paying $25 per sale instead of $20 per sale - GoFuckYourself.com

detoxed · 11-09-2003, 04:47 PM

If DatingGold decided to payout $25 per sale instead of $20 per sale, would that make you anymore likely to promote us?

We have done a lot of work on conversions lately. We constantly are trying to convert the free members to paid. Some webmasters havent promoted us since several months ago and STILL get several sales per pay period.

Would $25 instead of $20 make a big difference?

Mr Pheer · 11-09-2003, 04:48 PM

Make it $40 and lets get going

detoxed · 11-09-2003, 04:50 PM

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Originally posted by MrPheer
Make it $40 and lets get going

This isnt porn. We could payout $40 if we add cross sells and kill retention and conversions.

FATPad · 11-09-2003, 04:50 PM

Make it $40, shave 50% and have Seventy Dollar Sundays where you crank up the razor.

People will make no more money, but they'll be more likely to promote you.

Pics of lamborghinis and stacks of cash on your site help, too.

detoxed · 11-09-2003, 04:52 PM

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Originally posted by FATPad
Make it $40, shave 50% and have Seventy Dollar Sundays where you crank up the razor.

People will make no more money, but they'll be more likely to promote you.

Pics of lamborghinis and stacks of cash on your site help, too.

true but we would rather payout realistic amounts and not shave or fuck with the surfer.

lil2rich4u2 · 11-09-2003, 04:56 PM

the day DG gets rid of you is the day they will see my traffic.

nothing at all against the program or its owner, infact i like alot! But the fact that they employ such a fucking worm turns me off.

until then, its www.redpartners.com all the way

Adulter · 11-09-2003, 04:56 PM

ok, make it $30..

detoxed · 11-09-2003, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2
the day DG gets rid of you is the day they will see my traffic.

nothing at all against the program or its owner, infact i like alot! But the fact that they employ such a fucking worm turns me off.

until then, its www.redpartners.com all the way

When people ask for help with DatingGold I help them. I've given you so many golden fucking tips that its amazing you arent a millionaire by now. The smart people listen to tips and the stupid people bitch because they get made fun of.

triumph · 11-09-2003, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2
the day DG gets rid of you is the day they will see my traffic.

nothing at all against the program or its owner, infact i like alot! But the fact that they employ such a fucking worm turns me off.

until then, its www.redpartners.com all the way

redpartners is pretty good!

detoxed · 11-09-2003, 05:02 PM

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Originally posted by detoxed

When people ask for help with DatingGold I help them. I've given you so many golden fucking tips that its amazing you arent a millionaire by now. The smart people listen to tips and the stupid people bitch because they get made fun of.

From your "list of people i respect thread"

Quote:

detoxed - asshole to me usually, but he has great ideas, and will go far in this biz.

Why would they get rid of me after such a glowing review?

lil2rich4u2 · 11-09-2003, 05:06 PM

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Originally posted by detoxed

When people ask for help with DatingGold I help them. I've given you so many golden fucking tips that its amazing you arent a millionaire by now. The smart people listen to tips and the stupid people bitch because they get made fun of.

I dont need you or your tips, you helped me get rolling with DG and when you became a dick i pulled my traffic, its that simple.

Dont play yourself acting like you had ANY part in my success in dating. You gave me tips on a completely different subject which i wont go into here, and i never used them.

a "customer service rep" which is basically what you are, needs to be respectful to company clients, or in this case affiliates. You are a total asshole to tons of people including myself.

if i told loryn from adult.com that she needs to cut the shit and start fucking helping me, she will reply respectfully and try her best to make me leave the situation happy.

You on the other hand dont have those people skills, which is why DG will not see another hit from me until you are off their payroll.

detoxed · 11-09-2003, 05:08 PM

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Originally posted by lil2rich4u2

I dont need you or your tips, you helped me get rolling with DG and when you became a dick i pulled my traffic, its that simple.

