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11-03-2003, 01:25 PM

When I Click to unsubscribe to the spam I get in my email box and enter in my email to that little unsubscribe box is it really fucking unsubscribing me, or just giving my email to even more spammers?

Im wondering if I should even bother to click on the litte message on the bottom of the spam emails that say unsubscribe or if its just letting the spmmers know that the email is a real person and adds me to even more lists...

Do I need to file a complaint directly to the sponsor on the spam (since I know who most of the sponsors are personally anyhow) with a cc to the state to which they reside or whats the best way to get off this spam master list with my domains at boneprone.com

Im about to really fuck some people here in a bit and thought Id check first.

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11-03-2003, 01:28 PM

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11-03-2003, 01:28 PM

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11-03-2003, 01:28 PM

LOL do you actually think spammers will waste time on managing their email lists? Most iif not all will email you either way, as long as your email isint reported to be dead.....so its better off you DONT EVER reply to the messages if they seem to bother you so much. Later
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11-03-2003, 01:29 PM

The problem is it's 50/50, responsible mailers honor their remove links and will take you off their lists if you ask, irresponsible spammers use them to collect live e-mails that aren't blocking their spam.
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11-03-2003, 01:30 PM

So again I ask, is entering in my email into those little fucking "unsubscibe me" boxes:

A. doing more harm than good, that is subscribing me to more shit confirming Im a real person at this email address.

B. Really Unsubscribing Me

C. Not doing anything. No harm or Good. Its just a bogus unsubscribe function.

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11-03-2003, 01:31 PM

replying to spam email or clicking unsubscribe lets spammers know that they have a "live one." You will probably get more spam if you do this.

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11-03-2003, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by boneprone
So again I ask, is entering in my email into those little fucking "unsubscibe me" boxes:

C. Not doing anything. No harm or Good. Its just a bogus unsubscribe function.

(C) ... I bet half of the spam you get are sent from people that frequent GFY .. ;)
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11-03-2003, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by tonkagunner
replying to spam email or clicking unsubscribe lets spammers know that they have a "live one." You will probably get more spam if you do this.

Thats what I thought.

So here's what im gunna do...

Like I said I know many of the OWNERS of these sites im gettign spammed with..

Im going to put their PERSONAL emails into the "unsubscribe" boxes...

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11-03-2003, 01:36 PM

bone the answer would be A

dont reply at all....by replying you will be listed as an active email address and maybe even used to be sold to others and maybe get double the amount of spam.
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11-03-2003, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by LamboSV
bone the answer would be A

dont reply at all....by replying you will be listed as an active email address and maybe even used to be sold to others and maybe get double the amount of spam.

Yeah thats exactly what I thought and was always told...

Just making sure...

So how do I stop getting the 200 spams a day i wonder?

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11-03-2003, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by boneprone

Thats what I thought.

So here's what im gunna do...

Like I said I know many of the OWNERS of these sites im gettign spammed with..

Im going to put their PERSONAL emails into the "unsubscribe" boxes...

mother fuckers

LMAO
that's the funniest idea I've heard concerning the "remove" bullshit yet
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11-03-2003, 01:39 PM

id love to know the answer to this aswell..pain in the ass these fucking emails!
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11-03-2003, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by boneprone

Yeah thats exactly what I thought and was always told...

Just making sure...

So how do I stop getting the 200 spams a day i wonder?

only 200? you fucking pussy!

get Outlook e-mail client, and then pick up one of the good spam killers wthat can learn what you block. Not Outlook Express, but Outlook. I think it is bundled with Office or Works, some shit like that.
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11-03-2003, 01:41 PM

Spammers dont honor removes, mailers do.
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11-03-2003, 01:42 PM

Personally when I used to mail I honored removes but I was pretty much a one-man operation. I didn't deal with any of the other guys out there so I don't really know about them.

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11-03-2003, 01:42 PM

Originally posted by boneprone

Thats what I thought.

So here's what im gunna do...

Like I said I know many of the OWNERS of these sites im gettign spammed with..

Im going to put their PERSONAL emails into the "unsubscribe" boxes...

mother fuckers

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11-03-2003, 01:42 PM

boneprone there isint really any way.........you have to live with the fact.....right now most mailers are using proxies to send out their emails....anonymous proxies obviously.....but there are starting to be less and less proxies available due to companies like spamcop and such. Report all the IPS and message headers to companies like spamcop.........whenever in doing so it will be one more IP address less spammers are using to spam.....but right now the proxies are pretty much near the end of their life cycle....

There will be something new they are working on to go around this, like always.
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11-03-2003, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by LamboSV
boneprone there isint really any way.........you have to live with the fact.....right now most mailers are using proxies to send out their emails....anonymous proxies obviously.....but there are starting to be less and less proxies available due to companies like spamcop and such. Report all the IPS and message headers to companies like spamcop.........whenever in doing so it will be one more IP address less spammers are using to spam.....but right now the proxies are pretty much near the end of their life cycle....

There will be something new they are working on to go around this, like always.

