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  • DarkJedi
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    AK-47 is still better than M-16

    M-16s had all sorts of jamming problems during the Vietnam war. It was so bad that that US soldiers would often pick up & use AK-47s since they were more reliable.

    30+ years later, I see the M-16 is still a jamming piece of shit.

    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp.../lynch_book_18

    "..Lynch dismisses early reports that she had engaged in a firefight with the Iraqis who ambushed the convoy. Like many soldiers in her company, the M-16 rifle she carried had jammed with grime and airborne sand. She fired no shots, she said.."


    P.S.
    US special forces are using captured AKs too.
  • Tanker
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    #2
    guess she doesnt know how to keep it clean

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    • JamesK
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      #3
      Originally posted by DarkJedi

      US special forces are using captured AKs too.
      yes, they bought it from gangura idt
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      • Tanker
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        #4
        AK 47's are not made as precise so there are gaps in the weapon that will allow the weapon to operate even it the sand gets in there


        the M16 is made very accuratly each peace is the exact same
        machined with little error this causes for things to fit perfect if sand is in the weapon it will jam

        The key is clean the thing and dont throw it in the sand and fucking use immediate action to unjam it it takes about 1 second to unjam the damn thing

        I have had them jam up very few times in 8 years I used them
        when they do you dont miss a beat just SPORTS it

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        • TheViper
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          • smack
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            #6
            AK47's are garbage. their machine stamped steel, made cheaply for conscript armies to carry into battle, little more than a cheap bullet hose.
            Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.

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            • Mr. Jim
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              • Mar 2003
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              #7
              The M1-16 A2 service rifle is without question the most effective weapon in terms of accuracy in mass production. The hiher caliber AK does require a little lees maintaining....but if you are 300 meters away a clean m-16 would be my choice any day of the week.

              The AK-47 is a good weapon for close distance engagement but is about as acurate as a Rosie O'dennel accounting of weaht she has said to her staff

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              • Tuga
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                • Reak
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                  #9
                  AK-47 is a bit older

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                  • Lonny
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                    #10
                    I have to go with the Saiga-12gauge as my choice of wepon. It has a detach grip btw is fucking awsome http://club.guns.ru/eng/sig12/4.htm
                    Even thou the ak47 kick ass and doesnt jam its not a very accurate for shooting I always been the shotgun type you can pick one of thos bad boys for 300.00 dollars.

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                    • JamesK
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Reak
                      AK-47 is a bit older
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                      • NBDesign
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                        #12
                        Bring back the Thompson. Fuck these modern day weapons.

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                        • Deepsy1
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                          #13
                          AK-47 for close distance ? ROFL
                          ohh kids ,you made me laugh
                          AK (Kalachnikov) that's the evil toy , how can you equal classic legend to some shitty m-16 ? how ?
                          about the accuracy , have you ever saw AK in real? you saw it leght ? anyhow , you can moderate the basis model AK to anything you want , even to sniper rifle.
                          now , talking about practice use , did you ever dropped the m-16 to water or underground then tried to fire ? haha it's fucking stuck in 80% of cases minimum. AK will work in any condition , no matter where you. so please , cut the bs. thanks
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                          • Plan9
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Tanker
                            AK 47's are not made as precise so there are gaps in the weapon that will allow the weapon to operate even it the sand gets in there


                            the M16 is made very accuratly each peace is the exact same
                            machined with little error this causes for things to fit perfect if sand is in the weapon it will jam

                            The key is clean the thing and dont throw it in the sand and fucking use immediate action to unjam it it takes about 1 second to unjam the damn thing

                            I have had them jam up very few times in 8 years I used them
                            when they do you dont miss a beat just SPORTS it
                            Dont M-16s also use parts that are easily corroded? I remember watching a show comparing both guns, and while the M-16 is definitely the best in 'ideal' situations...in places like the Middle East (tons of sand) and Vietnam (swampy and wet), the AK-47's actually performed much better overall just due to the fact that they wouldn't jam in critical situations.

                            Either way...I love AK-47's, and I had to buy one for myself...so I may be a bit biased


                            Last edited by Plan9; 11-11-2003, 11:22 AM.

