Tell me again how your training could have stopped you from getting your ass kicked by 6 guys.

Tell me again how bad ass you are.

Let me tell you how.

Walk, if need be, run the fuck away. You are not going to win against 6 guys.

FUCKTARD.

We already went through this before.

You can find me every single day training at the Gracie Academy.

Anytime you want, stop on by.

Let me even give you a picture so you can recognize me.

http://www.setgo.com/ant.jpg

I'll be waiting.

well then tell me this sifu:

why hasn't there been even ONE single JKD/TKD/Kali fighter who has won a match in NHB? Just ONE match?

why does EVERY SINGLE FIGHTER who fights for a living do MT, Boxing and BJJ exclusively? What do YOU know that Vanderleigh Silva and Frank Shamrock don't?

For that matter, why didn't any of these other styles prevail against Gracie Jiu-Jitsu at least ONE TIME in the hundreds of challenge matches they conducted? Why did they get their ass handed to them EVERY SINGLE TIME??

You're in So. Cali, right? Convince me. Walk into any BJJ studio and match up your JKD against a good BJJ man. Rickson has a dojo in Hollywood, Rorion has a dojo in Torrance. Come back here and tell me you whipped his ass. If you can do that, I'll join your school, but you won't for the same reason nobody else EVER has since the dawn of BJJ. It doesn't work.

You all need to chill and play the Bruce Lee Remixer :thumbsup

okay because jkd fighters fight for life in the streets of life, not for game or ego boosts!!!!

The most guys I've seen fought off by one dude is about 3 during a drunken frat fight. Anthony's right, its almost impossible to fight 6 people. :2 cents:

Does it look to you like someone's playing a game in no holds barred fighting? Do they look like they're having fun or kidding around? They're breaking arms in there man, it's no fucking game, and if something works they'll use it. The only difference between NHB and a 'real' fight is you can't chunk rocks or grab a ball bat in NHB.

If you think they're playing around in that ring you need to watch some UFC tapes, or better yet, Gracies in Action!

Rickson Gracie himself couldn't whip six people. You gotta look in the comic books or Bruce Lee movies to find someone who can do that.

ahh forget it , just smoke pot and be

Sifu,

I'm with you. It's all water under the bridge.

:thumbsup

Going back to the original thought to this thread. Both Dig and I are huge Bruce Lee fans.

Dig even has one of his posters up about do not think, but do or something like that. :)

The exact same one as the 2nd pic at the start of this thread.

I think it was something like 'It's not enough to know how to do something, you have to DO it.'

It's my way of motivating myself to get off my ass and do some work every now and then ;) It also motivates me when it's time to spar... sometimes it seems insane that I'm fighting for my life against guys who outweigh me by 50 lbs or more when I COULD be laying in bed, smoking dope and getting a blowjob or something. I have to remind myself how good I'll feel when I'm done.

Getting back to the actual topic.....


One might wonder just how *famous* guys like Jet Li would be today had not Bruce Lee made the inroads 30+ years ago. His impact on not only the action movie industry but the entire martial arts world is unparralleled to this day.

By the way, defending against 5 or more guys is quite possible. I once fended off 9 gangbangers in a park one night using a little known technique called "Schwinn-Kwon-do".

I jumped off my bike, grabbed it by the back tireframe, and swung the fucker round and round nailing 3 or 4 of them good. They picked up their wounded and ran like punks.

Agree 100% and I think his charisma had as much to do with it as anything else. I don't think any martial arts movie star has had anywhere near the onscreen presence that he had.

:thumbsup

You must teach me this technique.

Damn! I just got in and missed the meaty part of the thread...wish I could have joined in, but since it appears the way of peace won out, it would be contrary to the martial philosophy to reinstate the conflict by posting my opinion. Oh well. Bruce Lee was cool.

That remixer is PIMP! Good link, man!:thumbsup

Your post reminds me of the old Paul Rodriguez joke...

Chinese dude was held up by a Mexican guy.

Mexican guy: Stick em up, ese!

Chinese guy says "I wouldn't do that if I were you.... I know JUDO"

Mexican guy says "I know Judo too... MEXICAN JUDO."

Chinese guy: Mexican judo...what is that?

Mexican guy: Ju don't know if I have a gun... Ju don't know if I have a knife.



:1orglaugh :thumbsup

Bruce will always kick ass in my book

He was a great actor... also you can't blame him for advances in martial arts that have only really been made since his death. He went as far as he could with the knowledge available to him.

NHB and BJJ were huge and the Gracies have been famous in Brazil for about 60-70 years, but they weren't well known to the rest of the world until Rorion came to the states and started the UFC to spread the gospel of BJJ.

