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big-trouble · 11-10-2003, 12:24 PM

I called the patent office to find out how to make a complaint about Acacia. I talked with a guy about the claims in the letter
and he laughed telling me that it sounded very fishy to him and that someone is trying to pull one over on me.
You guys might want to start calling the patent office and start asking them questions about the letter you received. Who
knows if they get enough calls about it they might take a look at it for themselves and see if Acacia claims are valid
when it comes to streaming video on the internet. It can't hurt to make a free call...
I have noticed that the big news organizations have not picked up on this story. Maybe if we were to get a little bit of public
awareness about this going it will help our cause. I have emailed all my members and everyone that has ever been a member
and the response is one of disbelief from them..
Their numbers for the Patent Office are:
1-800-786-9199
1-703-308-4357

Give them a call it can't hurt and tell your members too!!!
Let's get this way out in the open!!!!
Bill

Serge_Oprano · 11-10-2003, 01:15 PM

bump!

LeeNoga · 11-10-2003, 01:16 PM

Big trouble, thanks for the advice and its nice to know your helping the cause, thank-you :-)))

Juicy D. Links · 11-10-2003, 01:20 PM

WiredGuy · 11-10-2003, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by big-trouble
I talked with a guy about the claims in the letter and he laughed telling me that it sounded very fishy to him and that someone is trying to pull one over on me.

What exactly did the patent officer said sounded fishy? Namely, to what statement in Acacia's letter?

WG

Xplicit · 11-10-2003, 01:38 PM

Good idea.

SIG357 · 11-10-2003, 01:53 PM

I just called the patent office (number above) and they said it was a legitimate claim and should be taken seriously. I talked to someone in the research help area.

big-trouble · 11-10-2003, 01:54 PM

When I was talking to the guy I told him that Acacia claims to have the patent on
streaming video on the internet. "He laughed" "sounds fishy"

He asked me what claim number in the letter it said I was violating and I told him it did
not state what claim I was violating it only showed the patent numbers and that I was
infringing on their patents
"he then said that it sounds like some one is trying to pull one over on you"

I spoke to my attorney about this conversation and he said it means nothing because
they were the ones that granted the patent in the first place.

Bill

SIG357 · 11-10-2003, 02:04 PM

They asked me for a patent number from the letter then verified that Acacia does hold that patent. Seemed to recognize the law firm when he looked it up. Said letter should be taken seriously -

Pleasurepays · 11-10-2003, 02:05 PM

how can you complain directly to the patent office? is there is process for this that is more or less realistic?

can someone cause a patent to be reviewed?

The Truth Hurts · 11-10-2003, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIG357
I just called the patent office (number above) and they said it was a legitimate claim and should be taken seriously. I talked to someone in the research help area.

hello acacia.

SIG357 · 11-10-2003, 02:10 PM

Quote:

hello acacia

Wrong...

doober · 11-10-2003, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts

hello acacia.

Gemini · 11-10-2003, 02:27 PM

Yes you can file with the USPTO to review a patent... $1000.00 is the fee. It would seem that Spike and the guys opted to not go that way, no doubt on legal advice for whatever reason that might be. ANYone can do that on any patent.

If you could lay out ALL the patents that seem to cover the same areas or very closely are the same, they might just have something to say. Overlapping claims should justify pulling the patents or ordering a more narrow description you'd think. WHo knows.

hyper · 11-10-2003, 02:37 PM

the ftc has started to call for patent reform

http://www.theregister.com/content/4/33691.html

i suggest as always you go to www.ftc.gov and
FILE A COMPLAINT about the letter and tactics being used

WiredGuy · 11-10-2003, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gemini
Yes you can file with the USPTO to review a patent... $1000.00 is the fee. It would seem that Spike and the guys opted to not go that way, no doubt on legal advice for whatever reason that might be. ANYone can do that on any patent.

Where and how.
WG

TaDoW · 11-10-2003, 02:52 PM

I am thinking this is a bad idea BECAUSE:

if it was that easy, impa probably would have done it already - and let's say you get them to look into the appeal, and without an educated background in the industry, the court only upholds their patent, this will hurt/hinder our progress in beating the patent in the courts that much more.

ravener · 11-10-2003, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gemini
Yes you can file with the USPTO to review a patent... $1000.00 is the fee. It would seem that Spike and the guys opted to not go that way, no doubt on legal advice for whatever reason that might be. ANYone can do that on any patent.

If you could lay out ALL the patents that seem to cover the same areas or very closely are the same, they might just have something to say. Overlapping claims should justify pulling the patents or ordering a more narrow description you'd think. WHo knows.

You can definitely do that, but it won't prevent Acrapia from proceeding with a lawsuit. The USPTO has a huge backlog from what I hear, and it could take up to two years or more before they start the review.

Gemini · 11-10-2003, 03:05 PM

Hmmm I'm lost in their site. lol Might be easier to call them and ask WG. I've had 2 or 3 people from different places mention that and none of them know one another or hit the same places. (Mainstream and adult people) so there must be some grain of truth to it.

