Helicopter shot down in Iraq 13 US Soliders dead now. - GoFuckYourself.com

Digipimp · 11-02-2003, 04:03 AM

The totals have been updated they now say 13 dead and 20 injured. It continues to get ulgier over there.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...d=540&ncid=716

Mr.Fiction · 11-02-2003, 04:05 AM

Local villagers displayed blackened pieces of wreckage to arriving reporters, and in nearby Fallujah townspeople celebrated on the streets. "This was a new lesson from the resistance, a lesson to the greedy aggressors," said one Iraqi, who wouldn't give his name. "They'll never be safe until they get out of our country," he said of the Americans.

Digipimp · 11-02-2003, 04:12 AM

Shit works on a different time table over there. Those motherfuckers don't move fast they take their time, just because they haven't killed a lot of people yet didn't mean they weren't going to. It just takes them time to get together what they want to do and it's starting to hit. It's only going to get better because it will force our troops to get even more aggressive only pissing the average guy off even more. And no one else is going to want to put their troops in the middle of this shit, because of Bush all those assclowns are just going to sit back and watch us take the heat.

who · 11-02-2003, 04:12 AM

They'll NEVER leave, cant' you people realise that? Maybe you can, but those poor soldiers sure as hell don't .

If ever they try to leave.. it's going to INCREASE the number of attacks on them.. because the spirits of the iraqis will go through the roof.

Besides, they need to keep the troops there for then they attack Syria.

SYNIKAL · 11-02-2003, 04:14 AM

Horrible for the attack..

Can you imagine what US will do now because of it though?

They are screwed.... (IMHO)

who · 11-02-2003, 04:19 AM

The US is sort of powerless at the moment... They can't do anything publicly against the iraquis (on a large scale), but I would certainly bet that there'll be plenty of smoking US cartridges tinkling on the streets where that chopper went down. And why the hell not..

Digipimp · 11-02-2003, 04:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by .?.
The US is sort of powerless at the moment... They can't do anything publicly against the iraquis (on a large scale), but I would certainly bet that there'll be plenty of smoking US cartridges tinkling on the streets where that chopper went down. And why the hell not..

You're fucked if you do and you're fucked if you don't is what's up over there. You don't start killing motherfuckers and getting agressive you get killed, you get too agressive like you need to and the average iraqi turns on you and all hell breaks loose. It's a pretty delicate balance our guys have to deal with over there.

Mr.Fiction · 11-02-2003, 04:46 AM

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Originally posted by Digipimp

You're fucked if you do and you're fucked if you don't is what's up over there. You don't start killing motherfuckers and getting agressive you get killed, you get too agressive like you need to and the average iraqi turns on you and all hell breaks loose. It's a pretty delicate balance our guys have to deal with over there.

Like Vietnam?

ChumpChange · 11-02-2003, 04:50 AM

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"Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations' mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression that we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land."

-- George H. W. Bush, in his 1998 memoir A World Transformed

Well shit happens

Mr.Fiction · 11-02-2003, 04:58 AM

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Originally posted by ChumpChange

-- George H. W. Bush, in his 1998 memoir A World Transformed

Too bad his son wasn't as smart.

Paul · 11-02-2003, 05:05 AM

Its only going to get worse

uno · 11-02-2003, 05:10 AM

I think the news said there were 4 soldiers killed in 2 ambush attacks in the same town earlier also.

Markit · 11-02-2003, 05:17 AM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

Like Vietnam?

exactly

Digipimp · 11-02-2003, 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

Like Vietnam?

Nope, as anti King George as I am this is nothing like Vietnam and won't be anything like it. We don't so much fight over borders anymore, and this war isn't over borders and land. It's over a way of life and it's worldwide. This is going to be nothing like Vietnam it's WWIII and it's only starting.

arkenon · 11-02-2003, 05:35 AM

Too late to pull out now....
too late to come in hard...
We could withdraw our troops and apologize for the trouble,
or we could send in the Air Force to blow up their yard.

But now either way we choose,
and get the scales tipping...
there is too much pride at stake,
so we both get an ass whipping.

See, the point I'm trying to make here,
to all those who missed out and ducked...
Is simply enough,
whether you like it or not.....we're all fucked!

WiredGuy · 11-02-2003, 05:49 AM

Damn... things keep getting worse over there...
WG

Seb From Holland · 11-02-2003, 05:55 AM

I feel truely sorry for the soldiers and their families. But then again, hey that's war.

Bush gets what he deserves. The sad part is that his soldiers get what Bush deserves.

rooster · 11-02-2003, 06:05 AM

we should have never went up against hitler, he killed people.

