China is replacing all of its approximately 20 CSS-4 Mod 1 intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) with the longer range CSS-4 Mod 2. China also is developing two follow-on, extended-range versions of the DF-31: a solid propellant, mobile ICBM and a solid propellant submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM).

Such a good idea. Send in spys to have north korea use non nuclear missle launches against china, with the words, fuck you dog eaters written on them.

China then extremely pissed launches back, and as long as we can keep them using conventional weapons instead of nukes, we all win in the war again other countries having nuclear weapons. If only the real world were as easy as the movies.

Furthermore, I'd be very happy if we were the only country with nukes, because then we'd really never have to use them.

New North Korean Missile Could Hit Anywhere in U.S., AP Reports
Sept. 11 (Bloomberg)

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news...EPE&refer=home

The biggest threat with North Korea isn't just that they seem to love the idea of building nukes, it's that they seem to be crazy enough to actually use the damn things!

Yeah, more focus should be on North Korea. Not the people just the nutty government that keeps spreading propaganda and hate.

shit, they send, we send

ps.. can i stay with someone in canada if shit hits the fan?

it already is Mr Smartypants...it's just not officially recognized by the current christian taliban...



ps, china can fuckoff, just leave the HOT whores in Aetawon alone....S. Korea is too hot to go nuclear on us ;-)


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There will not be a war between China and the US in the foreseeable future...over any matter. If there were to be...China is not capable of projecting its military power (other than by ICBM's) and the US is. China is militarily overmatched coventionally and otherwise...at this point in time. As their economy grows...their military capabilities will grow if that is the route they choose...so twenty-forty years down the road...they may become a match...if the US allows it to happen.

I think it will be interesting to see the events that unfold if China does decide to make a move on Taiwan.

North Korea has never tested an ICBM so it cannot deliver a nuke to the CONUS via a missile at this point. If it ever does test an ICBM that just may be when the US takes them out. North Korea is no more than a mosquito buzzing around...but if it decides to bite...it will be squashed.

unfortunately at the expense of American tax payers

This is one American tax payer that will not begrudge the money.

It will cost more than Iraq to squish N. Korea

This is your Tax dollars at work

http://www.bushflash.com/pl_lo.html

There will never be a large war between China and USA. That's true. The rest of your post is propaganda driven tho.

The US does not know, to any accurate degree, the technology behind Chinas military. Simplistically put, remember these are the same guys telling you what China has as told you that Iraq had WMD's. They basically know jackshit. They know what China tells the world, no more, no less.

Secondly, the US does have a larger capacity to invade China than China has to invade the US. Sure that's true. However, I'm pretty sure that the eventual result of any large conflict would be both countries black and scarred and basically dead. Those of you that think the US's anti-missile defense is good enough to stop a rain of Chinese nukes are living in cuckoo land. I mean, like how many rains of nukes from China has your missile defense actually stopped. So you know it works like ? A big fat zero. That goes for both sides.

Any conventional aircraft led pacification would fail. The country is just to large. Any infantry led invasion would fail, they simply have to many bodies. You guys can't even subdue a technology deficient Iraq. Your chances of subdueing China are Nil. Period.


No, there will never be a direct war between the US and China. Neither side would survive. Even Bush, who I consider to be a very dangerous, borderline evil man, is not that stupid. He may not mind murdering tens of thousands of innocent people, but he would be too chickenshit if there was the slightest chance he might lose his ranch.

At least Bush is clever enough to pick his fights.

Not gonna happen.

Yeah pretty much the same thing. USA should let China and Taiwan settle it. The Nationalist are like gangsters themselves. The ones that controlled China were the ones with Guns. The Nationalist lost and fled to the Island. Now they want to declare independence.

http://onenews.nzoom.com/onenews_det...67-1-9,00.html

"Chinese nationalists fled to Taiwan in 1950 when the Communists took control of the mainland and have since established a flourishing free-market democracy on the island.

But the Communists in Beijing consider Taiwan a renegade province and have vowed to reunify the country, by force if necessary."

