When buying content...

[Oracle Porn]

I saw two threads that inspired me to open this thread...one was bradshaw's and AaronM's...

Most newbies... and many not too newbies don't know how to protect themselves... I can bet I dont protect myself %100 on the content side

So here are some questions...

Most if not all content provides provide you only 2257 info and license... no ids or model releases.
Is it safe to use content without having a model release and some ids?

Second question Im using galleries and someone told me that I don't have to put a link to my 2257 info on every gallery but only on my root directory.. Is it true?

Third question when using sponsored free content what do I put in my 2257? Do I need to copy all the info from the sponsor's site or just link to their 2257 page?

[BrentD]

You can use it if you want, but the reason for ids is in case you get raided by the gov or local police then you have proof on file and don't have to say well contact this guy to provide it while you wait in jail. But then again if you ask Mike Jones if having proof of age on file works with local police he will probally tell you no, because they don't care.

Thos who include releases like we used to do are asking for trouble, because you get models suing you for passing out their real names, any webmaster can see the state id and the models real name and then put 2 and 2 together and some even leave addresses and phone numbers open, this causes the model to sue your ass under the privacy act of 1974.

We attempted to include model releases with all personal information blacked out, but by the time you do this you are handing out nothing but a model release as it would be read before it was signed and filled out so whats the use in doing this?

So I would at least request a photo id blacked of the model with her birthdate and face on it, you don't need anything more then this as this is your proof of age. When it comes to proof of ownership that falls back on the one selling the content, not you.

As far as the galleries and posting 2257 info, adult xxx law people will tell you that you should seperate each adn every producer to their own page and show 2257 info at the bottom fo EVERY page on your website. Personally I use one 2257 statement at the bottom of my page with my name and address on it and then they can come see me, considering I use 98% my own content and don't buy much content to use.

As far as free sponsor content this is questionable, I mean who can say a sponsor even owns the content that they give to you to use, anyone can put a copyright graphic on photos. I would definately at least use their 2257 info on teh pages.

[Juicy D. Links]

After the MAtrix BS i use Kazaa and usenet for my content

[AaronM]

Originally posted by Oracle Porn
I saw two threads that inspired me to open this thread...one was bradshaw's and AaronM's...

Most newbies... and many not too newbies don't know how to protect themselves... I can bet I dont protect myself %100 on the content side

So here are some questions...

1: Most if not all content provides provide you only 2257 info and license... no ids or model releases.
Is it safe to use content without having a model release and some ids?

2: Second question Im using galleries and someone told me that I don't have to put a link to my 2257 info on every gallery but only on my root directory.. Is it true?

3: Third question when using sponsored free content what do I put in my 2257? Do I need to copy all the info from the sponsor's site or just link to their 2257 page?

Not to be a dick but you need to ask an attorney.

Here are my opinions based on the attorneys that I have spoken to.

1: If your provider is doing things right...Yes

2: I would link EVERY one if I were you. If not a link then atleast post an unlinked URL.

3: Either one

That's my

Did I mention that you should check with an attorney?

[Oracle Porn]

Originally posted by BrentD
You can use it if you want, but the reason for ids is in case you get raided by the gov or local police then you have proof on file and don't have to say well contact this guy to provide it while you wait in jail. But then again if you ask Mike Jones if having proof of age on file works with local police he will probally tell you no, because they don't care.

Thos who include releases like we used to do are asking for trouble, because you get models suing you for passing out their real names, any webmaster can see the state id and the models real name and then put 2 and 2 together and some even leave addresses and phone numbers open, this causes the model to sue your ass under the privacy act of 1974.

We attempted to include model releases with all personal information blacked out, but by the time you do this you are handing out nothing but a model release as it would be read before it was signed and filled out so whats the use in doing this?

So I would at least request a photo id blacked of the model with her birthdate and face on it, you don't need anything more then this as this is your proof of age. When it comes to proof of ownership that falls back on the one selling the content, not you.

As far as the galleries and posting 2257 info, adult xxx law people will tell you that you should seperate each adn every producer to their own page and show 2257 info at the bottom fo EVERY page on your website. Personally I use one 2257 statement at the bottom of my page with my name and address on it and then they can come see me, considering I use 98% my own content and don't buy much content to use.

As far as free sponsor content this is questionable, I mean who can say a sponsor even owns the content that they give to you to use, anyone can put a copyright graphic on photos. I would definately at least use their 2257 info on teh pages.

So, your saying that if I bought content from you I should request id and model release?

What if I dont use my own content than I should put 2257 info on EVERY gallery?

If you use %98 of your own content then whats with the other %2? You don't put any 2257 info for them?

[AaronM]

Originally posted by Oracle Porn


1: So, your saying that if I bought content from you I should request id and model release?

2: What if I dont use my own content than I should put 2257 info on EVERY gallery?

3: If you use %98 of your own content then whats with the other %2? You don't put any 2257 info for them?

1: I never even implied that.

2: IMHO..Yes.

3: Either you are 100% covered or you are not. You can go to jail for a 2% fuck up just as easily as you can for a 98% fuck up.

[BrentD]

Originally posted by Oracle Porn


So, your saying that if I bought content from you I should request id and model release?

What if I dont use my own content than I should put 2257 info on EVERY gallery?

If you use %98 of your own content then whats with the other %2? You don't put any 2257 info for them?

At cd-media.net some content from the past has no ids or releases because in the begining we did not require them back in 1997-98.

All of the content has a 2257 record keeping file and webmaster license agreement at the very least, this is a must required for us to sell content for producers.

Some content has photo ids and releases added, awhile back we started adding ids and releases, some producers still include releases with ids.

Now all content we take in has title18.txt, webmaster license agreement, photo id and some still include a release but we do not require it.

