i still think the Cecash script is 50k

Darren - you have an ICQ ping...

Is there a $2,500 setup fee?

Is there any extra charge to have Netbilling as the primary at setup time?

Z

If the setup fee is for Visa registration can we please get a
refund, as we are not US webmasters and don't pay the $750 fee.

The software is well done, well coded, and well put together.

However there are plenty of situations where you'd want your
own software coded.

The software has been setup in a way which means that if you
want to do anything special your most likely going to need to buy
another licence before you'll be able to do it with MPA2. With a
few added bridge tables in the database the system could very
easily accommodate many, many, more features. However this
would mean you wouldn't have to pay more and MPA2 is smart
enough to get that money from you.

-Ben

Groove - No. There is a $2,500 license fee where we also include setup. :thumbsup

Zprogramz - No. That is free of charge as long as you make sure to request it PRIOR to installation date. Also, Netbilling will waive their setup fee for any MPA2 customer.

mryellow/Ben - The license fee for MPA2 was $2,500 also before VISA started charging the registration fee. Mansion Productions then though it would be a nice thing to do to go in and take care of that for our customers that would need to pay that at that time and on. Whether you are a US company or not, the setup fee has been the same from day one.
Also, keep in mind that the database is yours to go in and "mess with" as much as you want. It is not encrypted. I am also sure that you will be very positively surprised once our upgrade comes out. You will be able to go in and change more than you have had the chance to do with it in todays version. :2 cents:

:thumbsup

I agree with everyone that say that the best would be to hire your own programmers and get your own program coded. BUT you must have patience then! To write a program with as many features as the mpa2 program has will take some time. And then you need time to and fine tune and bug test the program.

All of this is possible if you find a couple of programmers that are dedicated and will work hard for you while your program is getting coded. We have all heard the scary stories.

Now lets say all this goes well. Then in like 6 months Visa change some rule again. Or one of the processors dies. Then what ? You just cross your fingers and hope that the guy that wrote you this program is still in business and haven't started school or something.

Same goes for when you want things to be changed to your program as well. If you are not a programmer you will not be able to add or changed things to your program anyway. So you have to hire someone else for it.

Yes we charge extra if you want to have some extra features to the MPA2 program that is not standard. We couldn't afford having all these programmers on the payroll if we didn't. We offer 24/7 support simply because we know how important it is for our customers that their software is working all the time.

I must also add that you must have some good fantasy to be able to come up with something that is not already in the mpa2 program or will be in this January upgrade. And that's another great thing about the mpa2 program. You get all upgrades for free ! So no need to worry about Visa/master card changes, processors going down, or adding new features. Its all free !

So US webmasters pay $250 for MPA2 setup and $2,250 to Visa and non-US webmasters pay $2,500 for MPA2 setup?

Can you see how that is wrong?

I don't have to pay that $2,250 for VISA so my setup cost should be the same as US webmasters.... $250.

-Ben

I just wish there was more webmaster fraud sharing..

So we could ban all these fucks permanently

US and any other webmaster pay $2,500 for the rent license of MPA2, and this includes the setup, support and free upgrades.

For any US corp. that has to comply to the VISA registration rules we decided to help them out and pay that for them after the rule took effect last fall. I think we were and are pretty nice for doing just that. The price for the license was the same before VISA came with their fees last fall.

Sooo, again, we are not making it "more difficult or expensive" for non US webmasters, we are merely making it easier for anyone that happens to be affected by the VISA regulations by taking care of their VISA reg. fee.

PS. I think you accidentally had a 0 too little in the license fee price - it is not $250 it is $2,500

makefuckingmoney - we are working on that. :winkwink:

50 MPA2's :)

Its a lot more than that! :winkwink:

So US entities get special treatment and pay less to you for
actual MPA2 setup. If you pay the Visa fees for US webmasters,
why not do something nice for non-US webmasters? Are we not
as special as US webmasters?

$2,500 - (3 x $750) = $250

That means after your special offer to ONLY US webmasters you
only collect $250 for setup. Which makes your setup cost for US
webmasters.... um... $250.... While their Visa registration cost
remains the same as it would have been at $2,250.

While for non-US webmasters you collect $2,500 for setup ONLY.

As said above I'm sure US webmasters can pay their own Visa
fees and you can charge $250 setup. If that's out of the question
then at least make it fair and even.

I know you can see the logic.... It's easy to see that US
webmasters get a much sweeter deal.

Shit after signing up there isn't even support for processors that
work for non-US webmasters apart from CCBillEU now that PSW
doesn't answer email.

So maybe you can answer this....

