Israel admits it lied over missile raid on camp - GoFuckYourself.com

directfiesta · 11-20-2003, 10:38 PM

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Chris McGreal in Jerusalem
Friday November 21, 2003
The Guardian

The Israeli military has admitted that it lied about a rocket attack on a Gaza refugee camp, which according to the army led to no casualties, but which the Palestinians have claimed killed 14 civilians.
A leftwing member of the Israeli parliament, Yossi Sarid, forced the confession from the air force chief after he threatened to release evidence that the military had used a weapon more destructive and indiscriminate than it had publicly claimed.

A month ago, the air force launched an assassination strike against a Hamas activist who was driving through Nuseirat refugee camp. The Palestinians claimed that the attack caused a large number of civilian casualties, but the air force commander, Major General Dan Halutz, produced video footage of the car being hit by two missiles that showed no one standing near the wrecked vehicle as the rockets struck.

The military said that Hellfire missiles were used, producing a concentrated explosion over a small area. Gen Halutz likened the effect of the missiles to "two grenades". The video footage was widely shown on Israeli television.

But the army now admits that it lied in briefings to the Israeli and foreign press, because the second rocket was not a Hellfire missile.

The military refuses to identify the weapon used, on the grounds of "operational security". But the speculation is that it was an American-made Flechette, which is illegal under international law because it fires thousands of tiny darts over hundreds of metres, causing horrific injuries. Israel has used similar weapons in Gaza in the past.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Sto...089989,00.html

it was an American-made Flechette, which is illegal under international law

another form of terrorism....

BTW, is that missile a WMD?

TheJimmy · 11-20-2003, 10:40 PM

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Originally posted by directfiesta

it was an American-made Flechette, which is illegal under international law

another form of terrorism....

BTW, is that missile a WMD?

ewwwww, those are fucking NAAAASTY tools....

weaselbrains · 11-20-2003, 10:42 PM

Why does this article not surprise me?

Israel have broken more UN resolutions than Iraq ever did

cystum · 11-20-2003, 11:06 PM

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Originally posted by weaselbrains
Why does this article not surprise me?

Israel have broken more UN resolutions than Iraq ever did

all to prevent terrorism.. you must be french

Odin88 · 11-20-2003, 11:09 PM

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all to prevent terrorism.. you must be french

lol! I guess they/you need a nuclear weapons program too than? And biological and chemical bombs?

And btw, his sentiment is not restricted to the French, more and mroe people are waking up to Israel.

directfiesta · 11-20-2003, 11:12 PM

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Originally posted by cystum

all to prevent terrorism.. you must be french

So basically, terrorism is defined to you by " on which side you are"?

Israel using weapons illegal under international law is quite OK, as much as lying about it. That is war agains terror...

But those attacked retaliating, they are terrorists ...

Very simple application of the : you are with us or against us"....

BTW, you must be Jewish???

galleryseek · 11-20-2003, 11:16 PM

bush owns all of you.

directfiesta · 11-20-2003, 11:17 PM

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Originally posted by galleryseek
bush owns all of you.

Who is talking about Bush???

You have a fixation???

Administrator · 11-20-2003, 11:29 PM

we should bomb the UN then bomb isreal and every other motherfucker fuck them

seven · 11-20-2003, 11:32 PM

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Originally posted by directfiesta
You have a fixation???

nawh prolly only masturbates thinking about him

OzMan84 · 11-20-2003, 11:35 PM

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Originally posted by Administrator
we should bomb the UN then bomb isreal and every other motherfucker fuck them

i 2nd

slavdogg · 11-20-2003, 11:49 PM

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Originally posted by directfiesta

it was an American-made Flechette, which is illegal under international law

BTW, is that missile a WMD?

that sucks, they only used one missile.
should have dropped a fuck loads of them on Gaza instead.

theking · 11-20-2003, 11:54 PM

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Originally posted by directfiesta

it was an American-made Flechette, which is illegal under international law

another form of terrorism....

BTW, is that missile a WMD?

Mis-informing again I see. From the article...