Whether you want to accept it or not, radical arabs are our generations commies.

Polls show that upward of 70% of bahgdad residents want the usa there. The problem though is the minority is a big nusiance. All it takes is some groups of dipshits with ak47s , rpgs, and a willingness to die to cause alot of trouble.

The quicker these types are taken care of the better. This shit went unchecked for 8 years under Clinton, and it needs to be taken care of, whatever the cost.

My other point, when it comes to politics, certain ones of you only care about an issue when it can possibly due harm to a political party.

You were the same people that had no problem when pol pot killed a million people after we left nam. You are the people that had no problem with hundreds of thousands of rhwandans were killed. Was it because you just dont care about ******s and gooks. Or because it didnt fit into your leftists agendas arsenal against the right.

Digipimp · 11-02-2003, 06:12 AM

Hey look we got ourselves a Republican in this thread now. Welcome rooster! You guys are so dumbass everytime you talk about anything related to terrorists it's always about how Clinton didn't do anything to stop them. Are you fucking ignorant of the facts. Clinton didn't stop them, Bush isn't really stopping them, his father didn't stop them, Reagan didn't stop them. They've all fucking caved and not done shit since our men were killed in Lebanon. We should have started fucking people up back then but we're in the pockets of the oil empires and always have been and still are. Bush, Clinton and all of them, this isn't republican or democrat all of those fuckers are worthless.

Mr.Fiction · 11-02-2003, 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by rooster
we should have never went up against hitler, he killed people.

Whether you want to accept it or not, radical arabs are our generations commies.

You think Hitler was a "commie"?

KRL · 11-02-2003, 06:39 AM

A lot of you guys weren't around during Vietnam. This is nothing in comparison to the crap we had to endure hearing about our troops getting killed week after week for 9 long years.

Some statistics:

Official Campaigns of the War in Vietnam

1. Vietnam Advisory Campaign (15 March 1962 - 07 March 1965)
2. Vietnam Defense Campaign (08 March 1965 - 24 December 1965)
3. Vietnamese Counter-offensive Campaign (25 December 1965 - 30 June 1966)
4. Vietnamese Counter-offensive Phase II (01 July 1966 - 31 May 1967)
5. Vietnamese Counter-offensive Phase III (01 June 1967 - 29 January 1968)
6. Tet Counteroffensive (30 January 1968 - 01 April 1968)
7. Vietnamese Counter-offensive Phase IV (02 April 1968 - 30 June 1968)
8. Vietnamese Counter-offensive Phase V (01 July 1968 - 01 November 1968)
9. Vietnamese Counter-offensive Phase VI (02 November 1968 - 22 February 1969)
10. Tet 69/Counteroffensive (23 February 1969 - 08 June 1969)
11. Vietnam Summer-Fall 1969 (09 June 1969 - 31 October 1969)
12. Vietnam Winter-Spring 1970 (01 November 1969 - 30 April 1970)
13. Sanctuary Counter-offensive (01 May 1970 - 30 June 1970)
14. Vietnamese Counter-offensive Phase VII (01 July 1970 - 30 June 1971)
15. Consolidation I (01 July 1971 - 30 November 1971)
16. Consolidation II (01 December 1971 - 29 March 1972)
17. Vietnam Ceasefire Campaign (30 March 1972 - 28 March 1973)

IN UNIFORM AND IN COUNTRY

* Vietnam Veterans: 9.7% of their generation.
* 9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the Vietnam era (August 5, 1964 - May 7, 1975).
* 8,744,000 GIs were on active duty during the war (August 5, 1964 - March 28, 1973).
* 3,403,100 (including 514,300 offshore) personnel served in the Southeast Asia Theater (Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, flight crews based in Thailand, and sailors in adjacent South China Sea waters). 2,594,000 personnel served within the borders of South Vietnam (January 1, 1965 - March 28, 1973).
* Another 50,000 men served in Vietnam between 1960 and 1964.
* Of the 2,6 million, between 1 - 1.6 million (40 - 60%) either fought in combat, provided close support or were at least fairly regularly exposed to enemy attack.
* 7,484 women (6,250 or 83.5% were nurses) served in Vietnam.
* Peak troop strength in Vietnam: 543,482 (April 30, 1969).

