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Captain 11-11-2003 03:57 PM

The AN-94 is the newly (2003) adopted Russian assault rifle. The acronym stands for Avtomat Nikonova (after Gennidy Nikonov) Model 1994, and it was chosen over many other excellent competing firearms, including one designed by a team lead by the son of Mikhail Kalashnikov, inventor of the AK-47.

It is chambered in the same 5.45x39mm cartridge as the AK-74, and it too utilizes a rotating bolt to lock the action. This is where the similarities end. When the bolt-carrier is driven backwards by the force of the gas from the cartridge, a pulley activates a cartridge-feeding device. This mechanism allows a much higher rate of fire than would otherwise be possible. The high rate of fire (1800rpm) is employed in two-round bursts. These form the first two shots on fully-automatic fire. This feature increases the probability of hitting the target, because the bullets leave the firearm before recoil can affect the shooter's point-of-aim.

The rear peep sight is a dramatic improvement over the standard Kalashnikov notch and post. The muzzle brake is very effective, and much less harsh on the ears than the AK-74's muzzle brake. The recoil on full-auto fire has been described as a gentle, constant push, rather than a series of sharp jabs as in most firearms.

It may be a number of years before the AN-94 becomes standard issue, because the Russian military currently (2003) has a low budget.

arial 11-11-2003 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NBDesign
Bring back the Thompson. Fuck these modern day weapons.
I'll second that, bad ass gun!

crockett 11-11-2003 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DarkJedi
M-16s had all sorts of jamming problems during the Vietnam war. It was so bad that that US soldiers would often pick up & use AK-47s since they were more reliable.

30+ years later, I see the M-16 is still a jamming piece of shit.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp.../lynch_book_18

"..Lynch dismisses early reports that she had engaged in a firefight with the Iraqis who ambushed the convoy. Like many soldiers in her company, the M-16 rifle she carried had jammed with grime and airborne sand. She fired no shots, she said.."


P.S.
US special forces are using captured AKs too.

The US special forces are using a modifed version of the M16 that uses AK 47 clips. That's in Afgan anyway not sure about Iraq.. reason being there is lots of ammo for AKs over there so if they get in a rough jam it's easy to find ammo.

Captain 11-11-2003 04:00 PM

Here is what AN-94 Looks like - My favorite
http://www.sinopa.ee/sor/bo001/bo04a...94abakan01.jpg

Mike AI 11-11-2003 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tanker
guess she doesnt know how to keep it clean
Exactly. She was part of a non-combat unit, and none of them had their weapons ready. Pretty stupid.

MrIzzz 11-11-2003 04:24 PM

now if someone would post a pic of a naked chick posing with one of these rifles i would be very happy

allandk 11-11-2003 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrIzzz
now if someone would post a pic of a naked chick posing with one of these rifles i would be very happy
here you go

http://freke.com/ak.jpg

MrIzzz 11-11-2003 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by allandk


here you go

http://freke.com/ak.jpg

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh thanks, i must agee with the ak-47 people after this pic.

Tuga 11-11-2003 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by allandk


here you go

http://freke.com/ak.jpg

Kewl! :winkwink:

Adulter 11-11-2003 05:36 PM

:thumbsup

Ic3m4nZ 11-11-2003 05:36 PM

50 guns

TheJimmy 11-11-2003 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tanker
....
I have had them jam up very few times in 8 years I used them
when they do you dont miss a beat just SPORTS it


Slap
Pull
Observe
Remove or Reload
Tap (in mag)
Shoot

?

Fuck man, it's been a few years since I had to mess with those, did I remember even half of that?


PS: Although the M-16 is bitchen for accuracy, overall dirt fighting I'd take an AK...


Hell the Vietcong used to fuck up some shit with the old SKS, another favorite of mine...







:thumbsup :thumbsup

allandk 11-11-2003 05:52 PM

HK G3 :thumbsup

Lonny 11-11-2003 06:19 PM

Is that a Lazer Scoop under their. Pretty tight.
Quote:

Originally posted by Captain
Here is what AN-94 Looks like - My favorite
http://www.sinopa.ee/sor/bo001/bo04a...94abakan01.jpg


VideoVoyeur 11-11-2003 06:29 PM

US "Special Forces" as most " non ever been in the military kid" calls them, do not use AK 47's or AK 52's.

What are you kidding me? Give me a break, be in the military once before you jump to conclusion after watching your Chuck Norris movie.


US " Special Forces" aka, Green Berets, Rangers, Pathfinders, Marine Recon, Navy Seals , Air Force SP and Army Forward Observers are all categorically called US " special forces" and none of them carry ak 47's and or ak 52's and they never will.





