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mrthumbs · 11-15-2003, 09:29 PM

..and shit is about to hit the fan..

BradShaw · 11-15-2003, 09:32 PM

ARS dialer stuff has been in the works for many months. Such a complete dialer solution is not something you create in a month or two. I would not read into it too much, other than its great for your foreign traffic. We have been using dialers for years. Used correctly, they can add alot to your bottom line.

hyper · 11-15-2003, 09:33 PM

well i hope i dont get caught in the fallout

quiet · 11-15-2003, 09:34 PM

doober · 11-15-2003, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mrthumbs
..and shit is about to hit the fan..

wachu talkin about willis?

MattO · 11-15-2003, 09:42 PM

Interesting...

Jon Levi · 11-15-2003, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mrthumbs
..and shit is about to hit the fan..

Perhaps they are WAAAAAY over the 1% chargeback limit?

Jon Levi · 11-15-2003, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BradShaw
We have been using dialers for years. Used correctly, they can add alot to your bottom line.

Except you dont give the webmasters credit for your dialer usage

mrthumbs · 11-15-2003, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BradShaw
ARS dialer stuff has been in the works for many months. Such a complete dialer solution is not something you create in a month or two. I would not read into it too much, other than its great for your foreign traffic. We have been using dialers for years. Used correctly, they can add alot to your bottom line.

exactly.. but ARS has one of the biggest (if not biggest) webmaster databases of this industry. There are more cost effective methods for them to market a crappy dialer program.

If they just want to show off and make a statement they
could have launched another program or just make it an
'ARS owns the universe" kind of thing.

For an advertisement campagne of this size (and budget) you better come up with something max profitable.. and in the current environment thats not a dialer program..

However... if MC of Visa announces by Feb "no more adult rebills"
ARS made the smartest move and a move that explains and justifies this massive take-over.... dont you think..?

doober · 11-15-2003, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mrthumbs

However... if MC of Visa announces by Feb "no more adult rebills"

this would truly fuck the shit up

quiet · 11-15-2003, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by doober

this would truly fuck the shit up

early retirement. i look forward to it...

BradShaw · 11-15-2003, 09:50 PM

MrThumbs, there is HUGE $ to be made running a dialer program. Marc is no dummy. A few people in this biz are making over $1million a month running such programs.

So $50k (or whatever they spent) is peanuts to get the word out about it.

Theo · 11-15-2003, 09:53 PM

ARS just added new censored tours (long time after introducing ADS). I don't think it has anything to do for the moment with visa/mc.

mrthumbs · 11-15-2003, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BradShaw
MrThumbs, there is HUGE $ to be made running a dialer program. Marc is no dummy. A few people in this biz are making over $1million a month running such programs.

So $50k (or whatever they spent) is peanuts to get the word out about it.

Oh im sure dialers are big business.. but unless it becomes ESSENTIAL business there are more profitable ways to spend
50k advertising on.. even i know that ;)

doober · 11-15-2003, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet

early retirement. i look forward to it...

i dont!
at your rate you should just let me take over and you can live the good life...

gonna go see if i can find me some honeys

cheers

Plan9 · 11-15-2003, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mrthumbs

Oh im sure dialers are big business.. but unless it becomes ESSENTIAL business there are more profitable ways to spend
50k advertising on.. even i know that ;)

Perhaps ARS wants to take there dialer from being "just another dialer" to being the best in the business...and they are attempting to brand ADS. And whaddya know? Its working!

Id say its a VERY effective advertsiting campaign. Easily worth the 50k, or whatever it costs, considering the number of webmasters that are probably trying out their program right now. How long do you think its gonna take for them to make a return on that 50k? No time at all, Im sure...

BrentD · 11-15-2003, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mrthumbs
..and shit is about to hit the fan..

Time to get your own merchant account, I doubt Visa/MC would fuck with companies that have their own merchant accounts as long as they aren't doing alot of chargebacks, hell I have had my merchant accounts since 1997 and I have had no more then 5 chargebacks I would say and thats usually only due to people using stolen card numbers.

EZRhino · 11-15-2003, 10:07 PM

gornyhuy · 11-15-2003, 10:16 PM

I hate when MrThumbs scares me.

MattO · 11-15-2003, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BrentD

Time to get your own merchant account,

sounds like a good idea!

titmowse · 11-15-2003, 10:52 PM

never mind. i get paid to write the stuff i was gonna write

quiet · 11-15-2003, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by titmowse
never mind. i get paid to write the stuff i was gonna write

doh!!

titmowse · 11-15-2003, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet

doh!!

i haven't posted in hours. i had to post something.

::whiny girl::

tony286 · 11-15-2003, 11:17 PM

Who do you recommend for dialers? I looked at one to add to my paysite and they paid crap. It would be one for a pay site.

Jimbo · 11-15-2003, 11:20 PM

Marc is a genius, lets just put it that way

Dravyk · 11-15-2003, 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BradShaw
MrThumbs, there is HUGE $ to be made running a dialer program. Marc is no dummy. A few people in this biz are making over $1million a month running such programs.

So $50k (or whatever they spent) is peanuts to get the word out about it.

Once a year I agree with Brad. Apparently it's Happy Anniversary time already.

scooby doo as scooby does · 11-16-2003, 02:01 AM

VISA start to clamp down on chargebacks. Several large affiliate driven companies, known for some of the practises that contribute to large chargeback ratios start to introduce diallers & $10 sites and other gimmicks etc. You think it's coincidence ?