CASUALTIES

* Hostile deaths: 47,359.
* Non-hostile deaths: 10,797.
* Total: 58,202 (includes men formerly classified as MIA and Mayaguez casualties). Men who have subsequently died of wounds account for the changing total.
* 8 nurses died - 1 was KIA.
* Married men killed: 17,539.
* 61% of the men killed were 21 or younger.
* Highest state death rate: West Virginia - 84.1 men per 100,000 males serving in Vietnam (national average 58.9 men for every 100,000 males serving in Vietnam. {Averaged in 1970}).
* Wounded: 303,704 (153,329 hospitalized + 150,375 injured requiring no hospital care).
* Severely disabled: 75,000--23,214 100% disabled; 5,283 lost limbs; 1,081 sustained multiple amputations. Amputation or crippling wounds to the lower extremities were 300% higher than in WWII and 70% higher than in Korea. Multiple amputations occurred at the rate of 18.4% compared to 5.7% in WWII

* Missing in Action: 2,338.
* POWs: 766 (114 died in captivity).

ChumpChange · 11-02-2003, 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Seb From Holland
Bush gets what he deserves. The sad part is that his soldiers get what Bush deserves.

bush is safe his family isn't over there that's why he can say dumb shit like 'bring em on' like a fuckin hillbilly.

I'm sure they're downplaying alot of casulities because of the public reaction to nam'..from what i hear morale is very low and alot of sucides is going down over there

Ic3m4nZ · 11-02-2003, 08:08 AM

It is now 15 soldiers who died

LadyMischief · 11-02-2003, 08:14 AM

There was no REAL reason for Vietnam either. A lot of people have died needlessly for the US to show their "strength".

xdcdave · 11-02-2003, 08:14 AM

we should just pull out our soldiers and let those fuckers starve.. we got what we wanted, let's just keep control of the oil fields and abandon the cities.

Slick · 11-02-2003, 08:19 AM

And we're gonna send 87 Billion dollars over there for what ?????

Shit like that totally PISSES me off. We're cutting funds to our schools and communities and not thinking twice about giving them billions of our dollars to help them out when they're one of the richest oil countries in the world.

I know, I know, people are gonna jump on me and say "They didn't need our help, we shouldn't be over there". Well, after all of this time and money have been spent, I'm thinking the same fucking thing. FUCK everyone else, we'll stay in our own country and keep our money to ourselves.

Ic3m4nZ · 11-02-2003, 08:19 AM

The funniest about that watch what Bush will have to say about that he's going to something like that again.

"The dead of 15 soldiers and 21 wounded today is the proof we're winning on the terrorists in Iraq"

nemesis · 11-02-2003, 08:23 AM

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Originally posted by rooster

Polls show that upward of 70% of bahgdad residents want the usa there.

Bush told ya that?

rooster · 11-02-2003, 08:27 AM

gallup actually

directfiesta · 11-02-2003, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by rooster
gallup actually

easy to find a link then...

Digipimp · 11-02-2003, 08:53 AM

Everyone knows that polls are bullshit, whether they show one result or the other. I generally think most of the Iraqis wanted us there that's common sense you don't need a poll for that shit. But that wanting us there will wear off and is wearing off fast because we had a limited welcome just because no matter what we did for them our society and way of life is offensive to many if not most of them. They don't want us there, they only wanted us there to make the change, 6 months from now it will be even worse. Eventually we'll install not a democracy but a military authority with our US trained Iraqi military to enforce things on the people by the government that we help to keep in power.

Scootermuze · 11-02-2003, 09:01 AM

What really sucks is they were on the chopper headin for the airport to come home for a couple weeks.. Undoubtedly excited as Hell .. as well as were their families.. then bam..

All in a day's work in Bush's eyes probably..

Digipimp · 11-02-2003, 09:03 AM

Well you know we're creating a new hot spot of anger and great place for terrorists to go and kill americans while we're setting up shop to steal their oil, uh I mean we're fighting a war on terrorism.

The Truth Hurts · 11-02-2003, 09:20 AM

Quote:

The problem though is the minority is a big nusiance.

Just like home.

Roger · 11-02-2003, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by rooster
Polls show that upward of 70% of bahgdad residents want the usa there. The problem though is the minority is a big nusiance. All it takes is some groups of dipshits with ak47s , rpgs, and a willingness to die to cause alot of trouble.

Really? Show me the link, because sure as hell that's not what the polls show. Stop playing with numbers.

digi · 11-02-2003, 09:32 AM

doh, feel bad for the soldiers..

but on the other hand, americans kill iraqi civilians as well on a daily basis so it goes both ways.

Roger · 11-02-2003, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Slick
I know, I know, people are gonna jump on me and say "They didn't need our help, we shouldn't be over there". Well, after all of this time and money have been spent, I'm thinking the same fucking thing. FUCK everyone else, we'll stay in our own country and keep our money to ourselves.