Is there any point at all for a non-US webmaster to buy your product?

-Ben

Another question:

Is it true you're adding 2000charge?

This is another processor that can handle non-US webmasters.
With them an Jettis things would be better for non-US users.
However the bigger setup fee for non-US is still unsettling.

-Ben

I dont follow what you are saying...

So again, the license fee for MPA2 rent version is twothousandfivehundered dollars ($2,500) and NOT $250 for ANYONE. US, EU, Asian or from down under. Period.

The fact that EU webmasters SO FAR dont have to pay VISA a registration fee has NOTHING to do with the license fee for MPA2. The price was the same also before VISA came out with their fees. We are just making life easier for one group of our customers (that happens to be the ones with US presence) by covering their VISA reg. fees.

If we did not cover the US presence webmasters VISA reg. fee, they would have to be responsible for not only MPA2 license fee of $2,500 (twothousandfivehundered), but in addition to that an extra whopping $2,250 (twothousandtwohunderedandfifty) that adds up to be a total of $4,750 (fourthousandsevenhunderedandfifty) for both MPA2 and VISA reg. fees.

So, to make sure this comes out so that everyone understand it, WE DO NOT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US, EU, Asian, Australian nor SKANDINAVIAN (even though we should have charged those damn Swedes a few more dollars just for being Swedes) as the price is the same for the license to rent MPA2.

And to answer your question "Is there any point at all for a non-US webmaster to buy your product?" - YES there is, because both CCBill, IBill, and Jettis are still supported processors in MPA2 and will all together in a cascade billing solution still make you more money than if you used just one. A lot more.

As for your next Q about 2000charge - that is the plan, yes.

So get settled and get real. This is no hocus pocus.

:2 cents: :2 cents: :2 cents:

gee you're good at this :-D

I could say it again, if you want a chance to turn the spin around again?

Hope this thread made you a few signups ;-)

-Ben

You can argue semantics all you like, but the fact remains that you ARE giving a $750 discount (cashback by proxy, Visa license fee payment, whatever you want to call it) to US customers which you are not offering to non-US customers.

Don't get me wrong, I can see where you're coming from. And I commend your support of the US webmasters in a difficult time. But you shouldn't be surprised if those left out in the cold feel like they're being offered an inferior deal. For example I live in Australia, so the Visa changes require me to setup an EU or US corp if I want to process Visa, and this will cost a lot more than $750. Will you cover these costs for me?

And if there's a $750 license fee why does your homepage say:

Quote:

Rent the full program and get it installed on your server for just $300/monthly.

Why don't you mention the $750 fee???

Quote:

And to answer your question "Is there any point at all for a non-US webmaster to buy your product?" - YES there is, because both CCBill, IBill, and Jettis are still supported processors in MPA2 and will all together in a cascade billing solution still make you more money than if you used just one. A lot more.

Does IBill process Visa for EU companies?

Quote:

As for your next Q about 2000charge - that is the plan, yes.

Any plans to support Verotel?

Ooops! I said "$750 discount" and meant "$2,250 discount" :glugglug

That would be nice, of course... but let me ask you this: What do YOU suggest we should do to make it "even" and give NON US PRESENCE webmasters, since we already do give US presence webmasters the VISA reg. fee? I would love to do something for everyone to be quite frank...

Seriously.

Should we start a new thread about it and ask for suggestions? Ben, you have my permission to start that thread and reference it to this one if you want to. I will back it up :thumbsup

And if you do and make it get more than 1500 views I will give you $750 discount on your copy of MPA2. Seriously.

I will also give the one that comes up with the best idea that we actually will use $750 discount on a copy of MPA2 just to make the deal even better. Ben... it is all in your hands man :thumbsup

PS. This is not sarcasm (I know it can sound like it... hence the comment)

Some ideas for non-us webmasters:

Paid submission to Yahoo, Inktomi and other pay per inclusion places.

Free hosting equivalent to the VISA fees. (In fact, they might STAY with your hosting after the free period is up and net you even more money.)

Arrange some deals with some providers to sell you content at a discount and offer $2250 in content.

Arrange some deals with traffic providers to sell you traffic at a discount and offer $2250 in traffic.

Just some ideas.

I sure am hoping to pay for the installation fee myself, soon. I want to get my sites open and they're ready to go. :)

Damn Tootie! Those are good ideas! Not kidding!

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

Oystein, I have a project which will be launching early next year. I've been considering using MPA2 to manage our billing. Is there any chance you could answer my questions?

You could also just say that outside the USA its $1000 instead of $2500.