That makes no sense. Spamcop doesnt list IP's permanently. So there is not one less IP for spammers to use. There is 1 less IP for spammers to use for about 24 hours.
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11-03-2003, 01:47 PM

It's tough to tell nowadays.

On any mail I send, I honor all remove requests and process every 24 hours. Although you don't have to enter shit on my unsubscribes, you click the link, confirm and you are removed...

That's the way it should be.

I also don't spoof any server info or from address either...

maybe I'm a minority

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11-03-2003, 01:47 PM

Here's what I do.

Put in a fake email address in the unsubscribe field, [email protected] is a nice one to use.

When you hit submit, if it takes you to a page saying 'Thanks! You've been unsubscribed'

you know it's a load of shit.

If it errors, then you'll be fine to unsubscribe your real email

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11-03-2003, 01:48 PM

just get www.iopus.com

make a macro that goes to 100's of sites and enters their email into newsletter boxes. then when someone pisses you off you just hit 1 button and they're subscribed to hundreds of bullshit sites.
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11-03-2003, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by quantum-x
Here's what I do.

Put in a fake email address in the unsubscribe field, [email protected] is a nice one to use.

When you hit submit, if it takes you to a page saying 'Thanks! You've been unsubscribed'

you know it's a load of shit.

If it errors, then you'll be fine to unsubscribe your real email

That's not really how it works, most are mailing from windows apps. Like when I was mailing my removes would just save to a text file on the server. I'd download that then run it through the list manager and it'd clean out all the removes before my next mailing. There's no way to check for a remove that's not on your list server side there.

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11-03-2003, 01:50 PM

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11-03-2003, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by quantum-x
Here's what I do.

Put in a fake email address in the unsubscribe field, [email protected] is a nice one to use.

When you hit submit, if it takes you to a page saying 'Thanks! You've been unsubscribed'

you know it's a load of shit.

If it errors, then you'll be fine to unsubscribe your real email

That's not necessarily true.

In our unsubscribe database we don't query against the database in real time. It would cause too much load on our server. we do process all removes daily and archive all remove requests for future scrubbing on any lists we obtain. If you unsubscribe once from us, you will not be allowed to subscribe to any of our other lists

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11-03-2003, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by PM2
just get www.iopus.com

make a macro that goes to 100's of sites and enters their email into newsletter boxes. then when someone pisses you off you just hit 1 button and they're subscribed to hundreds of bullshit sites.

Got newsletter sites that don't need double opt-in? I'd use that all the time, little bastard I am.

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11-03-2003, 01:58 PM

Originally posted by Steve

only 200? you fucking pussy!

get Outlook e-mail client, and then pick up one of the good spam killers wthat can learn what you block. Not Outlook Express, but Outlook. I think it is bundled with Office or Works, some shit like that.

Yeah man, i have a spma filter.
I have so many key words filtered out I loose a lot of legit email from people!!

I still even with this get soooo much spam

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11-03-2003, 01:59 PM

this is what i've found when trying to unsubscribe

it seems as tho i really was taken off the list and don't get spam from that certain person anymore BUT i start getting new emails from companies/ppl which i didn't get anything from in the past. even get emails like 'welcome! thanks for signing up to blah blah'.

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11-03-2003, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by LamboSV
boneprone there isint really any way.........you have to live with the fact.....right now most mailers are using proxies to send out their emails....anonymous proxies obviously.....but there are starting to be less and less proxies available due to companies like spamcop and such. Report all the IPS and message headers to companies like spamcop.........whenever in doing so it will be one more IP address less spammers are using to spam.....but right now the proxies are pretty much near the end of their life cycle....

There will be something new they are working on to go around this, like always.

The sponsors are gunna fucking love it when they get their own spam and tons of others right to thier personal email addresses.

From this day on, all "unsubscribes" entered into the litte boxes will be either to the owner of the paysite, or to the owner of the host or billing company.. I know enough of the top people, and fuck it, they are gunna join me in enjoying the spam.

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11-03-2003, 02:01 PM

First step: Report em to the sponsor... sponsor keeps money and is happy... spammer gets termed with extreme prejudice (which makes them UNhappy) and has to move on to new sponsor... cycle starts over. Spammer runs out of sponsors or eating money (which ever comes first) and quits.

Second step: if sponsor allows it to continue, report it to your state AG's office and let THEM deal with spammer AND the sponsor. Rarely comes to that step. ;-)

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11-03-2003, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by boneprone

The sponsors are gunna fucking love it when they get their own spam and tons of others right to thier personal email addresses.

From this day on, all "unsubscribes" entered into the litte boxes will be either to the owner of the paysite, or to the owner of the host or billing company.. I know enough of the top people, and fuck it, they are gunna join me in enjoying the spam.

