if you used just one. A lot more.

As for your next Q about 2000charge - that is the plan, yes.

So get settled and get real. This is no hocus pocus.

mryellow · 11-25-2003, 08:09 PM

gee you're good at this :-D

I could say it again, if you want a chance to turn the spin around again?

Hope this thread made you a few signups ;-)

-Ben

Groove · 11-25-2003, 08:22 PM

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Originally posted by Oystein
So again, the license fee for MPA2 rent version is twothousandfivehundered dollars ($2,500) and NOT $250 for ANYONE. US, EU, Asian or from down under. Period.

The fact that EU webmasters SO FAR dont have to pay VISA a registration fee has NOTHING to do with the license fee for MPA2. The price was the same also before VISA came out with their fees. We are just making life easier for one group of our customers (that happens to be the ones with US presence) by covering their VISA reg. fees.

You can argue semantics all you like, but the fact remains that you ARE giving a $750 discount (cashback by proxy, Visa license fee payment, whatever you want to call it) to US customers which you are not offering to non-US customers.

Don't get me wrong, I can see where you're coming from. And I commend your support of the US webmasters in a difficult time. But you shouldn't be surprised if those left out in the cold feel like they're being offered an inferior deal. For example I live in Australia, so the Visa changes require me to setup an EU or US corp if I want to process Visa, and this will cost a lot more than $750. Will you cover these costs for me?

And if there's a $750 license fee why does your homepage say:

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Rent the full program and get it installed on your server for just $300/monthly.

Why don't you mention the $750 fee???

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And to answer your question "Is there any point at all for a non-US webmaster to buy your product?" - YES there is, because both CCBill, IBill, and Jettis are still supported processors in MPA2 and will all together in a cascade billing solution still make you more money than if you used just one. A lot more.

Does IBill process Visa for EU companies?

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As for your next Q about 2000charge - that is the plan, yes.

Any plans to support Verotel?

Groove · 11-25-2003, 11:25 PM

Ooops! I said "$750 discount" and meant "$2,250 discount"

OY · 11-26-2003, 01:08 AM

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Originally posted by mryellow
gee you're good at this :-D

I could say it again, if you want a chance to turn the spin around again?

Hope this thread made you a few signups ;-)

-Ben

That would be nice, of course... but let me ask you this: What do YOU suggest we should do to make it "even" and give NON US PRESENCE webmasters, since we already do give US presence webmasters the VISA reg. fee? I would love to do something for everyone to be quite frank...

Seriously.

Should we start a new thread about it and ask for suggestions? Ben, you have my permission to start that thread and reference it to this one if you want to. I will back it up

And if you do and make it get more than 1500 views I will give you $750 discount on your copy of MPA2. Seriously.

I will also give the one that comes up with the best idea that we actually will use $750 discount on a copy of MPA2 just to make the deal even better. Ben... it is all in your hands man

PS. This is not sarcasm (I know it can sound like it... hence the comment)

tootie · 11-26-2003, 01:26 AM

Some ideas for non-us webmasters:

Paid submission to Yahoo, Inktomi and other pay per inclusion places.

Free hosting equivalent to the VISA fees. (In fact, they might STAY with your hosting after the free period is up and net you even more money.)

Arrange some deals with some providers to sell you content at a discount and offer $2250 in content.

Arrange some deals with traffic providers to sell you traffic at a discount and offer $2250 in traffic.

Just some ideas.

I sure am hoping to pay for the installation fee myself, soon. I want to get my sites open and they're ready to go.

OY · 11-26-2003, 01:33 AM

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Originally posted by tootie
Some ideas for non-us webmasters:

Paid submission to Yahoo, Inktomi and other pay per inclusion places.

Free hosting equivalent to the VISA fees. (In fact, they might STAY with your hosting after the free period is up and net you even more money.)

Arrange some deals with some providers to sell you content at a discount and offer $2250 in content.

Arrange some deals with traffic providers to sell you traffic at a discount and offer $2250 in traffic.

Just some ideas.

I sure am hoping to pay for the installation fee myself, soon. I want to get my sites open and they're ready to go.

Damn Tootie! Those are good ideas! Not kidding!

Groove · 11-26-2003, 02:52 AM

Oystein, I have a project which will be launching early next year. I've been considering using MPA2 to manage our billing. Is there any chance you could answer my questions?

4Pics · 11-26-2003, 02:56 AM

You could also just say that outside the USA its $1000 instead of $2500.

tootie · 11-26-2003, 03:23 AM

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Originally posted by Oystein

Damn Tootie! Those are good ideas! Not kidding!

Another quick idea, perhaps you might consider refunding part of the setup fee for non-us webmasters after they have been with the program for a year or so. Not only would it be an incentive to join, but an incentive to stay, as well.

