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I'm still waiting for my answers but even on their own site in their own support forum they aren't willing to tell you how much they are charging surfers. Hell their guys Toolz who we've seen show up on here claims that he doesn't even know the specifics of how much someone would get charged. Is anyone buying this?

http://www.adultdialersolution.com/s...wtopic.php?t=9

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11-15-2003, 12:56 PM

Intresting....what do they have to hide?

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11-15-2003, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by Digipimp
I'm still waiting for my answers but even on their own site in their own support forum they aren't willing to tell you how much they are charging surfers. Hell their guys Toolz who we've seen show up on here claims that he doesn't even know the specifics of how much someone would get charged. Is anyone buying this?

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11-15-2003, 12:58 PM

Why do you care? As long as I get paid a decent rate its all good
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11-15-2003, 12:59 PM

See they tell you some shit like well it's from this price to this price, and then back it up by saying well some places only pay 15 to 30 cents a minute. Yeah they only pay 30 cents a minute in a fucking country where they make $200 a month and that's cheap, yeah cheap to me cause I'm in the US, but in the US that's like charging $3 a minute.

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11-15-2003, 01:00 PM

Agreed...I like to know what or how much its going to cost the surfer

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11-15-2003, 01:01 PM

damn these colors suck . . . .wonder why they redirect away from that thread
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11-15-2003, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by spunky1
Agreed...I like to know what or how much its going to cost the surfer

I don't see why anyone doesn't understand that. If you're promoting a product you want to know what it's going to cost your surfers and how they are going to get charged and all that type of stuff. What's so hard to disclose your rate sheet of what you are charging people in all the countries?

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11-15-2003, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by Digipimp
See they tell you some shit like well it's from this price to this price, and then back it up by saying well some places only pay 15 to 30 cents a minute. Yeah they only pay 30 cents a minute in a fucking country where they make $200 a month and that's cheap, yeah cheap to me cause I'm in the US, but in the US that's like charging $3 a minute.

3$ a minute ? probably closer to 4 - 6$ a minute.. never got why dialers paid out so low.. less then 5% payout.. that's why i alwyase hated them.. making the affilaite program tuns and tuns of cash and get less then 5% and shit
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11-15-2003, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by spunky1
Agreed...I like to know what or how much its going to cost the surfer

Which I think brings up an interesting point . . . how many sponsor programs would you sign up to that you did not know how much your surfer was going to be charged?
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11-15-2003, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by baddog

Which I think brings up an interesting point . . . how many sponsor programs would you sign up to that you did not know how much your surfer was going to be charged?

I think the answer would be none. It's only quickbuck at any cost assholes that are down for that.

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11-15-2003, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by Digipimp
See they tell you some shit like well it's from this price to this price, and then back it up by saying well some places only pay 15 to 30 cents a minute. Yeah they only pay 30 cents a minute in a fucking country where they make $200 a month and that's cheap, yeah cheap to me cause I'm in the US, but in the US that's like charging $3 a minute.

I've given you a rough overview of what each country pays what are you looking for a country by country run-down of each individual amount the surfer is charged? Every country we pay out .06 a minute on the surfer is charged between .10 and .20 a minute every single different country is different and I'm not gonna bother to compile a list of each country that may generate 1% of the total minutes for you:
UK generates 60% of the minutes, surfer pays $1.70 a minute
Germany $1.02 a minute
New Zealand $1.10 a minute
Countries that pay out .30 a minute charge roughly .50-.60 per minute to the surfer. Answer your question better?
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11-15-2003, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by Toolz

I've given you a rough overview of what each country pays what are you looking for a country by country run-down of each individual amount the surfer is charged? Every country we pay out .06 a minute on the surfer is charged between .10 and .20 a minute every single different country is different and I'm not gonna bother to compile a list of each country that may generate 1% of the total minutes for you:
UK generates 60% of the minutes, surfer pays $1.70 a minute
Germany $1.02 a minute
New Zealand $1.10 a minute
Countries that pay out .30 a minute charge roughly .50-.60 per minute to the surfer. Answer your question better?