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11-03-2003, 02:13 PM

if you click my remove link you wont every hear another thing from me or my associates for the rest of time.

there are other assholes that figure if you opted out of porn, then you must want pills. and when you opt out of those, you must want software. and if you opt out of that you must want spam hosting. or a mrtgage lead. etc, etc.

any good mailer can already tell if your email is valid without you clicking on anything.
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11-03-2003, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by Gemini

Second step: if sponsor allows it to continue, report it to your state AG's office and let THEM deal with spammer AND the sponsor. Rarely comes to that step. ;-)

What if they're both from any place besides California? Spam isn't illegal in most countries including Canada.
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11-03-2003, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by detoxed
Spammers dont honor removes, mailers do.

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11-03-2003, 02:40 PM

Whenever you put your name in an unsubscribe box, it's actually letting the spammer know that your address is still active, and that you read the email.

Mailers will remove you though.
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11-03-2003, 03:02 PM

it's because, 90% of the "spam" you get comes where the sponsor hosts the url's. they host a removes link for the 20 people mailing to it. so they are getting 250,000 removes / day. those are all valid emails, so why not mail them? that's why they do. steals the people that are mailing for them, steals their lists.
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11-03-2003, 03:05 PM

Cali isn't the only place that has laws on spam. And other laws can cover spam as well. Especially when porn and medical spam turns up in a kids mailbox. More and more states have them coming into effect or in their state level govts to bust this back.

I believe the Feds said a unsubscribe must be included that WORKS. Not many have them and less work. So why bother? Send them in for spamming to the sponsor. I know d*mned well *I* didn't opt to their list or any other one.

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11-03-2003, 03:13 PM

We unsubscribe anyone that asks, clicks the link etc..

And most programs, like mine, demand that you do honor removals, if you dont, the people you spam can get very upset. Which just leads to trouble..
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11-03-2003, 03:32 PM

i would say 8 out of 10 they remove you. The ones that do not prcocess removals have their BP shut down very fast.
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11-03-2003, 03:38 PM

most professional mailers have their opt-out box just for that, optingout. why in the hell would we want to keep mailing someone who doesnt want to buy anything and waste proxies on their ass? shit, thats time and money lost. alot of times though, anti's being the ignorant person they are, will try to take down the opt-out link by DDoS'ing or hacking/cracking. That hurts the consumer more than it hurts the emailer.

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11-03-2003, 03:40 PM

you can mail with respect using optouts and paying attension to them!

but for spammers that send out 100million general non targeted spams a day.. i really dont think that optout link will ever do anything atall!

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11-03-2003, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by SlutFinder
you can mail with respect using optouts and paying attension to them!

but for spammers that send out 100million general non targeted spams a day.. i really dont think that optout link will ever do anything atall!

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11-03-2003, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by boneprone
When I Click to unsubscribe to the spam I get in my email box and enter in my email to that little unsubscribe box is it really fucking unsubscribing me, or just giving my email to even more spammers?

Im wondering if I should even bother to click on the litte message on the bottom of the spam emails that say unsubscribe or if its just letting the spmmers know that the email is a real person and adds me to even more lists...

Do I need to file a complaint directly to the sponsor on the spam (since I know who most of the sponsors are personally anyhow) with a cc to the state to which they reside or whats the best way to get off this spam master list with my domains at boneprone.com

Im about to really fuck some people here in a bit and thought Id check first.

unsubscribing = verifying your email ( you will get more spam)

complaining = hahaha like that works

cc = hahaha like that works too

finding from what state the spammer is = hahahahahahaa...wait bwhahahaha like that works too...
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11-03-2003, 03:52 PM

If I get one more spam email trying to sell me Vicodin or Xanax I will buy 10 bottles track down the spammer and shove them down his throat

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11-03-2003, 04:01 PM

Many people have completely given up using email due to spam. I have heard of entire companies changing policy and not using email because they are sick of paying employees to sit there and read/delete junk mail.

Soon the only people that will use email is us type of people that have to. It is becoming not reliable. To much spam. And to many valid emails are lost in spam filters

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11-03-2003, 04:05 PM

The best thing to do, is to transfer over the rights to your domains to me. That way I can manage your email and filter out the spam.

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11-03-2003, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by vending_machine

(C) ... I bet half of the spam you get are sent from people that frequent GFY .. ;)

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11-03-2003, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by boneprone

Yeah thats exactly what I thought and was always told...

Just making sure...

So how do I stop getting the 200 spams a day i wonder?

Do not respond and if they are particularly obnoxious, use SpamCop to report em. Spamcop is interesting because it does automate the process of detecting where stuff is coming from and the location of the webhosts. Sometimes it does some good, other times not, depend if they are in partnership with their hosts.
Since all the Spammers seem to hate Spamcop, SPEWS, and Spamhaus, I'll let that be an indicator of their effectiveness.

What would be helpful is a tougher policy on Spam Suppport services being offered on GFY....... It seems to be getting worse and many of the "services" are in violation of various state and international laws....
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11-03-2003, 05:10 PM

I have a friend who send for a living and he said that the only time they remove email is when they get complains from either the sponsors who will cancel their account or their ISP which never occur because the email dont come from them but from millions of innocent internet users througout the world. So dont even bother trying to find who they are because if they are professional, you will most likely end-up kicking the wrong door because of proxying and headers spoofing tactics.

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11-03-2003, 05:17 PM

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