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Dusen · 11-18-2003, 05:23 AM

I don't mind their extensive fraud control methods. Who can blame them nowadays.

But I think they should definately approve URLs within a reasonable amount of time. I have a URL 'pending review' for almost 2 weeks now.

Space Puppy · 11-18-2003, 05:24 AM

join the club

they are still quicker than overture though

johnbosh · 11-18-2003, 05:28 AM

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Originally posted by Space Puppy
join the club

they are still quicker than overture though

how long there?

Dusen · 11-18-2003, 05:29 AM

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Originally posted by Space Puppy
join the club

they are still quicker than overture though

Overture gets things done, no matter the size within 72 hours max for me.

Space Puppy · 11-18-2003, 05:30 AM

going on 1 month now.

sent several emails, faxes and called them up a bunch of times almost daily in fact, they only have answer machines to leave a # so they can call you back.

im probably going to end up running a chargeback through the bank, not a lot only deposited $250 with them thankfully.

WiredGuy · 11-18-2003, 07:30 AM

Keyword approvals take a while, but url reviews usually take 1-2 hours tops. You gotta get a dedicated rep to superview your account and they can get url's approved in a matter of hours versus weeks. Especially if you already have keywords approved and you just need to change the adcopy.

WG

WiredGuy · 11-18-2003, 07:32 AM

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Originally posted by Dusen
Overture gets things done, no matter the size within 72 hours max for me.

But with Findwhat, most people have a chance of getting their urls listed. With Overture, good luck!

WG

Wizzo · 11-18-2003, 07:40 AM

Findwhat is Fucking stupid... I bought traffic from them for about 2 years, then decide to change cards and they want me to send a xerox copy of the new card... Fuck them, they need to join the new century and put in place some modern fruad control...

Dusen · 11-18-2003, 07:57 AM

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Originally posted by WiredGuy

But with Findwhat, most people have a chance of getting their urls listed. With Overture, good luck!

WG

Are you referring to the high bids on Overture? I agree, it is difficult to get a good level of traffic without bidding rediculously.

WiredGuy · 11-18-2003, 08:20 AM

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Originally posted by Dusen
Are you referring to the high bids on Overture? I agree, it is difficult to get a good level of traffic without bidding rediculously.

I was more referring to the chances of getting listings approved. They always contradict each other on denying listings. The high bid rates is annoying too but has always been there.

WG

ZoiNk · 11-18-2003, 09:45 AM

for PPC, try www.kanoodle.com They have some nice people in their adult department. Even got a call one day from them asking if there was anything that I needed to help me use them better, such as their acceptable adult list.

ZoiNk

Vendot · 11-18-2003, 09:52 AM

> Findwhat is Fucking stupid... I bought traffic from them
> for about 2 years, then decide to change cards and they
> want me to send a xerox copy of the new card...

I'll second that... I could swear they'd double turnover if they just followed common practice where regards CCs instead of using dumb protocal.

The only reason I havent topped up my account is cos of this stupid policy.

Anyone know a PPC that will allow you to pay via PAYPAL ???

cool1g · 11-18-2003, 10:35 AM

wow - i've never had a new listing take more than 7 days to get approved...usually its more like 3 or 4. i have no idea why some of you are having problems like that.

as to Kanoodle - their traffic quality is lower than findwhat, overture, google and even goclick.

Theo · 11-18-2003, 10:47 AM

Findwhat failed in the past to verify 4 of my credit cards from different banks. They were always coming with some excuses like the bank didn't reply on the phone. They fax they sent wasn't very clear blah balh.....please wire us the money.

WiredGuy · 11-18-2003, 10:56 AM

I had no idea FW was this difficult to deal with. I've never once had a single complaint about them, they've been great to me over the past 2 years.

WG

Hustler DJ · 11-18-2003, 11:06 AM

Overture -- if you're not getting approved/rejected within 72 hours, rest assured that they've lost your order (they call it a Search Listing Request). When their systems work, they work well -- but they're known to drop an occasional order here and there. It's lame, but it happens - believe me, I know.

Other important Overture-thing-to-know: if you're bidding on a search term that's not in their "official" list of adult terms, you're not gonna get it. What they do: They check to see if your site is rated X (largely automated process), then check to see if your search term is on their Adult List. If both the term and your site are rated X, you're fine. If one's not, you're rejected (another automated process). So don't bother coming up with the most obscure search term you can think of -- it's probably not on their adult terms list, and it's probably gonna get rejected without a human even seeing it...

As for FindWhat... who cares. They lost Yahoo to Overture in Europe and they're gonna blow the eSpotting deal. May as well spend your time with Kanoodle or Aha or any of the other, cheaper also-rans...

WiredGuy · 11-18-2003, 11:15 AM

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Originally posted by Hustler DJ
As for FindWhat... who cares. They lost Yahoo to Overture in Europe and they're gonna blow the eSpotting deal. May as well spend your time with Kanoodle or Aha or any of the other, cheaper also-rans...

I disagree, some of my best ROI comes from Findwhat. I still have a few accounts generating 600%+ versus the ROI from someone like Overture. Each PPC engine has its advantages and disadvantages.

WG

Hustler DJ · 11-18-2003, 08:15 PM

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Originally posted by WiredGuy
I disagree, some of my best ROI comes from Findwhat. I still have a few accounts generating 600%+ versus the ROI from someone like Overture. Each PPC engine has its advantages and disadvantages.

Naw, you're totally right WG -- I was being a bit facetious at the expense of the FindWhat guys. Unfairly so. They've actually got a really strong program -- I've used it, and I'll use it again. I just prefer Overture for pure size/ease of use, that's all.