Dont play yourself acting like you had ANY part in my success in dating. You gave me tips on a completely different subject which i wont go into here, and i never used them.

a "customer service rep" which is basically what you are, needs to be respectful to company clients, or in this case affiliates. You are a total asshole to tons of people including myself.

if i told loryn from adult.com that she needs to cut the shit and start fucking helping me, she will reply respectfully and try her best to make me leave the situation happy.

You on the other hand dont have those people skills, which is why DG will not see another hit from me until you are off their payroll.

I am much more than a "customer service rep" genius. A board persona and talking to an affiliate about business are 2 completely seperate things. You have made an ass out of yourself on GFY millions of times and my smartass comments have nothing to do with that.

lil2rich4u2 · 11-09-2003, 05:09 PM

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Originally posted by detoxed

Why would they get rid of me after such a glowing review?

yes you have ideas, some are actually pretty fucking good, we have discussed them and you know that.

Doesnt mean i will send my traffic to a sponsor who has an employee shooting shit at me daily though.

PS this is nothing to do with the company, its personal issue between us. DG is an outstanding sponsor, i wish situation were different so i can deal with them.

detoxed · 11-09-2003, 05:11 PM

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Originally posted by lil2rich4u2

PS this is nothing to do with the company, its personal issue between us. DG is an outstanding sponsor, i wish situation were different so i can deal with them.

You just contradicted yourself.

localG · 11-09-2003, 05:12 PM

can i just ask a questioin?

rich if they fire him to get your traffic how many joins aday can they exspect to get..

i think this would be a benificial thing to disclose becuase detoxed could be standing in the way of allens next porche

detoxed · 11-09-2003, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by localG
can i just ask a questioin?

rich if they fire him to get your traffic how many joins aday can they exspect to get..

i think this would be a benificial thing to disclose becuase detoxed could be standing in the way of allens next porche

I think he could get another one right now if he wanted

Ice · 11-09-2003, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2

yes you have ideas, some are actually pretty fucking good, we have discussed them and you know that.

Doesnt mean i will send my traffic to a sponsor who has an employee shooting shit at me daily though.

PS this is nothing to do with the company, its personal issue between us. DG is an outstanding sponsor, i wish situation were different so i can deal with them.

Rich I don't know what your personal issue is with detoxed but I think your wrong. I have been dealing with detoxed for about 6 months now and he has always been cool with me.

He will icq me with info about the program, ideas, etc....

The bottom line is money. If you like Dating Gold and its converting for you ...put your personal issues aside and money in your pocket.

Just my

detoxed · 11-09-2003, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by iceicebaby

Rich I don't know what your personal issue is with detoxed but I think your wrong. I have been dealing with detoxed for about 6 months now and he has always been cool with me.

He will icq me with info about the program, ideas, etc....

The bottom line is money. If you like Dating Gold and its converting for you ...put your personal issues aside and money in your pocket.

Just my

smart guy

lil2rich4u2 · 11-09-2003, 05:17 PM

look at GoGoBar, he knows me on a personal level and has tons of ammo in his back pocket to use against me if he wanted to. He can come on here and badmouth me, my traffic, or my way of business if he wanted also, but he doesnt. Why?

Because he respects his affiliates. He understands without them, even the little guys, he would have to do an assload of work on his own to continue his success.

its because of that attitude that he will always have my traffic.

Infact it has crossed my mind if RP will actually out convert DG, and it doesnt even matter to me. Sending my traffic to a company that respects me, and treats me like i fucking matter ... that is priceless to me.

so in my eyes i have 2 options;

1. send my traffic to a sponsor who has an employee thats always talking shit to and about me, who wouldnt answer my ICQ msgs even if i did need help.

or

2. send my traffic to a sponsor who makes himself available for me by icq, home phone, cell phone, email, etc. Has come to boards in my defense, and who treats me like i matter to his business.

regardless of who converts better, or who will make me the most money, my traffic will go with the 2nd option.

Sly_RJ · 11-09-2003, 05:17 PM

Detoxed is a little brash at times, but who fucking cares as long as he's putting money in your wallet?

detoxed · 11-09-2003, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2
look at GoGoBar, he knows me on a personal level and has tons of ammo in his back pocket to use against me if he wanted to. He can come on here and badmouth me, my traffic, or my way of business if he wanted also, but he doesnt. Why?