Call me cynical in my old age, but I can't help thinking there's a connection. And I don't think it's to do with VISA withdrawing adult processing across the board.

The more of this shit appears, the more I think there's a bloodbath coming.

SleazyDream · 11-16-2003, 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BradShaw
ARS dialer stuff has been in the works for many months. Such a complete dialer solution is not something you create in a month or two. I would not read into it too much, other than its great for your foreign traffic. We have been using dialers for years. Used correctly, they can add alot to your bottom line.

corectly is the word that should be underlined there though

Snake Doctor · 11-16-2003, 06:01 AM

Nothing's about to hit anything.....this has been in the works for quite some time.

Marc De made no secret of the fact that he was pissed off about VISA's new rules and was agressively working on new billing solutions so that if VISA got any worse he could tell them to go fuck themselves and still continue business as usual.

I think the dialer is just the first part of that.....I know there are people working on better checking solutions and recurring web 900 also.

There's no good reason that VISA should be able to kick us in the nuts whenever they feel like it.....other than the fact that we've been so comfortable with the status quo that we haven't aggressively pursued other billing models and revenue streams.

As usual ARS is leading the charge.

Furious_Female · 11-16-2003, 07:44 AM

I just think it was a strategic move for all the paysites that would go under due to Visa. Not to mention, there aren't any good dialer programs out there anymore... So it's always a back up plan to what Visa/MasterCard might do in the near or distant future. I think we all know Visa/MC will fuck with us all some more eventually...

EvilToyBoy · 11-16-2003, 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dravyk
Once a year I agree with Brad. Apparently it's Happy Anniversary time already.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Even if I DIDN'T agree, that is still too damn funny!!!

btw... happy anniversary boys...

Hammer · 11-16-2003, 08:03 AM

Makes perfect sense to me. Just think how much money could be made by dialer companies if they came out with one that was comparable in price to a normal $24.95 membership. We could all tell Visa to go fuck themselves and make a ton more money.

Currently dialers are way too expensive to compete with credit cards and are used only as an alternative for those that don't have credit cards, but wouldn't it be great if they actually did compete price wise with credit card prices?

The first company to come out with a flat rate dialer will be the next Microsoft.

TheFLY · 11-16-2003, 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mrthumbs

exactly.. but ARS has one of the biggest (if not biggest) webmaster databases of this industry. There are more cost effective methods for them to market a crappy dialer program.

If they just want to show off and make a statement they
could have launched another program or just make it an
'ARS owns the universe" kind of thing.

For an advertisement campagne of this size (and budget) you better come up with something max profitable.. and in the current environment thats not a dialer program..

However... if MC of Visa announces by Feb "no more adult rebills"
ARS made the smartest move and a move that explains and justifies this massive take-over.... dont you think..?

the traffic won't move to dialers if we lose rebills -- it'll move to sites that actually have good content worth renewing a membership for (ex: interactive sites)

TheFLY · 11-16-2003, 09:41 AM

Dialup is on the way out anyway -- it's too slow... Unless this ADS thing is like that "DSL Dialer" that TheHun was supposed to launch...? It wasn't really a DSL dialer -- you had to use dialup to pay for the access code to get into the site...

Nysus · 11-16-2003, 10:35 AM

They're just trying to reach every source of traffic, and burn into our heads that we know / have heard of / have seen their Adult Dialer Solution ...

Cheers,
Matt

goBigtime · 11-16-2003, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet

early retirement. i look forward to it...

What about that $300k/mo monkey on your back?

KRL · 11-16-2003, 01:28 PM

ARS didn't get to where they are today by making non-strategic moves. There is a highly thought out reason for every move when you are on that level and tens of millions of dollars are at stake.

Mike AI · 11-16-2003, 03:11 PM

This shit has hit the fan, its just taking a little long before it sprays over everyone....

socalcash · 11-16-2003, 03:47 PM

Where does everyone keep comming up with VISA/MASTERCARD taking away rebills? I live off of processor gossip and that has never been mentioned. I have heard about lowering CB ratios and many other obvious requirements...but never this rumor?

FlatRate Dialers have already came and gone in the US and IBILL
currently has a somewhat similar solution.

This seems like a great business model and I hope ARS has great success.

BTW, only one Dialer company has a stamp of approval from the US government and that would be no CreditCard. Keep in mind dialers are for international clients and really have very little value to US customers in comparisson to checks & cc's

on that note...

ItBurnsWhenIpee · 11-16-2003, 06:21 PM

Since when is $50K a lot of money to ARS?

They send more than that much every month to their top 20 webmasters. Each. I don't even want to know how much everyone else combines to.

JDog · 11-16-2003, 06:32 PM

Damnit, what is it? I wanna know what shit is goin down!

jDoG

TheFLY · 11-16-2003, 08:19 PM

Maybe he's right... Maybe shit is gonna hit.

partytime · 11-16-2003, 08:41 PM

If you have one, don't quit your day job.

icedemon · 11-16-2003, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheFLY
Maybe he's right... Maybe shit is gonna hit.

I thought some kinda shit hits the adult business every month. This seems to be the biggest year that I've seen of shit going down. Can't wait till next year to see what old and new shit is going to happen.

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