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TheSaint · 11-04-2003, 08:01 PM

Now that RedHat has exited the free Linux business, I am not exactly sure what to do. I have a plethora of Red Hat Linux servers for a half dozen mainstream and porn businesses.

I am basically a lazy fuck, and was attracted to the up2date system where I could automatically patch the servers weekly. I just have too many servers to be reading daily emails about security patches.

For the higher end servers. no problem. We have already started ordering RH Enterprise at $799 per year per server.

But for all my lower end servers, what now? Do I go with another Linux distro? FreeBSD? Os2 warp?

I really don't want to loose up2date. And I don't care if I am running the latest shit or not; I just want it stable and mindless to maintain and install.

What are you guys doing about the Red Hat mess?

NetRodent · 11-04-2003, 08:03 PM

Depends on what the servers do. Sometimes you need a hammer and sometimes you need a screwdriver.

TheSaint · 11-04-2003, 08:08 PM

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Originally posted by NetRodent
Depends on what the servers do. Sometimes you need a hammer and sometimes you need a screwdriver.

Ok, I need a bulldozer.

Probono · 11-04-2003, 08:12 PM

Mandrake Linux

Eve · 11-04-2003, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheSaint
Now that RedHat has exited the free Linux business, I am not exactly sure what to do. I have a plethora of Red Hat Linux servers for a half dozen mainstream and porn businesses.

I am basically a lazy fuck, and was attracted to the up2date system where I could automatically patch the servers weekly. I just have too many servers to be reading daily emails about security patches.

For the higher end servers. no problem. We have already started ordering RH Enterprise at $799 per year per server.

But for all my lower end servers, what now? Do I go with another Linux distro? FreeBSD? Os2 warp?

I really don't want to loose up2date. And I don't care if I am running the latest shit or not; I just want it stable and mindless to maintain and install.

What are you guys doing about the Red Hat mess?

Go debian, been around alot longer, completely GNU, has better tools than up2date (all you have to type to update ALL packages, if updates are available is 'apt get update'), (rpm's suck). If you want the best performance, go free/net bsd.

Aussie Steve · 11-04-2003, 08:16 PM

FreeBSD *all* the way. Very simple to keep upto date, you could practically cron it once a week

skillfull · 11-04-2003, 08:19 PM

mandrake blows
go for debian !

NetRodent · 11-04-2003, 08:21 PM

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Originally posted by TheSaint

Ok, I need a bulldozer.

*shrug* Here you go...

http://linuxberg.inter.net.il/intern...view/9084.html

Why · 11-04-2003, 08:43 PM

freebsd, or debian.

grannytgp · 11-04-2003, 09:07 PM

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Originally posted by TheSaint
Now that RedHat has exited the free Linux business, I am not exactly sure what to do. I have a plethora of Red Hat Linux servers for a half dozen mainstream and porn businesses.

Maybe I'm out of the loop on this... but I wasn't aware that RedHat had plans of stopping their free linux distros? Sure, they're offering higher end Enterprise versions of Linux for big business, but as far as I knew they still do offer the plain vanilla flavor of RedHat without all the enterprise bells and whistles.

Also.. one other option for an "up2date" alternative is a program called "AutoUpdate". Works like a champ for updates using any RedHat mirror of your choice -- and no subscription to the RedHat network needed

Here's the link: http://www.mat.univie.ac.at/~gerald/ftp/autoupdate/

Somebody please verify the whole "RedHat has exited the free Linux business" thing if you have any info.

Thanks

TheSaint · 11-04-2003, 09:23 PM

Yep, sorry it is true.

All red Hat Linux products have reached end of life with the last being 9.0 ending in first qtr 03.

If you want support and security updates you have to go to Enterprise, its $799 a server minimum - I just bought a bunch of them, and that is PER YEAR.

grannytgp · 11-04-2003, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheSaint
Yep, sorry it is true.

All red Hat Linux products have reached end of life with the last being 9.0 ending in first qtr 03.

If you want support and security updates you have to go to Enterprise, its $799 a server minimum - I just bought a bunch of them, and that is PER YEAR.

Wow... definitely a bummer. I've been using RedHat for nearly 6yrs now, and have grown quite used to it. Do you happen to have a link to a press release or anything from RedHat on this issue?