WiredGuy · 11-18-2003, 08:18 PM

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Originally posted by Hustler DJ
Naw, you're totally right WG -- I was being a bit facetious at the expense of the FindWhat guys. Unfairly so. They've actually got a really strong program -- I've used it, and I'll use it again. I just prefer Overture for pure size/ease of use, that's all.

Overture definitely has the size. I'm not so sure about their ease of use though! Getting keywords online is a struggle and a half

WG

Hustler DJ · 11-18-2003, 08:28 PM

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Originally posted by WiredGuy
Overture definitely has the size. I'm not so sure about their ease of use though! Getting keywords online is a struggle and a half

True dat... I've tried for a long time now to at least get them to make their "adult terms" list public -- as a service to the webmaster community. No luck so far, but I'm all for tilting at the occasional windmill...

WiredGuy · 11-18-2003, 08:58 PM

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Originally posted by Hustler DJ
True dat... I've tried for a long time now to at least get them to make their "adult terms" list public -- as a service to the webmaster community. No luck so far, but I'm all for tilting at the occasional windmill...

That list is a "company secret". How wonderful is that, we want you to advertise with us, but we have a secret white list of keywords you can only use, but we can't show you this list. Don't you just love Overture!

WG

11-18-2003, 05:23 AM	#1
Dusen Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: East Coast. Posts: 2,251	Findwhat.com I don't mind their extensive fraud control methods. Who can blame them nowadays. But I think they should definately approve URLs within a reasonable amount of time. I have a URL 'pending review' for almost 2 weeks now. __________________ Penis Pill Sponsor List and Reviews: http://www.pillsponsors.com

11-18-2003, 07:30 AM	#6
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,490	Keyword approvals take a while, but url reviews usually take 1-2 hours tops. You gotta get a dedicated rep to superview your account and they can get url's approved in a matter of hours versus weeks. Especially if you already have keywords approved and you just need to change the adcopy. WG __________________ I play with Google.

11-18-2003, 07:40 AM	#8
Wizzo 2011 GFY Hall of Fame! Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Back in Texas! Posts: 15,224	Findwhat is Fucking stupid... I bought traffic from them for about 2 years, then decide to change cards and they want me to send a xerox copy of the new card... Fuck them, they need to join the new century and put in place some modern fruad control... __________________ Looking for Opportunity!

11-18-2003, 09:45 AM	#11
ZoiNk Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 2,370	for PPC, try www.kanoodle.com They have some nice people in their adult department. Even got a call one day from them asking if there was anything that I needed to help me use them better, such as their acceptable adult list. ZoiNk __________________ "People can have the Model T in any color - so long as it's black." - Henry Ford

11-18-2003, 09:52 AM	#12
Vendot Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Malaysia Posts: 3,376	> Findwhat is Fucking stupid... I bought traffic from them > for about 2 years, then decide to change cards and they > want me to send a xerox copy of the new card... I'll second that... I could swear they'd double turnover if they just followed common practice where regards CCs instead of using dumb protocal. The only reason I havent topped up my account is cos of this stupid policy. Anyone know a PPC that will allow you to pay via PAYPAL ??? __________________ "In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth is a Revolutionary Act." - George Orwell

11-18-2003, 05:24 AM	#2
Space Puppy So Fucking Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 817	join the club they are still quicker than overture though

11-18-2003, 05:30 AM	#5
Space Puppy So Fucking Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 817	going on 1 month now. sent several emails, faxes and called them up a bunch of times almost daily in fact, they only have answer machines to leave a # so they can call you back. im probably going to end up running a chargeback through the bank, not a lot only deposited $250 with them thankfully.

11-18-2003, 10:35 AM	#13
cool1g Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Hollyweird adjacent Posts: 977	wow - i've never had a new listing take more than 7 days to get approved...usually its more like 3 or 4. i have no idea why some of you are having problems like that. as to Kanoodle - their traffic quality is lower than findwhat, overture, google and even goclick.

11-18-2003, 10:47 AM	#14
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	Findwhat failed in the past to verify 4 of my credit cards from different banks. They were always coming with some excuses like the bank didn't reply on the phone. They fax they sent wasn't very clear blah balh.....please wire us the money.

11-18-2003, 10:56 AM	#15
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,490	I had no idea FW was this difficult to deal with. I've never once had a single complaint about them, they've been great to me over the past 2 years. WG __________________ I play with Google.

11-18-2003, 11:06 AM	#16
Hustler DJ Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: El Lay, Sea Yay Posts: 469	Overture -- if you're not getting approved/rejected within 72 hours, rest assured that they've lost your order (they call it a Search Listing Request). When their systems work, they work well -- but they're known to drop an occasional order here and there. It's lame, but it happens - believe me, I know. Other important Overture-thing-to-know: if you're bidding on a search term that's not in their "official" list of adult terms, you're not gonna get it. What they do: They check to see if your site is rated X (largely automated process), then check to see if your search term is on their Adult List. If both the term and your site are rated X, you're fine. If one's not, you're rejected (another automated process). So don't bother coming up with the most obscure search term you can think of -- it's probably not on their adult terms list, and it's probably gonna get rejected without a human even seeing it... As for FindWhat... who cares. They lost Yahoo to Overture in Europe and they're gonna blow the eSpotting deal. May as well spend your time with Kanoodle or Aha or any of the other, cheaper also-rans... __________________ Darren - Sales/Marketing Guy -- FlyntDigital/HustlerContent ICQ: 2907527