Acacia and On Command - GoFuckYourself.com

SleazeQueen · 11-13-2003, 05:29 PM

http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/031113/tech_acacia_1.html

Think that them going after more mainstream companies will help the adult industry?

StuartD · 11-13-2003, 05:30 PM

Not if they win.

SleazeQueen · 11-13-2003, 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by MaskedMan
Not if they win.

LOL! I guess you've got a point there.

What I mean was.. do you think that mainstream companies fighting back will help the adult industry's fight? Assuming of course one of them fights.

Adultnet · 11-13-2003, 06:54 PM

Acacia sucks

hyper · 11-13-2003, 07:35 PM

they will settle because they have no money to fight

look at their financials

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=ONCO.OB

this is all carefully planned out by acacia for PR

Scootermuze · 11-13-2003, 07:52 PM

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Originally posted by SleazeQueen

.. do you think that mainstream companies fighting back will help the adult industry's fight? ......

As far as the courts decisions go.. it isn't a matter of adult industry.. mainstream industry.. yada yada..
It's a matter of infringement validity or not..

If Acacia loses.. it becomes a moot issue.. If they win, then the 'adult industry' also becomes a moot issue and it all becomes an overall infringement endeavor.. be it adult, news sites, video chat, etc..

hyper · 11-13-2003, 09:17 PM

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Originally posted by Scootermuze

As far as the courts decisions go.. it isn't a matter of adult industry.. mainstream industry.. yada yada..
It's a matter of infringement validity or not..

If Acacia loses.. it becomes a moot issue.. If they win, then the 'adult industry' also becomes a moot issue and it all becomes an overall infringement endeavor.. be it adult, news sites, video chat, etc..

if you look at homegrown videos copies of the legal documents

Acacia admits it is not about only the adult industry
However they fought any removal of the nature of the videos being broadcast Ie: adult and sexual and a few other words. in order to persuade the jury in their favor i imagine

Pleasurepays · 11-13-2003, 09:37 PM

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Originally posted by hyper
they will settle because they have no money to fight

look at their financials

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=ONCO.OB

this is all carefully planned out by acacia for PR

there stock has went down from over 8.00 to low 6's in just about 3 weeks.

they are due for more press releases to prop up the stock... they have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

ravener · 11-13-2003, 09:38 PM

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Originally posted by hyper
they will settle because they have no money to fight

look at their financials

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=ONCO.OB

this is all carefully planned out by acacia for PR

Their gross revenue is $240M per year.

2% = $4.8M per year.

They can't afford NOT to fight.

twistyneck · 11-13-2003, 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by ravener

Their gross revenue is $240M per year.

2% = $4.8M per year.

They can't afford NOT to fight.

Exactly and I think Acacia's case against them is even weaker than it is against websites. They are fucked.

SleazyDream · 11-13-2003, 10:44 PM

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Originally posted by ravener

Their gross revenue is $240M per year.

2% = $4.8M per year.

They can't afford NOT to fight.

if you think ANY of the big players in adult settled for numbers like that you're on crack.

acacia gave them SWEATHEART deals to get their names to scare other people into settling. a few thousand each TOPS - how do I know this - look at acacia's financials. no big income came in.

acacia's panicing now and grabbing at anything it possibly can cause it looks like they will loose the homegrown battle.

FightThisPatent · 11-14-2003, 07:49 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

acacia's panicing now and grabbing at anything it possibly can cause it looks like they will loose the homegrown battle.

I wouldn't say they are "panicing" they are calculating...

Look at v-chip....they racked up $27M in licensing before it got knocked down by Sony....did they cry in their wine about it? No, they moved on to the next patent...ala DMT.

They will try to rack up licenses with DMT... When it gets invalidated, will they cry in their beer? No, they will move on to the next patent.

Getting the picture here? Pick on easy targets to roll over...that will fall into the "easier to keep her, then leave her" idea.

Mainstream is so fragmented, that OnCommand will most likely settle, when faced with $1M+ in legal fees should they fight this themselves....mainstream acts like individuals... i don't see them really banding together like the 11 defendants....

This is why i believe Fight the Patent Foundation is needed...to act as the center point, that companies who are hit with a particular patent abuse case, can connect to and fight together.

Atleast with the adult industry, people do communicate with each other and post messages on boards, make comments, etc.. nothing like this type of "community" in mainstream unless its based around some company.

The problem is that apathy is not specific to the adult industry...... mainstream acts the same way... only get involved when you are personally affected...and when it does.....who is there to help you?

Fight the Patent!

nuclei · 11-14-2003, 08:12 AM

actually, most mainstream industries are a LOT tighter knit than the adult industry is. There are thousands of industry gatherings and places to discuss issues in mainstream industries. Hell the real estate industry alone has hundreds of webmaster places, and with the virtual tours and all that they will be on top of acacias hitlist.

FightThisPatent · 11-14-2003, 08:16 AM

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Originally posted by nuclei
actually, most mainstream industries are a LOT tighter knit than the adult industry is.

When RadioIO.com got hit back almost a year ago, there were minor postings on the mainstream boards for audio.. no one seemed to have cared.

It's great that people will talk about issues.. they do this all the time on slashdot...couple acacia related articles popped on, and people were posting about how sucky it was....but no walk, no action....

Fight the Issues!

Zorgman · 11-14-2003, 08:17 AM

Correct me if im wrong here.

If OnCommand goes to court and fight acacia and you they lose, acacia then have the right NOT give you a license to use their "DTM" technology. So if they lose, they could lose their entire business?

FightThisPatent · 11-14-2003, 08:19 AM

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Originally posted by Zorgman
If OnCommand goes to court and fight acacia and you they lose, acacia then have the right NOT give you a license to use their "DTM" technology. So if they lose, they could lose their entire business?

YUP!

Scary isn't it?

Fight the Boo!

abdab_1 · 11-14-2003, 08:19 AM

surely just on this board alone theres enough resource to pull together and fight Acacia.

FightThisPatent · 11-14-2003, 08:26 AM

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Originally posted by abdab_1
surely just on this board alone theres enough resource to pull together and fight Acacia.

Out of the thousands of adult biznesses, here are the ones that are actually fighting:

Video Secrets
Homegrown Video
Lightspeed
ARS
Top Bucks
Gamelink
Ademia
AEBN
Audio Communications

(i think there are 2 more, but i don't have their names).

They are spending their own money to defend not only their own company, but also for the WHOLE industry....sounds like someone did that before..... 1st amendment or something.....

The money that they spend on the fight, doesn't get reimbursed back to them WHEN they win.

Want to help fight if you have not been contacted or summoned by Acacia?

1) give to the Defense Fund (email: spike at homegrownvideo.com)

2) become a card carrying member to IMPA... $100/year membership dues (http://www.impai.org/join.html)

3) pledge to support Fight the Patent Foundation....$100 one-time pledge at http://www.fightthepatent.com/go

"Do nothing" is not an option if you are interested in taking a stand.

An Aaron Tippin song goes "you've got to stand for something, or you'll fall for anything..."

Fight the Country Song References!

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nuclei old school fart Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 1,015	actually, most mainstream industries are a LOT tighter knit than the adult industry is. There are thousands of industry gatherings and places to discuss issues in mainstream industries. Hell the real estate industry alone has hundreds of webmaster places, and with the virtual tours and all that they will be on top of acacias hitlist. __________________ The next generation of SEO

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