I found where you can file challenges etc but so far only during the approval process.

http://www.uspto.gov/main/profiles/legislator.htm

There is so much mumbo jumbo it might take awhile to find it. ;-) It wouldn't be a court looking it over, I believe it would only be the examiners or some board they have. (Seems they have alot of boards lol)

WiredGuy · 11-10-2003, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gemini
Hmmm I'm lost in their site. lol Might be easier to call them and ask WG. I've had 2 or 3 people from different places mention that and none of them know one another or hit the same places. (Mainstream and adult people) so there must be some grain of truth to it.

Thanks...
WG

FightThisPatent · 11-10-2003, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TaDoW
[Bif it was that easy, impa probably would have done it already - and let's say you get them to look into the appeal, and without an educated background in the industry, the court only upholds their patent, this will hurt/hinder our progress in beating the patent in the courts that much more. [/B]

The $1000 petition fee is the easy part.. getting USPTO to get around to your petition is another.. could tke 3-6 months before they get to you..and when the time comes, you need to have patent attorneys and solid prior art.... all of this still costs alot of money, so it's not an easy option.

if the USPTO sees there is a pending litigation over this issue, they may just hold the petition request until after the court case.

Invalidating patents directly with the USPTO is much more cost effective than going into court..... this is part of my strategy involved with Fight the Patent Foundation.

Fight the Delays!

GigaChris · 11-10-2003, 03:16 PM

Interesting thanks for the heads up

hollywood · 11-10-2003, 03:50 PM

just take a match to it and be done with it..

11-10-2003, 12:24 PM	#1
big-trouble Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 7	Acacia Patent office I called the patent office to find out how to make a complaint about Acacia. I talked with a guy about the claims in the letter and he laughed telling me that it sounded very fishy to him and that someone is trying to pull one over on me. You guys might want to start calling the patent office and start asking them questions about the letter you received. Who knows if they get enough calls about it they might take a look at it for themselves and see if Acacia claims are valid when it comes to streaming video on the internet. It can't hurt to make a free call... I have noticed that the big news organizations have not picked up on this story. Maybe if we were to get a little bit of public awareness about this going it will help our cause. I have emailed all my members and everyone that has ever been a member and the response is one of disbelief from them.. Their numbers for the Patent Office are: 1-800-786-9199 1-703-308-4357 Give them a call it can't hurt and tell your members too!!! Let's get this way out in the open!!!! Bill

11-10-2003, 02:27 PM	#14
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11-10-2003, 02:52 PM	#17
TaDoW Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Where It Rains Posts: 3,875	I am thinking this is a bad idea BECAUSE: if it was that easy, impa probably would have done it already - and let's say you get them to look into the appeal, and without an educated background in the industry, the court only upholds their patent, this will hurt/hinder our progress in beating the patent in the courts that much more. __________________ -TaDoW I've Upped My Standards, Up Yours!

11-10-2003, 03:05 PM	#19
Gemini Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: o-HI-o Posts: 7,183	Hmmm I'm lost in their site. lol Might be easier to call them and ask WG. I've had 2 or 3 people from different places mention that and none of them know one another or hit the same places. (Mainstream and adult people) so there must be some grain of truth to it. I found where you can file challenges etc but so far only during the approval process. http://www.uspto.gov/main/profiles/legislator.htm There is so much mumbo jumbo it might take awhile to find it. ;-) It wouldn't be a court looking it over, I believe it would only be the examiners or some board they have. (Seems they have alot of boards lol) __________________ <center><a target="_blank" href="http://dev.datedollars.com/index.php?s=signup&aid=535&cfg=aac"><img border="0" src="http://216.130.172.224/gfy/gsig.gif" width="490" height="100"></a><br><a href="http://dev.datedollars.com/index.php?s=signup&aid=535&cfg=aac" target="_blank"><b><font face="Arial"><font color="#FF99FF"> Buy me away from Slavedriver Smokey!<br>It's May Sig Sweeps!<font></b></center>

11-10-2003, 01:15 PM	#2
Serge_Oprano So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 9,820	bump!

11-10-2003, 01:16 PM	#3
LeeNoga Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Egg & Sperm Mutation Posts: 3,043	Big trouble, thanks for the advice and its nice to know your helping the cause, thank-you :-)))

11-10-2003, 01:20 PM	#4
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11-10-2003, 01:38 PM	#6
Xplicit Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: █◄►█ Posts: 3,558	Good idea.

11-10-2003, 01:53 PM	#7
SIG357 Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 175	I just called the patent office (number above) and they said it was a legitimate claim and should be taken seriously. I talked to someone in the research help area.

11-10-2003, 01:54 PM	#8
big-trouble Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 7	When I was talking to the guy I told him that Acacia claims to have the patent on streaming video on the internet. "He laughed" "sounds fishy" He asked me what claim number in the letter it said I was violating and I told him it did not state what claim I was violating it only showed the patent numbers and that I was infringing on their patents "he then said that it sounds like some one is trying to pull one over on you" I spoke to my attorney about this conversation and he said it means nothing because they were the ones that granted the patent in the first place. Bill

11-10-2003, 02:04 PM	#9
SIG357 Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 175	They asked me for a patent number from the letter then verified that Acacia does hold that patent. Seemed to recognize the law firm when he looked it up. Said letter should be taken seriously -

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11-10-2003, 03:50 PM	#23
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