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                            • SleazyDream
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                              • Jul 2001
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by jimholio
                              The M1-16 A2 service rifle is without question the most effective weapon in terms of accuracy in mass production. The hiher caliber AK does require a little lees maintaining....but if you are 300 meters away a clean m-16 would be my choice any day of the week.

                              The AK-47 is a good weapon for close distance engagement but is about as acurate as a Rosie O'dennel accounting of weaht she has said to her staff

                              300 yards is a tough shot for MOST people - ESP without a scope. I've done a lot of hunting in my past and I know how excited people get when they see a deer at 300 yards off, now try that with someone shooting back at you. STRESS through the roof - good luck keeping the gun steady. True some people can do it, but MOST cannot. and reality is you need to make a mass market gun for the majority - not the minority.
                              you have to be calm and not shaking at all to make that shot at 300 yards. - it's not a shot for an automatic weapon, it's really a shot for a bolt action sniper rifle with a telescopic sight.

                              without a telescopic sight at 300 yards VERY, and i mean VERY few people can place 5 rounds within 2 feet of each other. - including trained people, and that's under calm, non-life threatening conditions.


                              most soldiers that engage are in close combat under 50 yards in bad conditions though........ taking that under consideration, i can't belive the US still uses the M-!6 with it's combat history. Even in the most recent PUBLIC engagement - private lynch - guns were gamming. NOT GOOD.
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                              • JamesK
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                                • Jun 2002
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by Deepsy1
                                AK-47 for close distance ? ROFL
                                ohh kids ,you made me laugh
                                AK (Kalachnikov) that's the evil toy , how can you equal classic legend to some shitty m-16 ? how ?
                                about the accuracy , have you ever saw AK in real? you saw it leght ? anyhow , you can moderate the basis model AK to anything you want , even to sniper rifle.
                                now , talking about practice use , did you ever dropped the m-16 to water or underground then tried to fire ? haha it's fucking stuck in 80% of cases minimum. AK will work in any condition , no matter where you. so please , cut the bs. thanks
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                                • DarkJedi
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                                  #17
                                  AK Ownz.


                                  EOT.

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                                  • Theo
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                                    #18
                                    In the army I had used H&K G3A3/A4, H&K-11, M14, M16 and even M1. The only thing that left in my memory is how shitty was to clean every one of them after shooting. If the weapon is treated properly by the soldier (maintenance) the chances not to be in position to shoot are minimal. When someone's gun had problem during shooting practise it was sent for inspection. In the case the inspector said you were responsible for gun's inability....you were fucked for good. lol

                                    I'm not familiar with AK-47, but I know it's the favorite gun of russian mafia. Dark Jedi do you plan to join forces?

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                                    • silver
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                                      #19
                                      US Military should issue HK rifles to all troops , Fuck Colt`s!
                                      yay

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                                      • Mr. Jim
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Deepsy1
                                        AK-47 for close distance ? ROFL
                                        ohh kids ,you made me laugh
                                        AK (Kalachnikov) that's the evil toy , how can you equal classic legend to some shitty m-16 ? how ?
                                        about the accuracy , have you ever saw AK in real? you saw it leght ? anyhow , you can moderate the basis model AK to anything you want , even to sniper rifle.
                                        now , talking about practice use , did you ever dropped the m-16 to water or underground then tried to fire ? haha it's fucking stuck in 80% of cases minimum. AK will work in any condition , no matter where you. so please , cut the bs. thanks

                                        ....I have fired both weapons...the AK's I have fired suck after 100 yards a correctly BZO'd M-16 that is clean can run circles around it all day long for accuracy....the ak is more practical for battlefield conditions....you will not convince me that it is as accurate as an m-16.
                                        Last edited by Mr. Jim; 11-11-2003, 11:53 AM.

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                                        • DarkJedi
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Soul_Rebel

                                          I'm not familiar with AK-47, but I know it's the favorite gun of russian mafia. Dark Jedi do you plan to join forces?
                                          I'm already an officer. (Jr. Lieutenant )

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                                          • EZRhino
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                                            #22
                                            M16's are very reliable weapons when kept properly and are very acutate. I've hit a quarter at 300 meters with my M16. However, AK's are very reliable in extreme and ideal conditions more so then the M16. AK's are not acutate at a distance and are really ideal for close quarters and sparying bullets.
                                            American special forces use AK's in order to blend the gunfire into the background and confuse the enemy about their position. When the enemy trys the to track the US soldiers the shell casings blend in with the previous casings left there from someone else.
                                            Personaly I rather have acuracy and keep my rifle clean. Then being able to spray bullets and not care about my rifle.