I do appreciate the info but I would like to have a rate sheet of each country and I think you guys would have that for your program. Like I said I'm not a fan of dialers but if times have changed then I would like to know that. Where does it show the surfer how much they are going to be charged and will the dialer autodial, force download and where is the info or support info on the websites to tell about the dialer. Thanks for the info you provided already, I just think some of us would like more.

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11-15-2003, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by Digipimp

I do appreciate the info but I would like to have a rate sheet of each country and I think you guys would have that for your program. Like I said I'm not a fan of dialers but if times have changed then I would like to know that. Where does it show the surfer how much they are going to be charged and will the dialer autodial, force download and where is the info or support info on the websites to tell about the dialer. Thanks for the info you provided already, I just think some of us would like more.

The surfer is show how much they are charged per minute based on their country before they click the connect button and also it shows up right next to the call timer that indicates how long they have been connected for. The dialer does not auto-dial or force download, the user must click okay to begin the download and must then agree to the TOS to connect the dialer.
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11-15-2003, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by Toolz

The surfer is show how much they are charged per minute based on their country before they click the connect button and also it shows up right next to the call timer that indicates how long they have been connected for. The dialer does not auto-dial or force download, the user must click okay to begin the download and must then agree to the TOS to connect the dialer.

So why can't you show me the rates for every country? Is that sucha difficult question to ask for an answer to?

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11-15-2003, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by Toolz

Germany $1.02 a minute

Germany ?1.86/Min mmmmm that's a little bit higher than 1.02$ hey, thats 2.19$/min ($/euro at 1.18)

(I just downloaded the .exe to make sure what they charge the germans)
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11-15-2003, 07:51 PM

freesex.exe, right?

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11-15-2003, 07:53 PM

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11-15-2003, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by strobi

Germany ?1.86/Min mmmmm that's a little bit higher than 1.02$ hey, thats 2.19$/min ($/euro at 1.18)

(I just downloaded the .exe to make sure what they charge the germans)

that is a pretty big difference, sounds like someone is misleading us. Who is it? Toolz or strobi?
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11-15-2003, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by strobi

Germany ?1.86/Min mmmmm that's a little bit higher than 1.02$ hey, thats 2.19$/min ($/euro at 1.18)

(I just downloaded the .exe to make sure what they charge the germans)

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11-15-2003, 08:40 PM

http://adultdialersolution.com/ratesheet.php
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11-15-2003, 09:41 PM

Doesn't seem like any of us are going to get an answer on the real rates that surfers have to pay.

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11-15-2003, 10:10 PM

There is a very good answer for this. The rates that the user pays are constantly being modified to suite different trends in government and accessablilities.
So if they gave you numbers today, then it could be in a week they would be totally different. So instead of going through all of that rigamaroll, it is WAY better just to not tell webmasters what the end user gets charged cause you know that you will bitch to no ends when it changes. The rate that you get paid always stays the same and the dialer company sucks it up with the rest.

as a general rule for the EU countries it is no more than 2 euros per minute, and a comparable amount in the other countries.
Trust me, just look at the amount that you will make as a webmaster and you will be much happier.

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11-15-2003, 10:47 PM

I have been very sceptic regarding ADS since I always believed surfers was ass raped by them but I downloaded the dialer and the rates aren´t that bad.
A couple of countries get assraped by the dialer but most get it at a decent rate:

These are the countries where I could find a rate per min.
Austria ?3.63
Belgium ?1.12
Germany ?1.86
Italy ?1.50
Luxembourg ?1.00
Netherlands ?0.70
New Zealand NZD 3.37
Poland PLZ 3.66
Portugal ?1.00
Spain ?0.91
Sweden SEK 15.70
Switzerland CHF 6.60
United Kingdom £1.50