Because he respects his affiliates. He understands without them, even the little guys, he would have to do an assload of work on his own to continue his success.

its because of that attitude that he will always have my traffic.

Infact it has crossed my mind if RP will actually out convert DG, and it doesnt even matter to me. Sending my traffic to a company that respects me, and treats me like i fucking matter ... that is priceless to me.

so in my eyes i have 2 options;

1. send my traffic to a sponsor who has an employee thats always talking shit to and about me, who wouldnt answer my ICQ msgs even if i did need help.

or

2. send my traffic to a sponsor who makes himself available for me by icq, home phone, cell phone, email, etc. Has come to boards in my defense, and who treats me like i matter to his business.

regardless of who converts better, or who will make me the most money, my traffic will go with the 2nd option.

I treated you with respect on ICQ and even gave you tips on how NOT to look like a jackass on GFY. You totally ignored my help and I will continue to make fun of you everytime you make yourself look like an idiot. The title of this board is "GO FUCK YOURSELF", not "lets treat everyone that posts with respect as a human being no matter how stupid they act".

If you ever ICQ'd me with business questions I would be glad to answer them.

lil2rich4u2 · 11-09-2003, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by localG
can i just ask a questioin?

rich if they fire him to get your traffic how many joins aday can they exspect to get..

i think this would be a benificial thing to disclose becuase detoxed could be standing in the way of allens next porche

hey localG sup man.

I actually like Allen and talk to him now and then.

As much smack as i talk here, i am actually considering building some traffic for DG just because Allen is so fucking cool.

And i would never ask that they fire someone for me, that just wouldnt be right.

detoxed · 11-09-2003, 05:22 PM

back to the point of this thread.......

Ice · 11-09-2003, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by detoxed
back to the point of this thread.......

right......more money...give me more money

localG · 11-09-2003, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2

hey localG sup man.

I actually like Allen and talk to him now and then.

As much smack as i talk here, i am actually considering building some traffic for DG just because Allen is so fucking cool.

And i would never ask that they fire someone for me, that just wouldnt be right.

Im sorry rich once again i loose more and more respect for you.. here is detoxed doing his job posting stuff for his employer and you try to shit on his head ....

If you respect allen dont cuase shit in threads pertaining to his company

lil2rich4u2 · 11-09-2003, 05:27 PM

perfect example, and ice can vouch for this ...

i cant convert adultplat for fucking SHIT, and yet i still send them every ounce of my SE traffic and 404 traffic.

why?

because loryn makes me feel like an affiliate that matters. I dont even send any joins yet, but she sees that i am trying, so she does what she can to help me.

speaking of which and not to change subject, but is ANYONE converting adultplat??

anyhow i will figure it out eventually i guess, but you see what i mean? I can easily pull the hits and try my luck elsewhere, but i stick with it because she is so fucking cool and helps me.

thats what matters most to me.

lil2rich4u2 · 11-09-2003, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by localG

Im sorry rich once again i loose more and more respect for you.. here is detoxed doing his job posting stuff for his employer and you try to shit on his head ....

If you respect allen dont cuase shit in threads pertaining to his company

localG,

you had respect for me to begin with?

and as i said above this is nothing to do with the company at all. Infact im pretty convinced id make more money if i sent my hits to them then i do sending to john.

I just cant stand that fucking worm, and Allen knows how i feel about this.

But essentially you are right, i shouldnt have even posted in here.

sorry detoxed, and Allen ...

detoxed · 11-09-2003, 05:32 PM

Sly_RJ · 11-09-2003, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2
perfect example, and ice can vouch for this ...

i cant convert adultplat for fucking SHIT, and yet i still send them every ounce of my SE traffic and 404 traffic.

why?

because loryn makes me feel like an affiliate that matters. I dont even send any joins yet, but she sees that i am trying, so she does what she can to help me.

Sorry dude, that's just fucking retarded.

So basically you don't want someone who will show you how to make money with your existing traffic rather than waste it on a dead horse. Instead, you want someone to fluff your pillow and tuck you in at night.