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                                            • DarkJedi
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by EZRhino
                                              I've hit a quarter at 300 meters with my M16.

                                              really..

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                                              • keyDet79
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                                                #24
                                                M16 has always been crap, it's expensive, and it's useless. They were not powerful enough so they used bigger shells for it so it could stand against the Kalashnikov, but the mechanism wasn't built for those kind of shells and the piece of crap jammed.

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                                                • Mr Pheer
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by silver
                                                  US Military should issue HK rifles to all troops , Fuck Colt`s!
                                                  HK does make the best firearm in the world, period. I've owned 3 and always made a profit when I sold them because of the high quality, they just dont go down in value.

                                                  However I've fired an M4 in combat, which is a shorty carbine version of the M16. The firing mechanism is identical, and as long as its kept clean it never had a problem. Ignorance and neglect is the main cause of almost all M16 failures. You have to keep it cleaned, keep it oiled, and load the magazine right or it will jam, but so will any other weapon. The M16 is just more picky about its care.

                                                  I never had my weapon jam in Somalia and its just as dusty and sandy there as Bagdad is.

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                                                  • Mr. Jim
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                                                    #26
                                                    So I am clear...I too think the M-16 is need of being replaced. It is terrible in battlefield conditions. It is a very accurate weapon when propperly maintained. The 5.56 is designed to tumble through the body and cause severe damage.

                                                    The 7.62 round of the AK just blows you to bits. My point is that the M-16 in open terrain conditions can be very effective. if you even think dirt it will jam.

                                                    The 240 G is bad ass pice of gear 7.62 and has the same cyclic rate rate as the m249 saw.

                                                    This was the replacement for the M-60 E3

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                                                    • SleazyDream
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by MrPheer


                                                      HK does make the best firearm in the world, period.
                                                      This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                      Now read without the word dog.

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                                                      • loverboy
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                                                        #28
                                                        i recall the series "combat Mission" wherein there are 3 soldiers left competing... its just fucked up that your M-16 gets jammed during the competition... the guy just gave up and wondered what went wrong. totally fucked up situation if your on an actual combat mission. i guess with proper maintenance and handling, that would do the job.

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                                                        • dantheman
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                                                          #29
                                                          10 inch pattern at 600 yds.......ak cant touch that. keep the 16 clean and it'll never give you a problem, add the 203 granade launcher on it and you have yourself one badass killing machine.
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                                                          • Gemini
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                                                            #30
                                                            Special Forces rely on enemy weapons captures out of neccessity. They can't carry a ton of ammo and where they go, the enemy carries it for them. lol I mean true specops. Not what is reputed as anymore.
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                                                            • iroc409
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                                                              #31
                                                              i kinda thought the g36 would replace the m16.

                                                              it's definitely durable.
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                                                              • Buff
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by DarkJedi
                                                                M-16s had all sorts of jamming problems during the Vietnam war. It was so bad that that US soldiers would often pick up & use AK-47s since they were more reliable.

                                                                30+ years later, I see the M-16 is still a jamming piece of shit.

                                                                http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp.../lynch_book_18

                                                                "..Lynch dismisses early reports that she had engaged in a firefight with the Iraqis who ambushed the convoy. Like many soldiers in her company, the M-16 rifle she carried had jammed with grime and airborne sand. She fired no shots, she said.."


                                                                P.S.
                                                                US special forces are using captured AKs too.
                                                                US Special Forces are using a variety of weapons, usually the M4A1.

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                                                                • lock
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Plan9




                                                                  Either way...I love AK-47's, and I had to buy one for myself...


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                                                                  • Mr.Soze
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    I tried both when I was in Vietnam in February, not that I can really say which one was the best.
                                                                    But I hit the target more with the AK-47.

                                                                    I always use AK-47 on Counter Strike, maybe that's the reason

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                                                                    • davidd
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Tanker
                                                                      guess she doesnt know how to keep it clean
                                                                      Exactly. I own variations of both weapons and I would take the M16 anyday.