OY · 11-26-2003, 03:31 AM

Tootie - Keep em coming :-)

Groove -
"Why don't you mention the $750 fee???" - That is not a fee applied by us, but VISA. Thats why I dont mention it.

"IBill and EU" -Last time I checked they did. But dont forget that our three main processors are Epoch, Jettis and CCBill. IBill is just an option.

"Verotel" - No. Not at the present time. You can, however, have this done for you as a customization job.

4Pics - Uhh, no. I would love to make some money myself too, so that is out of the question.

tootie · 11-26-2003, 03:34 AM

Expanding on my previous idea, perhaps you could give a "cash back bonus" for non-us webmasters, returning 25% of the excess fees (the VISA fees) each year that the client stays. That would encourage an even longer length of service.

Groove · 11-26-2003, 05:34 AM

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Originally posted by Oystein
Groove -
"Why don't you mention the $750 fee???" - That is not a fee applied by us, but VISA. Thats why I dont mention it.

Sorry my bad, I was referring to your $2,500 "licensing fee".

[I corrected the reference to $750 in a post immediately following]

What I meant is, your homepage says:

Quote:

Rent the full program and get it installed on your server for just $300/monthly.

But it makes no reference whatsoever to the additional $2,500 fee. Why not?

Quote:

"IBill and EU" -Last time I checked they did. But dont forget that our three main processors are Epoch, Jettis and CCBill. IBill is just an option.

It is my understanding that Epoch and IBill do not process for EU companies. So MPA2 appears to offer support for only two IPSPs with an EU presence (Jettis and CCBill), thereby making you a poor cascading-billing solution for non-US companies. If I am wrong, please let me know, I am simply trying to get the facts straight

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"Verotel" - No. Not at the present time. You can, however, have this done for you as a customization job.

All I want is support for three viable EU IPSPs and there is no way in the world that I am not going to pay extra for the privilege! And yes I know that you're planning future support for 2000charge, but have you read any of the allegations here on GFY regarding 2000charge's support, or total lack thereof?

OY · 11-26-2003, 12:32 PM

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Originally posted by Groove

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Originally posted by Oystein
Groove -
"Why don't you mention the $750 fee???" - That is not a fee applied by us, but VISA. Thats why I dont mention it.

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Sorry my bad, I was referring to your $2,500 "licensing fee".

[I corrected the reference to $750 in a post immediately following]

What I meant is, your homepage says:

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Rent the full program and get it installed on your server for just $300/monthly.

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But it makes no reference whatsoever to the additional $2,500 fee. Why not?

It is a normal sales technique that we use to get the interest from guys like you ;-) We are not obligated to say everything on the website, we do however, disclose of everything once contact has been made and we send out complete price schedule by email

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"IBill and EU" -Last time I checked they did. But dont forget that our three main processors are Epoch, Jettis and CCBill. IBill is just an option.

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It is my understanding that Epoch and IBill do not process for EU companies. So MPA2 appears to offer support for only two IPSPs with an EU presence (Jettis and CCBill), thereby making you a poor cascading-billing solution for non-US companies. If I am wrong, please let me know, I am simply trying to get the facts straight

Well, then it please me to tell you that we will have not only 3 EU processors in the next upgrade, but also an Asian one. So I am sure that will make things better for you. The current solution seems to have been working excellent for current customers so far, so it is my sincere opinion that now MPA2 will be not just excellent but super-excellent for everyone.

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"Verotel" - No. Not at the present time. You can, however, have this done for you as a customization job.

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All I want is support for three viable EU IPSPs and there is no way in the world that I am not going to pay extra for the privilege! And yes I know that you're planning future support for 2000charge, but have you read any of the allegations here on GFY regarding 2000charge's support, or total lack thereof?

When the upgrade is here you wont have to pay extra for it. Dont forget, we are giving all our customers the upgrade for FREE! I hear different allegations about every single processor there is out there all the time. That does not mean that I believe them all. Heck, we have allegations on ourselfes as well. I guess that means we have succeded somehow and gotten "famous" enough to get the allegations pointed at us. It goes with the territory of success.

I hope this answered your questions as we would love to have you as a customer as well

mryellow · 11-26-2003, 04:21 PM

Oystein good work turning this thread around.... I know it started
on another topic but now that it's come up you're doing a great
job of listening to your clients. Great to see!

I haven't searched in detail but from what I'm hearing here you're
not really advertising the Visa fee thing as a selling point. With an
incentive for non-US webmasters as well you could really use this
as a selling point and improve the marketability of your product
even more.

The yearly incentive ideas sound good. I know It's hard to make
2 different deals for 2 different groups and make them even and
easy to understand.