Uhh...

detoxed · 11-09-2003, 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Sorry dude, that's just fucking retarded.

So basically you don't want someone who will show you how to make money with your existing traffic rather than waste it on a dead horse. Instead, you want someone to fluff your pillow and tuck you in at night.

Uhh...

Yeah I stopped giving handjobs for money a long time ago.....

wait... I mean...

kush2 · 11-09-2003, 05:35 PM

Rich, please stop talking before you dig yourself an even deeper hole

lil2rich4u2 · 11-09-2003, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Sorry dude, that's just fucking retarded.

So basically you don't want someone who will show you how to make money with your existing traffic rather than waste it on a dead horse. Instead, you want someone to fluff your pillow and tuck you in at night.

Uhh...

your 100% right, and adultplat might be a dead horse that im wasting hits on, but as long as i see loryn making an effort to help me convert it, i will give it a chance.

BUT in the case of dating ...

i will send john (RP) maybe 90 members today which might make me "X" amount of dollars, and the same amount of joins at DG might be worth more because of the recurring.

But john will get my traffic because he treats me the way i want to be treated.

Maybe it doesnt make sense, maybe it wont make me a billionaire, but some things are more important than money.

Ice · 11-09-2003, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2
perfect example, and ice can vouch for this ...

i cant convert adultplat for fucking SHIT, and yet i still send them every ounce of my SE traffic and 404 traffic.

why?

because loryn makes me feel like an affiliate that matters. I dont even send any joins yet, but she sees that i am trying, so she does what she can to help me.

speaking of which and not to change subject, but is ANYONE converting adultplat??

anyhow i will figure it out eventually i guess, but you see what i mean? I can easily pull the hits and try my luck elsewhere, but i stick with it because she is so fucking cool and helps me.

thats what matters most to me.

Yes Rich I can back you on that.... you are still sending traffic to ap even though your having trouble converting.

Yes Loryn is great she will always do what she can to help and will make you feel like you matter because thats the person she is.

But I can't see the side of detoxed you are talking about. Detoxed will icq me and say ... hey your numbers are good but let me see where you have our program and see if I can offer some suggestions.

Dexoxed has already improved my conversion ratios from his suggestions that I didn't ask for... suggestions he gave freely.

I don't know if you guys got off on the wrong foot but dexoxed is solid in my book. Perhaps you should give him another chance. People have given you a second chance Rich, shouldn't you do the same?

Again my

bigdog · 11-09-2003, 05:42 PM

have a deal where you pay out per free email then the upsell

detoxed · 11-09-2003, 05:42 PM

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Originally posted by bigdog
have a deal where you pay out per free email then the upsell

all about the programming

If you want to work out any private deals look me up.

lil2rich4u2 · 11-09-2003, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by iceicebaby

Yes Rich I can back you on that.... you are still sending traffic to ap even though your having trouble converting.

Yes Loryn is great she will always do what she can to help and will make you feel like you matter because thats the person she is.

But I can't see the side of detoxed you are talking about. Detoxed will icq me and say ... hey your numbers are good but let me see where you have our program and see if I can offer some suggestions.

Dexoxed has already improved my conversion ratios from his suggestions that I didn't ask for... suggestions he gave freely.

I don't know if you guys got off on the wrong foot but dexoxed is solid in my book. Perhaps you should give him another chance. People have given you a second chance Rich, shouldn't you do the same?

Again my

I wish i saw that side of him, but i dont.

-edit out long txt that doesnt even matter-

and your right again, i should talk to him and see if we can work out our differences. I would love to be able to push DG again since i like them so much.

well im off for now, ill see you guys in a while .... got some shit to tend to.

detoxed ICQ me if you like, we can discuss some stuff.

later.

detoxed · 11-09-2003, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2

I wish i saw that side of him, but i dont.

-edit out long txt that doesnt even matter-

and your right again, i should talk to him and see if we can work out our differences. I would love to be able to push DG again since i like them so much.

well im off for now, ill see you guys in a while .... got some shit to tend to.

detoxed ICQ me if you like, we can discuss some stuff.

later.