They use Heckler & Koch submachine guns, Heckler & Koch machine pistols, or as the favorite, the M16 M203.

For you non military lingo people, that an M16 with an underbelly single shot Grenade launcher.







8 years at Ft Sill Oklahoma as a US Army Forward Observer (13f10) showed me almost every single weapon that any foot soldier ever would use. Yes, I repelled out of helicopters, yes I was airborn, yes in 1991 I was in Desert storm, and yes I used an M16 and not once ever did I ever use, or see anyone use an ak 47 or ak 52.

Ak 47 is a 7.62 mil Nato round with a maximum effective killing range of 600 meters, whereas the M16 uses the 5.56 milimeter Nato Ball round with a maximum effective killing range of 300 meters.

One was designed in France, the other was designed by a Private in Russian army...


Which would I rather have? Which does the US Military use?

The M16 is a VERY accurate gun considering at 325 meters you shoot at 2 ft tall by 1 ft wide targets in basic training, and with the accuracy to knock them flat, whereas the ak47 can't hit shit past 200 yards even with a scope heh, it may as well be a grease gun from the 40s.


Only in the movies buddy :thumbsup






Oh BTW

"Originaly posted by Dark Jedi"

"I'm already an officer. (Jr. Lieutenant )"


WTF in the boy scouts? At least learn the names of the ranks in the military. I can tell by your name your the utmost in maturity level to be a "Jr Officer"


heh kids...

VideoVoyeur 11-11-2003 06:38 PM

M16 M203 as seen on a Marine recon personel

http://www.velocity.net/~digital/wea...h_assault4.jpg

Mr Pheer 11-11-2003 06:42 PM

Quote:

They use Heckler & Koch submachine guns, Heckler & Koch machine pistols, or as the favorite, the M16 M203.
Since late 93 they've dropped the M16/203 combo and started using the M4 Carbine. We got some of the first issues in the 10th Mountain Division just in time to deploy to Somalia.

Mr Pheer 11-11-2003 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by VideoVoyeur
M16 M203 as seen on a Marine recon personel

http://www.velocity.net/~digital/wea...h_assault4.jpg

Thats an M4 with a 203

Its just a smaller, lighter, carbine version of the M16

VideoVoyeur 11-11-2003 06:44 PM

Yea I saw the M4 but I didnt know they were being widely used yet, kind of like the Dragon Tow missles, they started them in single packs in the early nineties but it never caught on.

VideoVoyeur 11-11-2003 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrPheer


Thats an M4 with a 203

Its just a smaller, lighter, carbine version of the M16


Heh at least its not the AR 15 anymore which is what they USED in vietnam, which has the selector switch on the right hand side of the weapon heh.


Shorter stock is all I see in difference, is that it?

Mr Pheer 11-11-2003 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by VideoVoyeur



Heh at least its not the AR 15 anymore which is what they USED in vietnam, which has the selector switch on the right hand side of the weapon heh.


Shorter stock is all I see in difference, is that it?

Its a collapsable stock and it has a small recessed area on the barrel for the 203 to mount, the barrel is shorter, and I believe its effective range is 600 yards, weighs a little over 5 pounds.

Eve 11-11-2003 06:51 PM

:thumbsup Woot

Toolz 11-11-2003 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrPheer


Thats an M4 with a 203

Its just a smaller, lighter, carbine version of the M16

Um and no clip on it, what's this guy assaulting without bullets?

Mr Pheer 11-11-2003 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Toolz


Um and no clip on it, what's this guy assaulting without bullets?

Its a training exercise

VideoVoyeur 11-11-2003 07:03 PM

Its called training...

USA Army does 6-8 weeks depending on location and then ait can be from 8 months to 3 years for different MOS, whereas the Russians have 4 weeks of training and thats it, your on the front lines...


Although many of their military vehicles far outsurpass ours ( dont get mad its the truth) we have better training.


They have a transport helicopter that carries 65 troops in it, and flys almost 70 mph faster then our apaches just fyi...:)

candidpublishinginc 11-11-2003 08:39 PM

Personally I am a fan of the AK-47 myself since my business partner happens to have one. Very nice weapon and a good deal of stopping power.

Validus 11-11-2003 09:54 PM

How about the G36? That any good?

http://www.tjacorp.com/knights_g36.jpg

toddler 11-11-2003 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NBDesign
Bring back the Thompson. Fuck these modern day weapons.

:thumbsup :thumbsup

DarkJedi 11-12-2003 02:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by VideoVoyeur
)"


WTF in the boy scouts? At least learn the names of the ranks in the military. I can tell by your name your the utmost in maturity level to be a "Jr Officer"



I'm from a different country. Not sure how's that rank named in US.