For the rest of the countries it simply say:
"your modem will dial an INTERNATIONAL LONG-DISTANCE TELEPHONE CALL OR A DOMESTIC PREMIUM RATE TELEPHONE NUMBER. NO CREDIT CARD IS REQUIRED TO ACCESS THIS SERVICE, YOU WILL ONLY BE CHARGED ON A MINUTE BY MINUTE BASIS ON YOUR PHONE BILL FOR AN INTERNATIONAL LONG-DISTANCE CALL OR A DOMESTIC PREMIUM RATE CALL"

and it goes on and on saying that several times

There is also a broadband option for Hong Kong, UK and Australia
Australia AUD 13.15/12 hours or AUD5.45/ minute pay as you go the 12 hours option was default
Hong Kong HKD 10.00/ minute
United Kingdom 1 day/ 3 SMS at £1.50

For the rates regarding international call it depends very much on the country but my guess would be ?2.2 (EU countries) and lower
For some its the only option to get into a paysite and some are willing to pay for it and it clearly states that it is going to cost.

On the dialer page theres also the
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11-15-2003, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by Keyser Soze
I have been very sceptic regarding ADS since I always believed surfers was ass raped by them but I downloaded the dialer and the rates aren´t that bad.
A couple of countries get assraped by the dialer but most get it at a decent rate:

These are the countries where I could find a rate per min.
Austria ?3.63
Belgium ?1.12
Germany ?1.86
Italy ?1.50
Luxembourg ?1.00
Netherlands ?0.70
New Zealand NZD 3.37
Poland PLZ 3.66
Portugal ?1.00
Spain ?0.91
Sweden SEK 15.70
Switzerland CHF 6.60
United Kingdom £1.50

For the rest of the countries it simply say:
"your modem will dial an INTERNATIONAL LONG-DISTANCE TELEPHONE CALL OR A DOMESTIC PREMIUM RATE TELEPHONE NUMBER. NO CREDIT CARD IS REQUIRED TO ACCESS THIS SERVICE, YOU WILL ONLY BE CHARGED ON A MINUTE BY MINUTE BASIS ON YOUR PHONE BILL FOR AN INTERNATIONAL LONG-DISTANCE CALL OR A DOMESTIC PREMIUM RATE CALL"

and it goes on and on saying that several times

There is also a broadband option for Hong Kong, UK and Australia
Australia AUD 13.15/12 hours or AUD5.45/ minute pay as you go the 12 hours option was default
Hong Kong HKD 10.00/ minute
United Kingdom 1 day/ 3 SMS at £1.50

For the rates regarding international call it depends very much on the country but my guess would be ?2.2 (EU countries) and lower
For some its the only option to get into a paysite and some are willing to pay for it and it clearly states that it is going to cost.

On the dialer page theres also the
Netnanny | Surfwatch | Cybersitter | Cyberpatrol
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Awesome info, I'm on a mac so I can't pull a .exe to look at it myself so it's good to hear some did and got the info. Thanks! Seems those rates aren't that good, now we just have to match them up to payouts, I also have to figure out what euros to dollars is.

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11-15-2003, 11:00 PM

I tried to copy the download link for an anal site not sure if it works.

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11-15-2003, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by Digipimp

Awesome info, I'm on a mac so I can't pull a .exe to look at it myself so it's good to hear some did and got the info. Thanks! Seems those rates aren't that good, now we just have to match them up to payouts, I also have to figure out what euros to dollars is.

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11-15-2003, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by Keyser Soze

Exchange rates
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Yeah from what I thought the Euro and the Dollar were nearly equal with the Euro being worth slightly more. So it's 1 to 1.17 basically right now, which makes those rates pretty high if you ask me.

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11-15-2003, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by Digipimp

Awesome info, I'm on a mac so I can't pull a .exe to look at it myself so it's good to hear some did and got the info. Thanks! Seems those rates aren't that good, now we just have to match them up to payouts, I also have to figure out what euros to dollars is.

You can´t compare the rates for surfers to rates for webmasters.
Phone companies in some countries takes 20-40% in fees for premium lines.
You have to remember its not only ADS and the webmaster that takes a piece of the pie.

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11-15-2003, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by Digipimp

Yeah from what I thought the Euro and the Dollar were nearly equal with the Euro being worth slightly more. So it's 1 to 1.17 basically right now, which makes those rates pretty high if you ask me.

A part from Austria, UK, New Zealand and Germany I don´t think its so bad.

10 minutes at ?1 wouldn´t cost much more than a porn magazine for me.