I dont know your "real" ICQ. I have 4 "lil2rich4u2" names on my ICQ list and you claimed some of them were fake.

lil2rich4u2 · 11-09-2003, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by detoxed

I dont know your "real" ICQ. I have 4 "lil2rich4u2" names on my ICQ list and you claimed some of them were fake.

now we have spoken MANY times about MANY things, not to mention my ICQ being just below my name on GFY.

im not online now but will be in while tonight.

detoxed · 11-09-2003, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2

now we have spoken MANY times about MANY things, not to mention my ICQ being just below my name on GFY.

im not online now but will be in while tonight.

Already ICQd that one.

DatingGold · 11-13-2003, 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2
the day DG gets rid of you is the day they will see my traffic.

nothing at all against the program or its owner, infact i like alot! But the fact that they employ such a fucking worm turns me off.

until then, its www.redpartners.com all the way

ah bro.. Detoxed is a cool guy one of the smarter "kids" I have worked with.

DatingGold · 11-13-2003, 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by localG
can i just ask a questioin?

rich if they fire him to get your traffic how many joins aday can they exspect to get..

i think this would be a benificial thing to disclose becuase detoxed could be standing in the way of allens next porche

LOL...

The way things have been going, I'm gonna upgrade to a Ferrari and give Detoxed one of my Porsches :-)

By the way after seeing the Shark pics I envy LocalG

DatingGold · 11-13-2003, 01:19 AM

Ok I read this all..

I appreciate everyones support of DatingGold.

This biz is about money and loyalty. I think Rich and Detoxed just need to kiss and make up. Detoxed is a smart ass at times but he's good for DG and for the affiliates, it doesnt need to be taken personal.

LocalG and I had a few pissing matches in the beginning, and although we have competitive programs its about not trashing on the other its about putting money in everyones pockets.

At the end of the day its about getting the money out of the customer's pocket and if they don't like one program's sites, they might like another program's site instead = money for all.

Any large program that exists, is in business cause they are doing something right, just cause your traffic won't convert on their niche or site in particular doesn't mean others aren't making cash with them.

XxXotic · 11-13-2003, 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2
perfect example, and ice can vouch for this ...

i cant convert adultplat for fucking SHIT, and yet i still send them every ounce of my SE traffic and 404 traffic.

why?

because loryn makes me feel like an affiliate that matters. I dont even send any joins yet, but she sees that i am trying, so she does what she can to help me.

round these parts here we'd call you a SUCKEEEEEEEEEEEEEER

fuck feeling like an affiliate that matters, all that matters are cashed checks

11-09-2003, 04:47 PM	#1
detoxed vip member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,798	paying $25 per sale instead of $20 per sale If DatingGold decided to payout $25 per sale instead of $20 per sale, would that make you anymore likely to promote us? We have done a lot of work on conversions lately. We constantly are trying to convert the free members to paid. Some webmasters havent promoted us since several months ago and STILL get several sales per pay period. Would $25 instead of $20 make a big difference?

11-09-2003, 04:48 PM	#2
Mr Pheer Retired Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 21,263	Make it $40 and lets get going __________________ 2 lifeguards for Jessica

11-09-2003, 04:50 PM	#4
FATPad Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,693	Make it $40, shave 50% and have Seventy Dollar Sundays where you crank up the razor. People will make no more money, but they'll be more likely to promote you. Pics of lamborghinis and stacks of cash on your site help, too. __________________ <a href="http://www.adultcontent.co.uk">Adult Content UK - Great British Content</a>

11-09-2003, 04:56 PM	#6
lil2rich4u2 ICQ: 175171926 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: New York, NY Posts: 11,046	the day DG gets rid of you is the day they will see my traffic. nothing at all against the program or its owner, infact i like alot! But the fact that they employ such a fucking worm turns me off. until then, its www.redpartners.com all the way __________________ HEY!! Unbeatable hosting! Customer service is top notch! --> ISPrime <-- Do a search on any board, their reputation is rock solid .. for years!!