Leader of the Chinese Nationalists: Chiang Kai-shek
http://www.healthekids.net/course.phtml?course_id=354

In 1949 when Communist forces led by Mao Zedong defeated Chinese Nationalists and controlled China, they chose the historic northern city as the new power center of the nation. Beiping became Beijing again. It is said that when Mao chose Beijing over cities in the south as the national capital he had in his mind the fact that historically Chinese dynasties based in the south were mostly short-lived whereas dynasties based in Beijing proved to be far more enduring. The last two Beijing-based imperial dynasties, the Ming and Qing, for instance, respectively reigned for over two hundred and fifty years.

http://www.carpenoctem.tv/military/mao.html

You should watch these two movies if you understand Cantonese and get an idea of what it was like in China. The fight for power and to control China with military. Plus the tactics they used to fund the military.

Lord of East China Sea (1993)
http://www.hkflix.com/xq/asp/filmID....qx/details.htm
Lord of East China Sea II (1993)
http://www.hkflix.com/xq/asp/filmID....qx/details.htm

CPC = PLA = Red Army
Kuomintang = Chinese Nationalist

http://fpeng.peopledaily.com.cn/2001...625_73476.html

"However, the revolution soon ebbed because of betrayal by the capitalists and the tendency to capitulate within the CPC. When the Kuomintang, led by Chiang Kai-shek, took power in 1927 to become the new warlord ruling China, the Kuomintang administration became the new enemy of the CPC. Since the workers' movements were stymied by the administration's iron-fist rule, the CPC started shifting the battleground from the cities to rural areas, where the vast majority of China¡®s people, including the poorest, lived. In the rural areas, CPC members, represented by Mao Zedong, established a number of footholds, or what were called¡°revolutionary bases," to start a guerrilla war based on the strategy of "encircling the cities from rural areas.""

"However, the Kuomintang administration, backed by the United States, launched an all-out civil war aimed at eliminating the communist army. After fending off several attacks from the Kuomintang army, the CPC army, then renamed the People's Liberation Army (PLA), started an all-round offense. Through three major battles in northeast, central and north China, the PLA destroyed the core forces of the Kuomintang army. After that, the invincible PLA successfully crossed the Yangtze River and took Nanjing, the capital of the Kuomintang administration.

In 1949, the People's Republic of China was founded and a new page was turned in Chinese history."

USA backed the Kuomintang army. This is why USA has such good relations with Taiwan. Hope everyone understands this mess now.

:)


http://www.politicsandelections.com/...rs/uschina.htm

http://www.fighter-planes.com/big/aurora.jpg

when did this come out

I think that's vapourware

100 unavoidable wars!

Ok, found a link for you

Top Secret Hypersonic Spy Plane
"Rumored to exist but routinely denied by U.S. officials"
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/aurora.html

Not propaganda driven in the least. The US does not need to know...with any great degree of accuaracy...the technology behind China's military. They worse case it...just as we now know they did with the Soviet Union...and as they apparently did with Iraq.


The US has the capacity to invade China (I can only visualize this happening under certain circumstances, as the land mass and population is to large) and China simply put cannot reciprocate. We can project our military power (land,sea, and air) into their theater and simply put China cannot project its military power into our theater...other than via ICBM's...and the last count I recall is that they have something under 30 ICBM's. That does not exactly constitute a rain of missile's.

China is...for all practical purposes...currently pacified...as they cannot project military power globally...only within their AO...which is limited. We would never engage in a land war within China...unless internal rest within China presented the opportunity. All that has to be accomplished is to limit their ability to project military power.


Both sides would "survive".

I question the stats...but none the less there is an easy solution...do not fuck with the USA.

All the USA vs China talk is rather pointless since there are no major conflicts now, and I can't see any in the near future that would bring the two countries to war with eachother.

The US might not like China to make a move on Taiwan, but the US is unlikely to take any military action against China because China is a significant military power itself and the issue of Taiwan independence isn't worth the huge cost of American lives and dollars that it would require to be at war with China.

Every day, China is more and more a friend of America than an enemy. Iran, Syria, and N.Korea are much more realistic targets for war with America in the near future.