It was suggested that even US webmasters would be better off
paying their own Visa fees but I can see that using any other
kind of incentive for US webmasters isn't as nice and elegant.

You could offer a number of free or discounted months... Gets
people thru the door... Then US webmasters can choose between
Visa fees or discounted monthly rental.

I'm sure there are even more creative ways to do this which will
make you even more business.

-Ben

Groove · 11-26-2003, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Oystein
It is a normal sales technique that we use to get the interest from guys like you ;-) We are not obligated to say everything on the website, we do however, disclose of everything once contact has been made and we send out complete price schedule by email

Of course you are not obligated to say everything on the web site. But you are obligated to be truthful in what you do say. The statement "Rent the full program and get it installed on your server for just $300/monthly" is simply not true.

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Well, then it please me to tell you that we will have not only 3 EU processors in the next upgrade, but also an Asian one. So I am sure that will make things better for you. The current solution seems to have been working excellent for current customers so far, so it is my sincere opinion that now MPA2 will be not just excellent but super-excellent for everyone.

So the three EU processors will be CCBill, 2000charge and who?

OY · 11-26-2003, 11:20 PM

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Originally posted by mryellow
Oystein good work turning this thread around.... I know it started
on another topic but now that it's come up you're doing a great
job of listening to your clients. Great to see!

I haven't searched in detail but from what I'm hearing here you're
not really advertising the Visa fee thing as a selling point. With an
incentive for non-US webmasters as well you could really use this
as a selling point and improve the marketability of your product
even more.

The yearly incentive ideas sound good. I know It's hard to make
2 different deals for 2 different groups and make them even and
easy to understand.

It was suggested that even US webmasters would be better off
paying their own Visa fees but I can see that using any other
kind of incentive for US webmasters isn't as nice and elegant.

You could offer a number of free or discounted months... Gets
people thru the door... Then US webmasters can choose between
Visa fees or discounted monthly rental.

I'm sure there are even more creative ways to do this which will
make you even more business.

-Ben

Ben,

Appreciate the props. It is a rare and nice thing to get here on GFY

We are looking at different ways of promoting the program even more, however, the good thing (for us) is that once MPA2 user see all the benefits while using it (monetary and functionality wise) they tend to stay anyways. BUT, these are still great ideas. From you and from Tootie. So we will consider these for sure.

Thanks man...

Groove - It is true. The program will run you $300 per month. That is where it starts. Great deal. Now, if your program grows and the amount of new signups grows, we will charge you more incrementally. This is fully disclosed of in not only our initial offer letter, but of course also in our agreement that you sign prior to using MPA2. No hocus pocus.

As for which processors that can process for EU companies, please refer to the processors listed as MPA2 processors. Seems like this changes from day to day with the processors, so better to take this directly with them.

tootie · 11-26-2003, 11:57 PM

Do I get a discount off MPA2? LOL

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone.

OY · 11-27-2003, 12:12 PM

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Originally posted by tootie
Do I get a discount off MPA2? LOL

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone.

After all the good things you have been saying about MPA2, I am sure we can work something out

Give me a call on Monday for a chat

mryellow · 11-27-2003, 03:46 PM

Looking forward to the new version now.
I can see the release will be a fanfare with surprises for all.

Oystein have a few ideas I'll email you later today.

-Ben

OY · 11-27-2003, 07:15 PM

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Originally posted by mryellow
Looking forward to the new version now.
I can see the release will be a fanfare with surprises for all.

Oystein have a few ideas I'll email you later today.

-Ben

New version will turn heads, no doubt. Enough for both small and big kids. Perfect New Years present.

Looking forward to your email

Oy--

the indigo · 11-28-2003, 09:30 PM

I hope there's 2 *new* EU processors.

PSW is gone.
Jettis is gone.
ibill just plain sucks and don't answer emails.

We are currently stuck with *1* processor in a cascading program. That's great!

NETbilling · 11-28-2003, 10:22 PM

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Originally posted by the indigo
I hope there's 2 *new* EU processors.

PSW is gone.
Jettis is gone.
ibill just plain sucks and don't answer emails.

We are currently stuck with *1* processor in a cascading program. That's great!

How about Netbilling? We can help with your EU processing and save you $$$ in processing fees.

Thanks, Mitch

11-25-2003, 12:29 PM	#51
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11-25-2003, 06:35 PM	#54
mryellow Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 934	Another question: Is it true you're adding 2000charge? This is another processor that can handle non-US webmasters. With them an Jettis things would be better for non-US users. However the bigger setup fee for non-US is still unsettling. -Ben __________________ Cyberwurx Hosting After trying 5 different hosts, I found the best. Since 1997 I've had 2 hours of downtime. Fast support, great techs, no hype, no gimmicks. <- I in no way endorse whatever just got stuck on the left of my post.