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                                                                      • Why
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        heckler and koch

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                                                                        • EZRhino
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by DarkJedi



                                                                          really..
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                                                                          • axelcat
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            they are both tremendous guns

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                                                                            • Mr. Jim
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by dantheman
                                                                              10 inch pattern at 600 yds.......ak cant touch that. keep the 16 clean and it'll never give you a problem, add the 203 granade launcher on it and you have yourself one badass killing machine.
                                                                              I carried a 203 when I was a squad leader

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                                                                              • Deepsy1
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by jimholio



                                                                                ....I have fired both weapons...the AK's I have fired suck after 100 yards a correctly BZO'd M-16 that is clean can run circles around it all day long for accuracy....the ak is more practical for battlefield conditions....you will not convince me that it is as accurate as an m-16.
                                                                                I'm agree with it , the m-16 is more accurate , it's was built that way.
                                                                                AK is just about BLIND power and working like mercedes engine
                                                                                ...but still im having memories of high speed,when the cops crash, pushing a cock into my ass,while my tiny pecker blasts.

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                                                                                • Captain
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  The AN-94 is the newly (2003) adopted Russian assault rifle. The acronym stands for Avtomat Nikonova (after Gennidy Nikonov) Model 1994, and it was chosen over many other excellent competing firearms, including one designed by a team lead by the son of Mikhail Kalashnikov, inventor of the AK-47.

                                                                                  It is chambered in the same 5.45x39mm cartridge as the AK-74, and it too utilizes a rotating bolt to lock the action. This is where the similarities end. When the bolt-carrier is driven backwards by the force of the gas from the cartridge, a pulley activates a cartridge-feeding device. This mechanism allows a much higher rate of fire than would otherwise be possible. The high rate of fire (1800rpm) is employed in two-round bursts. These form the first two shots on fully-automatic fire. This feature increases the probability of hitting the target, because the bullets leave the firearm before recoil can affect the shooter's point-of-aim.

                                                                                  The rear peep sight is a dramatic improvement over the standard Kalashnikov notch and post. The muzzle brake is very effective, and much less harsh on the ears than the AK-74's muzzle brake. The recoil on full-auto fire has been described as a gentle, constant push, rather than a series of sharp jabs as in most firearms.

                                                                                  It may be a number of years before the AN-94 becomes standard issue, because the Russian military currently (2003) has a low budget.

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                                                                                  • arial
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by NBDesign
                                                                                    Bring back the Thompson. Fuck these modern day weapons.
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                                                                                    • crockett
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by DarkJedi
                                                                                      M-16s had all sorts of jamming problems during the Vietnam war. It was so bad that that US soldiers would often pick up & use AK-47s since they were more reliable.

                                                                                      30+ years later, I see the M-16 is still a jamming piece of shit.

                                                                                      http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp.../lynch_book_18

                                                                                      "..Lynch dismisses early reports that she had engaged in a firefight with the Iraqis who ambushed the convoy. Like many soldiers in her company, the M-16 rifle she carried had jammed with grime and airborne sand. She fired no shots, she said.."


                                                                                      P.S.
                                                                                      US special forces are using captured AKs too.
                                                                                      The US special forces are using a modifed version of the M16 that uses AK 47 clips. That's in Afgan anyway not sure about Iraq.. reason being there is lots of ammo for AKs over there so if they get in a rough jam it's easy to find ammo.
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                                                                                      • Captain
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Here is what AN-94 Looks like - My favorite
                                                                                        Last edited by Captain; 11-11-2003, 02:02 PM.

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                                                                                        • Mike AI
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by Tanker
                                                                                          guess she doesnt know how to keep it clean
                                                                                          Exactly. She was part of a non-combat unit, and none of them had their weapons ready. Pretty stupid.


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                                                                                          • MrIzzz
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            now if someone would post a pic of a naked chick posing with one of these rifles i would be very happy


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                                                                                            • allandk
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by MrIzzz
                                                                                              now if someone would post a pic of a naked chick posing with one of these rifles i would be very happy
                                                                                              here you go

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                                                                                              • MrIzzz
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by allandk


                                                                                                here you go

                                                                                                ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh thanks, i must agee with the ak-47 people after this pic.


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                                                                                                • Tuga
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by allandk


                                                                                                  here you go

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                                                                                                  • Adulter
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