That is one bad ass Pinoy. Kamusta na, Pogi?

yeah Anthony is a heavy load if he gets side mounted on you, your technique better be pretty damn sharp to get him off before your breath gives out :helpme

That's definitely the good stuff, right there!:thumbsup

I can't stand it anymore. Serious topic here, without the "my style is better than your style" ego thing:

First, let me say I very much believe in both grappling and stand-up fighting, and train very hard in both. And I think Gracie style is outstanding on the ground, better than most other grappling styles (excluding Machado...possibly).

Someone mentioned that NHB is just like street-fighting with the exception of a few "low-blow" techniques. From someone who's done both, I don't agree. How many street fights have you ever seen that lasted 20 minutes? It just doesn't happen; usually, it's a matter of seconds.

The "Gospel of BJJ"? I think it's blown out of proportion. Except for the seasoned stand-up fighter and if he's totally on his game, I see the strike distances existing as a heirarchy: Providing, your opponent doesn't mind eating a few shots, It's hard to fight a distance fight if the guy wants to in-fight, and it's hard to stay in-fighting if the guy wants to go to the ground. Thus, in NHB, a grappler versus a stand-up fighter has an edge: He can make the stand-up fighter fight his fight, but unless the stand-up fighter is very proficient and on his game, he'll find it tough to keep it from going to the ground. So BJJ wins and they boast they are the best street style.

BUT, the big difference is you are rarely guaranteed a one-on-one fight in the street. What happens to your face by your opponent's buddy while you're applying ude juji gatame? Probably getting stomped. So I don't think it's the absolutely end-all of martial arts, but I do think it's a very important one.

Going back to the heirarchy: Nobody likes to get hit. I've seen a notorious slug-fest fighter shoot in on a BJJ guy because he was getting pounded. If you're out-hitting the guy and he's not falling, chances are he's shooting or clinching. Oops; now it's a grappling match and his friends are on the way. Grappling in this situation isn't about rolling around until he tires out or getting a fancy lock on, it's about getting up as fast as you can and doing as much damage on the way out before his friends get to you. The last place you want to be is on the ground with 3-4 guys above you, no matter how bad you're fucking up the one you're grappling with. If you can't get away, you can at least position the guy between you and his friends. I don't think most people could reliably accomplish either without some grappling knowledge.

In a controlled environment like NHB or shootfighting, you can get by with just grappling, providing you are proficient and know how to close the gap. But in the street, you better know something about stand-up fighting, even if it's just throwing the guy without following him down. Likewise, the stand-up fighter would be well-advised to learn some ground techniques/movements/escapes, so he doesn't get mauled if he gets taken down, which is a likely event. So neither grappling nor stand-up is the end-all, but equally important. I personally wouldn't want to be in a street fight without having at least a workable knowledge in both.

OK. I'm rambling. Sorry. It's 7am and I need to sleep. Talk to you guys later.

Rickson Gracie, the greatest BJJ fighter in the world, said more than one opponent, and I'm getting my gun. Tell me one style that is good against more than one opponent that ensures your victory 9 out of 10 and I'll be studying it. Until then, my 240lb ass is studying with the Gracies.

However, you make valid points. Points that every grappler should worry about. If we go to the ground, I'm going to be on top. Knee on stomach gives me quite a bit of flexiblity.

When everyone thinks of BJJ, they auto think fight on the ground. Watch some old Vale Tudo. BJJ are the original cross trainers, alot of us started off from stand up. Saw the efficiency of the grappling range, especially against those not versed in it.

woohooo ! :thumbsup :glugglug :Graucho

Same here

Got to give Bruce props... favorite movie was return of the dragon... never seen a small framed asian male with wings this big

http://www.bruceleedivinewind.com/waydvd/wotd054.jpg
http://www.bruceleedivinewind.com/waydvd/wotd056.jpg

I always seem to be last in a thread... a day late a dollar short

I totally agree... so just a question tho, Sifu...are u a certified Sifu?? just wondering..:)

Gracie style and Machado 'style' are the same thing, they both do BJJ.

You see the last one? Once Upon A Time in Amercia? :thumbsup

Right on! Bruce Lee is the man.

So any of you guys going to Internext? Maybe we'll have a chance to roll around some and swap techiniques...

yes i am certified, I wouldn't have called myself Sifu if I wasn't , any way, you guys take care i am off for a date, take care . peace:thumbsup

I'm always up for a chance to roll. I'll be in Vegas.

I was just wondering b/c my bf is one as well but in wing chung( i thinkthat's how u spell it.)

and u know the history of william chung and bruce lee then right??:)

Cool. Shoot me an email when you get a handle on where you'll be, and we can try to meet up.

admin[at]modelperfect.com - "Logan"

Please. WT/VC/VT/WC all bicker more than old women at Bingo.

Dude, nice photoset of Bruce! Thanks! According to his movie bio, Bruce used those electric muscle stimulators to simulate sit ups on his abs. Anyone know if this is accurate?