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11-15-2003, 11:19 PM

Country Payout Surfer Rate

United Kingdom $1.41 $1.76
Switzerland $1.25 $4.95
Germany $0.50 $2.18
Australia $0.10 $3.93
Austria $0.38 $4.27
Spain $0.35 $1.07
Italy $0.32 $1.76
Belgium $0.25 $1.31
Sweden $0.20 $2.06
New Zealand $0.10 $2.12

For every other country except the US and Canada, ADS pays out .06 cents a minute according to their own rate table on their site, but the rates can?t be found as Keyser pointed out it doesn?t say specifically.

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11-15-2003, 11:21 PM

Originally posted by Digipimp
Country Payout Surfer Rate

United Kingdom $1.41 $1.76
Switzerland $1.25 $4.95
Germany $0.50 $2.18
Australia $0.10 $3.93
Austria $0.38 $4.27
Spain $0.35 $1.07
Italy $0.32 $1.76
Belgium $0.25 $1.31
Sweden $0.20 $2.06
New Zealand $0.10 $2.12

For every other country except the US and Canada, ADS pays out .06 cents a minute according to their own rate table on their site, but the rates can?t be found as Keyser pointed out it doesn?t say specifically.

Why do you care so much? Im sorry they did not offer to buy advertising on your site but this is a little overboard.
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11-15-2003, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by JulianSosa

Why do you care so much? Im sorry they did not offer to buy advertising on your site but this is a little overboard.

It's not overboard and it has nothing to do with my site. Do you not like to have the info on everything, would you promote a sponsor that you didn't know how much they were charging your surfer? I like to have the info and I said I was totally open to the fact that dialers have changed much since the early days. But I for one like to have the infor before I jump into something, I'm not just trying to make the quickest fastest money I can at the expense of anyone else.

The question might be, why would you care enough about my biz that you feel you need to know why I have any questions of a sponsors product?

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11-15-2003, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by Digipimp

Yeah from what I thought the Euro and the Dollar were nearly equal with the Euro being worth slightly more. So it's 1 to 1.17 basically right now, which makes those rates pretty high if you ask me.

Some surfers would much rather pay $10 or less to get a good wank off than pay $30+ to join a site, risk getting side-charged for another $100 from forced cross-sells or "free 3-day trials" that rebill in 24 hours, or have their credit card stolen.

They end up spending less money and have far more peace of mind.
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11-15-2003, 11:27 PM

Originally posted by Digipimp

It's not overboard and it has nothing to do with my site. Do you not like to have the info on everything, would you promote a sponsor that you didn't know how much they were charging your surfer? I like to have the info and I said I was totally open to the fact that dialers have changed much since the early days. But I for one like to have the infor before I jump into something, I'm not just trying to make the quickest fastest money I can at the expense of anyone else.

I would promote the sponsor that made me the most money period. If I wanted to see where that sponsor was making there money I would go through the join process myself and not post about it.
If I was serious about making money and used a mac I would buy a PC and check the process..

You are obviously looking to start shit
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11-15-2003, 11:28 PM

Originally posted by Carrie

Some surfers would much rather pay $10 or less to get a good wank off than pay $30+ to join a site, risk getting side-charged for another $100 from forced cross-sells or "free 3-day trials" that rebill in 24 hours, or have their credit card stolen.

They end up spending less money and have far more peace of mind.

I agree with that and I'm all about them having the options they choose and if only accessing a site for a few minutes is what a surfers wants then it's cool with me. I just like to know what they are paying as I do with all the sponsors.

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11-15-2003, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by JulianSosa

I would promote the sponsor that made me the most money period. If I wanted to see where that sponsor was making there money I would go through the join process myself and not post about it.
If I was serious about making money and used a mac I would buy a PC and check the process..

You are obviously looking to start shit

I appreciate your concern for what and how I do things and thanks for bumping my topic so that I got some of the info I was looking for from another helpful webmaster.

Have fun spending your time being concerned with me.

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11-15-2003, 11:31 PM

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I would promote the sponsor that made me the most money period.

Would you promote beast or CP sponsors if that paid the most?