And BTW, "designed in france" adds a lot of credibility to M16 :1orglaugh

johnbosh 11-12-2003 02:36 AM

always used the ak-47 in counterstrike ratatatatatta:ak47:

Mushayef 11-12-2003 03:09 AM

actually the zionists have the best gun in the world. they have a gun that shoots behind corners. smart bastards!

http://www.jewish.ru/pic/matimages/994190573-1.jpeg

http://www.jewish.ru/pic/matimages/994190573-2.jpeg

Deepsy1 11-12-2003 03:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by VideoVoyeur
US "Special Forces" as most " non ever been in the military kid" calls them, do not use AK 47's or AK 52's.


For you non military lingo people, that an M16 with an underbelly single shot Grenade launcher.


Ak 47 is a 7.62 mil Nato round with a maximum effective killing range of 600 meters, whereas the M16 uses the 5.56 milimeter Nato Ball round with a maximum effective killing range of 300 meters.

Only in the movies buddy :thumbsup
heh kids...

"special forces" - your special forces just a fuckin soldiers with expirience , it ain't means that they CAN use any weapon.

tell me about Afganistan ? huh ? Chechnya ?
it's where real soldiers are ! they survive in most difficult conditions that your guys from "special forces" even never saw in their life

what the point about grenade launcher ? huh ? I can put grenade launcher on ANY AK version ! ? ANY, got it ?

Ak 47 is a 7.62 mil Nato round with a maximum effective killing range of 600 meters blah blah bla bla... bleh bla , YOU NEVER EVER TOUCHED AK , killing range [600 meters] ? just NO COMMENTS

for short dude , quit your vietnam movies , tell the voices in your head to shut the fuckin up , you just know about those weapons from a books , no more then that. And I'm highly doubt that you ever was in some army forces , anyhow , in practice , AK is better.
it's a fact.

btw. here in Israel , you can buy m16 for $220 , AK going around $2100

Deepsy1 11-12-2003 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mushayef
actually the zionists have the best gun in the world. they have a gun that shoots behind corners. smart bastards!

http://www.jewish.ru/pic/matimages/994190573-1.jpeg

http://www.jewish.ru/pic/matimages/994190573-2.jpeg

nothing new , I saw similiar AK before five or six year . jews rebuilding the shit by patents

who 11-12-2003 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by VideoVoyeur
M16 M203 as seen on a Marine recon personel

http://www.velocity.net/~digital/wea...h_assault4.jpg

Um.... Maybe they should actually load their weapons if they want to stop getting killed... ?

DarkJedi 11-12-2003 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by .?.


Um.... Maybe they should actually load their weapons if they want to stop getting killed... ?

Look at the guy - is he cross-eyed ?
What the hell is he lookin at ?

KraZ 11-12-2003 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by johnbosh
always used the ak-47 in counterstrike ratatatatatta:ak47:
Me too.... I'm probably one of the few that used it in real life too. During my mandatory military service I've used AK47 and AK74 (5.55 mm version) extensively. Over 2000 rounds of ammo :-)

who 11-12-2003 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DarkJedi


Look at the guy - is he cross-eyed ?
What the hell is he lookin at ?

I think it really is the 'Special' Force :1orglaugh

I_Nailed_Your_Sister 11-12-2003 07:21 AM

What you fuckheads know about weapons I could write on the head of a pin and still have room left over.

johnbosh 11-12-2003 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KraZ


Me too.... I'm probably one of the few that used it in real life too. During my mandatory military service I've used AK47 and AK74 (5.55 mm version) extensively. Over 2000 rounds of ammo :-)

wow how was it

Buff 11-12-2003 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by VideoVoyeur
US "Special Forces" as most " non ever been in the military kid" calls them, do not use AK 47's or AK 52's.

What are you kidding me? Give me a break, be in the military once before you jump to conclusion after watching your Chuck Norris movie.


US " Special Forces" aka, Green Berets, Rangers, Pathfinders, Marine Recon, Navy Seals , Air Force SP and Army Forward Observers are all categorically called US " special forces" and none of them carry ak 47's and or ak 52's and they never will.

Forward Observers??? HAHAHA You ain't special forces!

Army Special Forces are only composed of Green Berets (18series), Rangers in Ranger Bat, and CAG (Combat Applications Group aka Delta Force).

Forward Observers are NOT special forces. You may have been attached to special forces, but you ain't SF.

In the Air Farce, special forces is Combat Controllers and PJS.

In the Navy, special forces is SEALs and some say EOD

In the Marines, they don't really have special forces, but most people consider Force Recon and Snipers as such.

Anyway, true special forces weapon is the mind.


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