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In an attempt to stave off further revelations, Gen Halutz met Mr Sarid on Wednesday. The general admitted that the military had lied, but tried to persuade the MP that the missiles could not have caused large numbers of casualties.

Afterwards the military released a statement, saying: "For reasons of securing information and for operational reasons, it was not possible to state completely events at Nuseirat. In any case, the version shown and the explanation given regarding those hurt in the action, along with the video footage, are correct."

Mr Sarid is unconvinced and is still threatening to go public with the information he has.

"It is evident the number of casualties is higher than the military claimed," he said. "It is now clear how incorrect the information the military gave was. Further clarification is needed to determine how deceptive the information was intended to be."

No where in the article does the military state that it lied. According to the story spun by "Sarid" the military lied. In addition no where does the article state "that it was an American-made Flechette"...it is "SPECULATION"...by Sarid.

directfiesta · 11-21-2003, 12:01 AM

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Originally posted by theking

No where in the article does the military state that it lied. According to the story spun by "Sarid" the military lied. In addition no where does the article state "that it was an American-made Flechette"...it is "SPECULATION"...by Sarid.

You really live in a state of denial....

Fifth paragraph from the TOP ( in case you count from bottom to say it is not true...):

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But the army now admits that it lied in briefings to the Israeli and foreign press, because the second rocket was not a Hellfire missile.

" army admits that it lied"...

English is not my mothertongue, but I think that I am able to understand and comprehend 5 words ....

BTW, Elvis IS DEAD ....

testuser · 11-21-2003, 12:02 AM

Oh geeze, I can almost predict what's going to happen in this thread...

Anyway, isn't it enough to know that the military fired a damn MISSILE near civiliians?

And anyway, further along in the article.

"But the army now admits that it lied in briefings to the Israeli and foreign press, because the second rocket was not a Hellfire missile."

Odin88 · 11-21-2003, 12:07 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/video/38..._guerin_vi.ram

Poor quality, but you get the idea.

directfiesta · 11-21-2003, 12:13 AM

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Originally posted by theking

"army admits that it lied" is not a quote by the Army...you quoted what the writer of the article and/or Sirid has stated. There are are not any statements in the article that are actually quoted from an Army source.

theking · 11-21-2003, 12:13 AM

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Originally posted by directfiesta

" army admits that it lied"...

English is not my mothertongue, but I think that I am able to understand and comprehend 5 words ....

BTW, Elvis IS DEAD ....

"army admits that it lied" is not a quote by the Army...you quoted what the writer of the article and/or Sirid has stated. There are are not any statements in the article that are actually quoted from an Army source...admitting to any lie.

theking · 11-21-2003, 12:21 AM

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Originally posted by directfiesta

There are are not any statements in the article that are actually quoted from an Army source...admitting to any lie. The Guardian is one of the ones that prints BS...as if it were fact. If you can find some sources where a named Army spokesman actually made admissions...then make your case. The Guardian article is laughable.

directfiesta · 11-21-2003, 12:36 AM

Since you decided that the " Guardian" is a piece of BS propaganda , maybe this newspaper from a small US city should do:

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According to Israeli media accounts Thursday, Halutz told Israeli reporters that the two missiles were Hellfires -- laser-guided missiles made in the United States -- when he knew they were not. In a separate briefing for foreign reporters, including one from The Washington Post, another air force official refused to identify the type of missiles that were fired.

The sources said the Israeli military now maintains that the missiles that were fired were not significantly more powerful or destructive than Hellfires and would not have caused more casualties.

But the issue has added to the controversy over the military and its tactics in responding to the Palestinian uprising.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2003Nov20.html

testuser · 11-21-2003, 12:47 AM

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman..."

theking · 11-21-2003, 01:01 AM

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Originally posted by directfiesta
Since you decided that the " Guardian" is a piece of BS propaganda , maybe this newspaper from a small US city should do:

A better source...with quotes attributed to the Chief of Staff.

"it was not possible to give full details regarding the incident . . . due to field security and operational concerns, and in order not to compromise vital security details."

"Perhaps, due to the operational and security sensitivity of the matter at hand, we erred in the way we chose to define the operational means we used,"

"It is important to stress that there was no intention to mislead."

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