Usually when the OS version starts getting old, the hardward of the server starts getting old as well. So might not be such a bad thing.. probably be ready for new machines next year anyway.

Still sucks though

MetaformX · 11-04-2003, 10:10 PM

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Originally posted by NetRodent
Depends on what the servers do. Sometimes you need a hammer and sometimes you need a screwdriver.

and sometimes you need to stick with the subject at hand

Groove · 11-05-2003, 12:27 AM

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Originally posted by grannytgp
Do you happen to have a link to a press release or anything from RedHat on this issue?

Quote:

Thank you for being a Red Hat Network customer.

This e-mail provides you with important information about the upcoming
discontinuation of Red Hat Linux, and resources to assist you with your
migration to another Red Hat solution.

As previously communicated, Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and
errata support for Red Hat Linux 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 and 8.0 as of December
31, 2003. Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for
Red Hat Linux 9 as of April 30, 2004. Red Hat does not plan to release
another product in the Red Hat Linux line.

With the recent announcement of Red Hat Enterprise Linux v.3, you'll
find migrating to Enterprise Linux appealing. We understand
that transitioning to another Red Hat solution requires careful planning
and implementation. We have created a migration plan for Red Hat Network
customers to help make the transition as simple and seamless as
possible. Details:

****************
If you purchase Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS or ES Basic before February
28, 2004, you will receive 50% off the price for two years.[*] (That's two
years for the price of one.)

****************
In addition, we have created a Red Hat Linux Migration Resource Center
to address your migration planning and other questions, such as:

* What are best practices for implementing the migration to Red Hat
Enterprise Linux?

* Are there other migration alternatives?

* How do I purchase Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS or ES Basic at the price
above?

* What if my paid subscription to RHN extends past April 30, 2004?

****************

Find out more about your migration options with product comparisons,
whitepapers and documentation at the Red Hat Linux Migration Resource
Center:

http://www.redhat.com/solutions/migration/rhl/rhn

Or read the FAQ written especially for Red Hat Network customers:

https://rhn.redhat.com/help/rhlmigrationfaq/

Sincerely,

Red Hat, Inc.

Groove · 11-05-2003, 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheSaint
Yep, sorry it is true.

All red Hat Linux products have reached end of life with the last being 9.0 ending in first qtr 03.

If you want support and security updates you have to go to Enterprise, its $799 a server minimum - I just bought a bunch of them, and that is PER YEAR.

There's a free unsupported Redhat OS called Fedora:

http://fedora.redhat.com/

Fedora will be the testing-ground for Redhat Enterprise.

You can do up2date style updates via apt-get:

http://danhendricks.com/site.content...et-redhat.html

VirtuMike · 11-05-2003, 01:39 AM

Redhat got greedy. REALLY greedy.

I was about to start a thread just like this.

I have heard Debian and Mandrake are the next big linuxes. I was thinking about moving everything to freebsd. Not sure what to do - but freebsd seems to be the better option.

iroc409 · 11-05-2003, 02:08 AM

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Originally posted by VirtuMike
Redhat got greedy. REALLY greedy.

i saw this coming since the beginning, that's why i never really was a big fan of suckhat. it was always a very commercial product, this was inevitable.

11-04-2003, 08:01 PM	#1
TheSaint Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Everywhere at once Posts: 991	What else now besides Redhat ? Now that RedHat has exited the free Linux business, I am not exactly sure what to do. I have a plethora of Red Hat Linux servers for a half dozen mainstream and porn businesses. I am basically a lazy fuck, and was attracted to the up2date system where I could automatically patch the servers weekly. I just have too many servers to be reading daily emails about security patches. For the higher end servers. no problem. We have already started ordering RH Enterprise at $799 per year per server. But for all my lower end servers, what now? Do I go with another Linux distro? FreeBSD? Os2 warp? I really don't want to loose up2date. And I don't care if I am running the latest shit or not; I just want it stable and mindless to maintain and install. What are you guys doing about the Red Hat mess?

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TheSaint Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Everywhere at once Posts: 991	Yep, sorry it is true. All red Hat Linux products have reached end of life with the last being 9.0 ending in first qtr 03. If you want support and security updates you have to go to Enterprise, its $799 a server minimum - I just bought a bunch of them, and that is PER YEAR.