No?

Then you do care about what your sponsors do.

Is it wrong if someone else cares, just like you do?

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11-15-2003, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

Would you promote beast or CP sponsors if that paid the most?

No?

Then you do care about what your sponsors do.

Is it wrong if someone else cares, just like you do?

You are right. I would not promote anything illegal. But if its good enough for the FTC then good enough for me
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11-15-2003, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by JulianSosa

You are right. I would not promote anything illegal. But if its good enough for the FTC then good enough for me

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11-15-2003, 11:44 PM

Digi you really should pick up a cheap PC (hell go to ebay and you can get some up to date ones for mere dollars) for this industry, if nothing else so that you can compare your output on both machines.
Do you at least have an emulator?
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11-15-2003, 11:48 PM

Originally posted by Carrie
Digi you really should pick up a cheap PC (hell go to ebay and you can get some up to date ones for mere dollars) for this industry, if nothing else so that you can compare your output on both machines.
Do you at least have an emulator?

Yup I have virtual PC and I've owned PC's before and hell yeah I could grab one really cheap but I got rid of one not to long ago and decided not to mess with it anymore. I can test my sites or anything I do on browsers emulatings any of a variety of browsers on PC OS. So it's all good, and if It ever becomes a critical need again I'll just go grab another throwaway pc for a couple hundred dollars and do what I need and sell it to someone or give it to a friend.

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11-15-2003, 11:57 PM

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...if its good enough for the FTC then good enough for me

So you finish college when?

Don't bother answering that. The point I'm trying to make is when exactly are we going to start to realize that most if us are still going to be here 6 months from now: 6 years from now.

We say some surfers prefer dialers. Fine. Let's offer them. We want alternatives to Visa/MC. Great. Dialers are such an alternative.

How in the hell does it make sense to turn dialers into something that most surfers wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole? Sure you get to rape the clowns who have more raging hormones than sense. But you alienate not only many of the surfers who do make the mistake of using a dialer, but others who assume your whole operation is shady when they see the dialer option.

And what is with the crap of dialer access not being expensive? Several of the rates equate to over $100 an hour. And this is for sites that cost most visitors $40 for a month's unrestricted access.

For the sake of illustration, if that monthly ID is used for 6 hours a month it works out at $6.67 an hour. Someone wrote that the phone companies may want a 40% cut, so let's add that on the top, which gives $11.11 an hour or 19 cents a minute as a "fair" equivalent to a monthly ID.

Maybe the calculation should use a 4-hour base. Maybe some calls involve minimum charges or a higher cut for the phone companies. But it takes one hell of a stretch of the imagination to find a good reason to account for the gap between 19 cents and some of the rates charged.
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11-16-2003, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by strobi

Germany ?1.86/Min mmmmm that's a little bit higher than 1.02$ hey, thats 2.19$/min ($/euro at 1.18)

(I just downloaded the .exe to make sure what they charge the germans)

well, I git the story from Toolz over at p0rnc1ty,

And the amount I quoted for Germany was correct, however it was in UK pounds instead of dollars, I pulled it from our ratesheet without converting it, 1.30 pounds is around $2.20 right now.

So I guess $132/hr is a pretty fair rate for porn over in Germany
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11-17-2003, 05:55 AM

We will be starting a weekly educational article on dialers. These pieces will be written to help people understand really what happens. We'll be disclosing as much information as possible and really try to show you HOW to make the most from dialers and show you that dialers are NOT like they used to be. Dialers = Profit = Billing Option = Ethical = DISCLOSURE!

You can't justify the price of the dialer by counting minutes in an hour / day / month and trying to compare that to a $29.99 or $39.99 monthly price tag. This is a pay per USE premium content access tool (ya know similar to phone sex or pay per view videos). The use of dialers is not an attempt to rip off customers and rack up $10,000 phone bills just to pad pockets. The dialer is simply another option to charge customers access to what THEY want and what THEY are willing to pay for. The dialer discloses hold times and rates and requires the surfer to both AGREE to download it and AGREE to the TOS before connecting.

I would never associate my name with something that was below bar!

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