11-09-2003, 04:56 PM	#7
Adulter Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: EU Posts: 1,252	ok, make it $30.. __________________

11-09-2003, 05:12 PM	#15
localG Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: new jersey Posts: 490	can i just ask a questioin? rich if they fire him to get your traffic how many joins aday can they exspect to get.. i think this would be a benificial thing to disclose becuase detoxed could be standing in the way of allens next porche

11-09-2003, 05:17 PM	#19
lil2rich4u2 ICQ: 175171926 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: New York, NY Posts: 11,046	look at GoGoBar, he knows me on a personal level and has tons of ammo in his back pocket to use against me if he wanted to. He can come on here and badmouth me, my traffic, or my way of business if he wanted also, but he doesnt. Why? Because he respects his affiliates. He understands without them, even the little guys, he would have to do an assload of work on his own to continue his success. its because of that attitude that he will always have my traffic. Infact it has crossed my mind if RP will actually out convert DG, and it doesnt even matter to me. Sending my traffic to a company that respects me, and treats me like i fucking matter ... that is priceless to me. so in my eyes i have 2 options; 1. send my traffic to a sponsor who has an employee thats always talking shit to and about me, who wouldnt answer my ICQ msgs even if i did need help. or 2. send my traffic to a sponsor who makes himself available for me by icq, home phone, cell phone, email, etc. Has come to boards in my defense, and who treats me like i matter to his business. regardless of who converts better, or who will make me the most money, my traffic will go with the 2nd option. __________________ HEY!! Unbeatable hosting! Customer service is top notch! --> ISPrime <-- Do a search on any board, their reputation is rock solid .. for years!!

11-09-2003, 05:17 PM	#20
Sly_RJ Live Hard - Die Hard Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ready to leave... Posts: 17,042	Detoxed is a little brash at times, but who fucking cares as long as he's putting money in your wallet? __________________ PHAT SERVERS - Quality dedicated hosting at a quality price! sly AT phatservers DOT com - 147479144

11-09-2003, 05:22 PM	#23
detoxed vip member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,798	back to the point of this thread.......

11-09-2003, 05:27 PM	#26
lil2rich4u2 ICQ: 175171926 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: New York, NY Posts: 11,046	perfect example, and ice can vouch for this ... i cant convert adultplat for fucking SHIT, and yet i still send them every ounce of my SE traffic and 404 traffic. why? because loryn makes me feel like an affiliate that matters. I dont even send any joins yet, but she sees that i am trying, so she does what she can to help me. speaking of which and not to change subject, but is ANYONE converting adultplat?? anyhow i will figure it out eventually i guess, but you see what i mean? I can easily pull the hits and try my luck elsewhere, but i stick with it because she is so fucking cool and helps me. thats what matters most to me. __________________ HEY!! Unbeatable hosting! Customer service is top notch! --> ISPrime <-- Do a search on any board, their reputation is rock solid .. for years!!

11-09-2003, 05:32 PM	#28
detoxed vip member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,798

11-09-2003, 05:35 PM	#31
kush2 Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 495	Rich, please stop talking before you dig yourself an even deeper hole

11-09-2003, 05:42 PM	#34
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	have a deal where you pay out per free email then the upsell

11-13-2003, 01:19 AM	#42
DatingGold $6 PER EMAIL JOiN Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: California Posts: 13,185	Ok I read this all.. I appreciate everyones support of DatingGold. This biz is about money and loyalty. I think Rich and Detoxed just need to kiss and make up. Detoxed is a smart ass at times but he's good for DG and for the affiliates, it doesnt need to be taken personal. LocalG and I had a few pissing matches in the beginning, and although we have competitive programs its about not trashing on the other its about putting money in everyones pockets. At the end of the day its about getting the money out of the customer's pocket and if they don't like one program's sites, they might like another program's site instead = money for all. Any large program that exists, is in business cause they are doing something right, just cause your traffic won't convert on their niche or site in particular doesn't mean others aren't making cash with them. __________________ 9 Years of SOLID payouts and conversions! ADULT DATING - $100 PPS LIVE CAMS - $214 PPS WWW.DATINGGOLD.COM ICQ: 27442303