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  • TheSaint
    Confirmed User
    • Jun 2003
    • 991

    #1

    What else now besides Redhat ?

    Now that RedHat has exited the free Linux business, I am not exactly sure what to do. I have a plethora of Red Hat Linux servers for a half dozen mainstream and porn businesses.

    I am basically a lazy fuck, and was attracted to the up2date system where I could automatically patch the servers weekly. I just have too many servers to be reading daily emails about security patches.

    For the higher end servers. no problem. We have already started ordering RH Enterprise at $799 per year per server.

    But for all my lower end servers, what now? Do I go with another Linux distro? FreeBSD? Os2 warp?

    I really don't want to loose up2date. And I don't care if I am running the latest shit or not; I just want it stable and mindless to maintain and install.

    What are you guys doing about the Red Hat mess?
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  • NetRodent
    Confirmed User
    • Jan 2002
    • 3985

    #2
    Depends on what the servers do. Sometimes you need a hammer and sometimes you need a screwdriver.
    "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."
    --H.L. Mencken

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    • TheSaint
      Confirmed User
      • Jun 2003
      • 991

      #3
      Originally posted by NetRodent
      Depends on what the servers do. Sometimes you need a hammer and sometimes you need a screwdriver.
      Ok, I need a bulldozer.
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      • Probono
        Confirmed User
        • Oct 2002
        • 2731

        #4
        Mandrake Linux

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        • Eve
          Confirmed User
          • Dec 2002
          • 805

          #5
          Originally posted by TheSaint
          Now that RedHat has exited the free Linux business, I am not exactly sure what to do. I have a plethora of Red Hat Linux servers for a half dozen mainstream and porn businesses.

          I am basically a lazy fuck, and was attracted to the up2date system where I could automatically patch the servers weekly. I just have too many servers to be reading daily emails about security patches.

          For the higher end servers. no problem. We have already started ordering RH Enterprise at $799 per year per server.

          But for all my lower end servers, what now? Do I go with another Linux distro? FreeBSD? Os2 warp?

          I really don't want to loose up2date. And I don't care if I am running the latest shit or not; I just want it stable and mindless to maintain and install.

          What are you guys doing about the Red Hat mess?
          Go debian, been around alot longer, completely GNU, has better tools than up2date (all you have to type to update ALL packages, if updates are available is 'apt get update'), (rpm's suck). If you want the best performance, go free/net bsd.
          I'm waiting for the Mr Fushion Fleshlight so I can wank my way back to the future!

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          • Aussie Steve
            Registered User
            • Oct 2003
            • 15

            #6
            FreeBSD *all* the way. Very simple to keep upto date, you could practically cron it once a week

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            • skillfull
              Confirmed User
              • Apr 2003
              • 4716

              #7
              mandrake blows
              go for debian !
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              • NetRodent
                Confirmed User
                • Jan 2002
                • 3985

                #8
                Originally posted by TheSaint


                Ok, I need a bulldozer.
                *shrug* Here you go...

                http://linuxberg.inter.net.il/intern...view/9084.html
                "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."
                --H.L. Mencken

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                • Why
                  MFBA
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 7230

                  #9
                  freebsd, or debian.

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                  • grannytgp
                    Confirmed User
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 269

                    #10
                    Originally posted by TheSaint
                    Now that RedHat has exited the free Linux business, I am not exactly sure what to do. I have a plethora of Red Hat Linux servers for a half dozen mainstream and porn businesses.
                    Maybe I'm out of the loop on this... but I wasn't aware that RedHat had plans of stopping their free linux distros? Sure, they're offering higher end Enterprise versions of Linux for big business, but as far as I knew they still do offer the plain vanilla flavor of RedHat without all the enterprise bells and whistles.

                    Also.. one other option for an "up2date" alternative is a program called "AutoUpdate". Works like a champ for updates using any RedHat mirror of your choice -- and no subscription to the RedHat network needed Here's the link: http://www.mat.univie.ac.at/~gerald/ftp/autoupdate/

                    Somebody please verify the whole "RedHat has exited the free Linux business" thing if you have any info.

                    Thanks
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                    • TheSaint
                      Confirmed User
                      • Jun 2003
                      • 991

                      #11
                      Yep, sorry it is true.

                      All red Hat Linux products have reached end of life with the last being 9.0 ending in first qtr 03.

                      If you want support and security updates you have to go to Enterprise, its $799 a server minimum - I just bought a bunch of them, and that is PER YEAR.
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                      • grannytgp
                        Confirmed User
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 269

                        #12
                        Originally posted by TheSaint
                        Yep, sorry it is true.

                        All red Hat Linux products have reached end of life with the last being 9.0 ending in first qtr 03.

                        If you want support and security updates you have to go to Enterprise, its $799 a server minimum - I just bought a bunch of them, and that is PER YEAR.
                        Wow... definitely a bummer. I've been using RedHat for nearly 6yrs now, and have grown quite used to it. Do you happen to have a link to a press release or anything from RedHat on this issue?

                        Usually when the OS version starts getting old, the hardward of the server starts getting old as well. So might not be such a bad thing.. probably be ready for new machines next year anyway.

                        Still sucks though
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                        • MetaformX
                          Confirmed User
                          • Mar 2002
                          • 6704

                          #13
                          Originally posted by NetRodent
                          Depends on what the servers do. Sometimes you need a hammer and sometimes you need a screwdriver.
                          and sometimes you need to stick with the subject at hand

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                          • Groove
                            Confirmed User
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 3852

                            #14
                            Originally posted by grannytgp
                            Do you happen to have a link to a press release or anything from RedHat on this issue?
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                            • Groove
                              Confirmed User
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 3852

                              #15
                              Originally posted by TheSaint
                              Yep, sorry it is true.

                              All red Hat Linux products have reached end of life with the last being 9.0 ending in first qtr 03.

                              If you want support and security updates you have to go to Enterprise, its $799 a server minimum - I just bought a bunch of them, and that is PER YEAR.
                              There's a free unsupported Redhat OS called Fedora:

                              http://fedora.redhat.com/

                              Fedora will be the testing-ground for Redhat Enterprise.

                              You can do up2date style updates via apt-get:

                              http://danhendricks.com/site.content...et-redhat.html

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                              • VirtuMike
                                Confirmed User
                                • May 2002
                                • 2483

                                #16
                                Redhat got greedy. REALLY greedy.

                                I was about to start a thread just like this.

                                I have heard Debian and Mandrake are the next big linuxes. I was thinking about moving everything to freebsd. Not sure what to do - but freebsd seems to be the better option.
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                                • iroc409
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Jan 2003
                                  • 4728

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by VirtuMike
                                  Redhat got greedy. REALLY greedy.

                                  i saw this coming since the beginning, that's why i never really was a big fan of suckhat. it was always a very commercial product, this was inevitable.
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