11-25-2003, 08:09 PM	#56
mryellow Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 934	gee you're good at this :-D I could say it again, if you want a chance to turn the spin around again? Hope this thread made you a few signups ;-) -Ben __________________ Cyberwurx Hosting After trying 5 different hosts, I found the best. Since 1997 I've had 2 hours of downtime. Fast support, great techs, no hype, no gimmicks. <- I in no way endorse whatever just got stuck on the left of my post.

11-25-2003, 11:25 PM	#58
Groove Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,852	Ooops! I said "$750 discount" and meant "$2,250 discount" Last edited by Groove; 11-25-2003 at 11:28 PM..

11-26-2003, 01:26 AM	#60
tootie Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Planet Earp Posts: 6,041	Some ideas for non-us webmasters: Paid submission to Yahoo, Inktomi and other pay per inclusion places. Free hosting equivalent to the VISA fees. (In fact, they might STAY with your hosting after the free period is up and net you even more money.) Arrange some deals with some providers to sell you content at a discount and offer $2250 in content. Arrange some deals with traffic providers to sell you traffic at a discount and offer $2250 in traffic. Just some ideas. I sure am hoping to pay for the installation fee myself, soon. I want to get my sites open and they're ready to go. __________________

11-26-2003, 02:52 AM	#62
Groove Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,852	Oystein, I have a project which will be launching early next year. I've been considering using MPA2 to manage our billing. Is there any chance you could answer my questions?

11-26-2003, 02:56 AM	#63
4Pics Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 7,952	You could also just say that outside the USA its $1000 instead of $2500.

11-26-2003, 03:31 AM	#65
OY Industry Pioneer Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA/EU/ASIA Posts: 5,401	Tootie - Keep em coming :-) Groove - "Why don't you mention the $750 fee???" - That is not a fee applied by us, but VISA. Thats why I dont mention it. "IBill and EU" -Last time I checked they did. But dont forget that our three main processors are Epoch, Jettis and CCBill. IBill is just an option. "Verotel" - No. Not at the present time. You can, however, have this done for you as a customization job. 4Pics - Uhh, no. I would love to make some money myself too, so that is out of the question. __________________ Around since 1997, and the company that introduced "Cascading Billing" in MPA3® Affiliate Management and Tracking Software Outsourcing With A Norwegian Twist - NordBits - Inquire within!

11-26-2003, 03:34 AM	#66
tootie Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Planet Earp Posts: 6,041	Expanding on my previous idea, perhaps you could give a "cash back bonus" for non-us webmasters, returning 25% of the excess fees (the VISA fees) each year that the client stays. That would encourage an even longer length of service. __________________

11-26-2003, 04:21 PM	#69
mryellow Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 934	Oystein good work turning this thread around.... I know it started on another topic but now that it's come up you're doing a great job of listening to your clients. Great to see! I haven't searched in detail but from what I'm hearing here you're not really advertising the Visa fee thing as a selling point. With an incentive for non-US webmasters as well you could really use this as a selling point and improve the marketability of your product even more. The yearly incentive ideas sound good. I know It's hard to make 2 different deals for 2 different groups and make them even and easy to understand. It was suggested that even US webmasters would be better off paying their own Visa fees but I can see that using any other kind of incentive for US webmasters isn't as nice and elegant. You could offer a number of free or discounted months... Gets people thru the door... Then US webmasters can choose between Visa fees or discounted monthly rental. I'm sure there are even more creative ways to do this which will make you even more business. -Ben __________________ Cyberwurx Hosting After trying 5 different hosts, I found the best. Since 1997 I've had 2 hours of downtime. Fast support, great techs, no hype, no gimmicks. <- I in no way endorse whatever just got stuck on the left of my post.

11-26-2003, 11:57 PM	#72
tootie Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Planet Earp Posts: 6,041	Do I get a discount off MPA2? LOL Happy Thanksgiving, everyone. __________________

11-27-2003, 03:46 PM	#74
mryellow Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 934	Looking forward to the new version now. I can see the release will be a fanfare with surprises for all. Oystein have a few ideas I'll email you later today. -Ben __________________ Cyberwurx Hosting After trying 5 different hosts, I found the best. Since 1997 I've had 2 hours of downtime. Fast support, great techs, no hype, no gimmicks. <- I in no way endorse whatever just got stuck on the left of my post.

11-28-2003, 09:30 PM	#76
the indigo Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: North America Posts: 2,016	I hope there's 2 new EU processors. PSW is gone. Jettis is gone. ibill just plain sucks and don't answer emails. We are currently stuck with 1 processor in a cascading program. That's great!