As far as using 2257 for every gallery, as I said the lawyers at adult xxx law and xxx law will tell you yes but I don't, I state that I keep records and to come check me out (which also answers your 3rd question here). But on this issue I would ask your lawyer to find out whats best for you and fits your needs.

[Oracle Porn]

At cd-media.net some content from the past has no ids or releases because in the begining we did not require them back in 1997-98.

So basicly if I buy this content Im fucked?

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So I didn't get an answer to my question... You know I bought a little content from you a couple of days ago... should I ask you for ids and releases to be on the safe side... would you recommend it?

[Nydahl]

Originally posted by Oracle Porn


So basicly if I buy this content Im fucked?

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So I didn't get an answer to my question... You know I bought a little content from you a couple of days ago... should I ask you for ids and releases to be on the safe side... would you recommend it?

read Aarons replay again man - you don't need IDs and releases but have to know who is custodian of records and original producer because original producer is responsible for shooting 18+ models only not you.

[tranza]

Ok, maybe I'm way off in this one but: doesn't the 2257 stuff includes a picture of a photo id of the model along with the release???

[Oracle Porn]

Originally posted by tranza
Ok, maybe I'm way off in this one but: doesn't the 2257 stuff includes a picture of a photo id of the model along with the release???

I think its only the info of the record keeper

[Loch]

You have cleerly been looking in the wrong places.
Most good providers i know of provide id´s with every set you buy.

As for 2257 info, as AaronM said.
Contact your lawyer.

[JDog]

Originally posted by juicylinks
After the MAtrix BS i use Kazaa and usenet for my content

Another great way to end up in a lawsuit!


jDoG

[BrentD]

Originally posted by Oracle Porn


So basicly if I buy this content Im fucked?

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So I didn't get an answer to my question... You know I bought a little content from you a couple of days ago... should I ask you for ids and releases to be on the safe side... would you recommend it?

Everything listed in the description is in the zip files, if the title came with ids and releases its in there, if it didn'tt hen you can contact the Producer through their title18.txt file and ask them for photo ids and releases for previous titles that they didn't provide to us in teh past because we didn't require them back them but now we do.

[BrentD]

Originally posted by tranza
Ok, maybe I'm way off in this one but: doesn't the 2257 stuff includes a picture of a photo id of the model along with the release???

A model release has nothing to do with Title 18 US Code 2257 or Part 75. But most of us producers collect the required 2257 info on our model releases, if you buy content from a producer make sure to ask them if their content is 2257 compliant, alot will tell you yes but some aren't complaint, and this is why:

2257 requires you to collect not only 2 forms of id, one being a photo and the other being a SS card or military id or whatever, but they also require us to collect information that most producers do not such as models mainden name, any married names, stage names, modeling names and etc. The Gov wants to know any name the model has ever used whether it be fake or real. Be careful because alot of producers say, oh we don't need all that, we got a signed release and her id thats enough. It is enough till Ashhahahahaha knocks on their door and asks to see 2257 compliancy hahaha

[AaronM]

Originally posted by AaronM


1: I never even implied that.

2: IMHO..Yes.

3: Either you are 100% covered or you are not. You can go to jail for a 2% fuck up just as easily as you can for a 98% fuck up.

Oops. He was not replying to me. My bad.

Still my answers stand the same.

[Oracle Porn]

Originally posted by AaronM



Oops. He was not replying to me. My bad.

Still my answers stand the same.

you've been smokinn boooooooooooooooy?

[tmphoto]

This only addresses one part of your question, and it really isn't an answer.

But,

All of our content for sale includes 2257 info, model ID and release in every set, and with every CD purchase.

We do try to help provide and protect our customers with full documentation.

I have heard some nasty stories about photo sets that got webmasters in trouble after the content provider was unreachable for IDs and releases.

[ModelPerfect]

I personally would never buy or use content that I didn't have the docs for myself. Think about it: You're relying on somebody else, who you have no control over, to keep the records straight, but if they screw up, go out of business, or whatever, it's YOU that gets in trouble. Cover your butt, and get copies yourself, even though *legally* the guy you purchase from can be the listed custodian of records.

[Jay3]

AaronM gave you the best advise consult a Lawyer...even one messed up model release out of 1 million can get your ass thrown in Jail...so any % of the time fucked up is not accecptable.

[freeadultcontent]

Side notes:

Yes you are not required to have copies of the ID ect if you are not the primary producer, but if you are raided having copies can prevent a few days in jail (note they like raiding right around 5pm on a friday, and love 3 day weekends) while they contact the primary producers to get copies of the records.

Personally I expect copies from people I buy from with a few exceptions. Reason is a large chunk of so called providers do not even have a compliant 2257 warning on their own pages so why in the hell should I trust them with keeping my virgin ass out of jail?

BrentD, since you mentioned the privacy act of 1974 and by the way there is another recent one. I have a comment about that as well. This just once again shows how many providers have not a clue about laws that can effect them or their buyers. The privacy laws can easily be diverted if a provider adds the correct clauses to their model release forms, of course odds are that the vast majority have not. As I am pretty positive the closest many providers have come to an attorney is from watching last weeks Law and Order. Just by looking around at most providers licenses it is painfully obvious that lots of them just borrowed another providers license, changed the names and put it up. The thought of what their releases look like send shivers down my spine.

One day I hope to see a provider clearing house that gives out stamps of approval for safe content. Almost like a good housekeeping seal of approval. Where the clearing house will have physically visited the provider, looked over their record keeping, checked the providers releases, do random visits during normal business hours to make sure a provider is compliant and all that type of stuff. Yet alas I do not see this ever happening, since nobody would pay for such a service.