Another quick idea, perhaps you might consider refunding part of the setup fee for non-us webmasters after they have been with the program for a year or so. Not only would it be an incentive to join, but an incentive to stay, as well. :)

Tootie - Keep em coming :-)

Groove -
"Why don't you mention the $750 fee???" - That is not a fee applied by us, but VISA. Thats why I dont mention it.

"IBill and EU" -Last time I checked they did. But dont forget that our three main processors are Epoch, Jettis and CCBill. IBill is just an option.

"Verotel" - No. Not at the present time. You can, however, have this done for you as a customization job.

4Pics - Uhh, no. I would love to make some money myself too, so that is out of the question. :winkwink:

Expanding on my previous idea, perhaps you could give a "cash back bonus" for non-us webmasters, returning 25% of the excess fees (the VISA fees) each year that the client stays. That would encourage an even longer length of service.

Sorry my bad, I was referring to your $2,500 "licensing fee".

[I corrected the reference to $750 in a post immediately following]

What I meant is, your homepage says:

But it makes no reference whatsoever to the additional $2,500 fee. Why not?

It is my understanding that Epoch and IBill do not process for EU companies. So MPA2 appears to offer support for only two IPSPs with an EU presence (Jettis and CCBill), thereby making you a poor cascading-billing solution for non-US companies. If I am wrong, please let me know, I am simply trying to get the facts straight :)

All I want is support for three viable EU IPSPs and there is no way in the world that I am not going to pay extra for the privilege! And yes I know that you're planning future support for 2000charge, but have you read any of the allegations here on GFY regarding 2000charge's support, or total lack thereof?

When the upgrade is here you wont have to pay extra for it. Dont forget, we are giving all our customers the upgrade for FREE! I hear different allegations about every single processor there is out there all the time. That does not mean that I believe them all. Heck, we have allegations on ourselfes as well. I guess that means we have succeded somehow and gotten "famous" enough to get the allegations pointed at us. It goes with the territory of success.

I hope this answered your questions as we would love to have you as a customer as well


:)

Oystein good work turning this thread around.... I know it started
on another topic but now that it's come up you're doing a great
job of listening to your clients. Great to see!

I haven't searched in detail but from what I'm hearing here you're
not really advertising the Visa fee thing as a selling point. With an
incentive for non-US webmasters as well you could really use this
as a selling point and improve the marketability of your product
even more.

The yearly incentive ideas sound good. I know It's hard to make
2 different deals for 2 different groups and make them even and
easy to understand.

It was suggested that even US webmasters would be better off
paying their own Visa fees but I can see that using any other
kind of incentive for US webmasters isn't as nice and elegant.

You could offer a number of free or discounted months... Gets
people thru the door... Then US webmasters can choose between
Visa fees or discounted monthly rental.

I'm sure there are even more creative ways to do this which will
make you even more business.

-Ben

Of course you are not obligated to say everything on the web site. But you are obligated to be truthful in what you do say. The statement "Rent the full program and get it installed on your server for just $300/monthly" is simply not true.

So the three EU processors will be CCBill, 2000charge and who?

Ben,

Appreciate the props. It is a rare and nice thing to get here on GFY

We are looking at different ways of promoting the program even more, however, the good thing (for us) is that once MPA2 user see all the benefits while using it (monetary and functionality wise) they tend to stay anyways. BUT, these are still great ideas. From you and from Tootie. So we will consider these for sure.

Thanks man...

Groove - It is true. The program will run you $300 per month. That is where it starts. Great deal. Now, if your program grows and the amount of new signups grows, we will charge you more incrementally. This is fully disclosed of in not only our initial offer letter, but of course also in our agreement that you sign prior to using MPA2. No hocus pocus.

As for which processors that can process for EU companies, please refer to the processors listed as MPA2 processors. Seems like this changes from day to day with the processors, so better to take this directly with them.

:pimp

Do I get a discount off MPA2? LOL

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone. :)

After all the good things you have been saying about MPA2, I am sure we can work something out :thumbsup

Give me a call on Monday for a chat :)

Looking forward to the new version now.
I can see the release will be a fanfare with surprises for all.

Oystein have a few ideas I'll email you later today.

-Ben

New version will turn heads, no doubt. Enough for both small and big kids. Perfect New Years present. :winkwink:

Looking forward to your email

Oy--

I hope there's 2 *new* EU processors.

PSW is gone.
Jettis is gone.
ibill just plain sucks and don't answer emails.

We are currently stuck with *1* processor in a cascading program. That's great! :1orglaugh

How about Netbilling? We can help with your EU processing and save you $$$ in processing fees.

Thanks, Mitch