That's what I've been saying all along. We should've let the Iraqis deal with Saddam, it was gonna take time but at some point they all had to unite and get rid of him. But nah, Bush wanted to get rid of him prematurely because of a fictional threat and the Iraqis haven't yet faced there past, all the while in NK a guy have 400k slaves and is openly threating the US with war and what do we do? With the money spent on war, Bush could've stopped world famine. Not to mention all the other countries who are begging and willing to accept our help. Why are they ignored?

We have a divided people on our hands and that's not good at all. It'll be like that for a long time. And of course Iraqis will blame whatever happens next on the US even after 50 years, if anything bad happens the US will be blamed for it. It'll be easy to blame the US and a good way to avoid responsibility for many of them. Personally, I don't think you help people by encouraging them to not take responsibility for there actions. Iraqis see themselves under occupation and they don't like that for many reasons and it's understandeable.

11-02-2003, 09:55 AM

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Originally posted by Roger

Really? Show me the link, because sure as hell that's not what the polls show. Stop playing with numbers.

No shit. They do a selective poll of less than 2000 people then they say 70% of Baghdad wants the U.S. there. Total bullshit.

Kingfish · 11-02-2003, 10:07 AM

[bush] Every time Americans die it just means we are wining the war. I don?t know why the news media bothers to report something like this they just like to focus on the negative. The damn media and their filters. Don?t they know we have opened new schools, and the electricity is on 30% of the time now. [/bush]

directfiesta · 11-02-2003, 10:16 AM

He should start drinking again: the world would be a safer place....

tony286 · 11-02-2003, 10:30 AM

It makes me crazy anytime people compare Saddam and Irag to Hitler and Germany. There is no comparision Saddam was a paper dictator with no real power other then in his own country. His military was a farce. Where the germans wanted to fight and die for their country, in fact if Hitler didnt decide to go into Russia the war might of ended differently.

tony286 · 11-02-2003, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Roger

That's what I've been saying all along. We should've let the Iraqis deal with Saddam, it was gonna take time but at some point they all had to unite and get rid of him. But nah, Bush wanted to get rid of him prematurely because of a fictional threat and the Iraqis haven't yet faced there past, all the while in NK a guy have 400k slaves and is openly threating the US with war and what do we do? With the money spent on war, Bush could've stopped world famine. Not to mention all the other countries who are begging and willing to accept our help. Why are they ignored?

We have a divided people on our hands and that's not good at all. It'll be like that for a long time. And of course Iraqis will blame whatever happens next on the US even after 50 years, if anything bad happens the US will be blamed for it. It'll be easy to blame the US and a good way to avoid responsibility for many of them. Personally, I don't think you help people by encouraging them to not take responsibility for there actions. Iraqis see themselves under occupation and they don't like that for many reasons and it's understandeable.

The reason we dont touch NK is because we would have to get into a real war not a military exercise.

TheFLY · 11-02-2003, 11:01 AM

We just needed some new negros to keep the American way of life intact.

Madball · 11-02-2003, 11:05 AM

13 lives lost, but now we're all save from weapons of mass destruction!

Cyborg69 · 11-02-2003, 11:43 AM

Reports from european news say its 20 ppl who died...
americans downplay all the losses

triumph · 11-02-2003, 11:45 AM

its was'nt shot down, they are still investigating it! it could of just crashed.

thePelican · 11-02-2003, 11:48 AM

i thought the war was over.
didn't GWB say in May that all
major combat was over...

what a fool!

so many lives needlessly lost...

latinasojourn · 11-02-2003, 12:24 PM

first read KRL's post---the iraqi situation and vietnam are not comparable, and yes both deals were flawed.

but do not forget this---the simple reason we are changing governments on the other side of the world is because a small bunch of camel jockeys decided to hijack some (American) airliners and crash them into USA buildings---killing lots of innocent people.

those are the primitive barbarians that STARTED it, and the USA taxpayers will change the world because of it.

America is not a perfect place, but on balance it is the light of the world.

Don't fuck with America.

ChumpChange · 11-02-2003, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by latinasojourn
but do not forget this---the simple reason we are changing governments on the other side of the world is because a small bunch of camel jockeys decided to hijack some (American) airliners and crash them into USA buildings---killing lots of innocent people.

Please tell me you're joking...you still belive that fable,fuck..

One more thing there's no such thing as the easter bunny

Kingfish · 11-02-2003, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by thePelican
i thought the war was over.
didn't GWB say in May that all
major combat was over...

what a fool!

so many lives needlessly lost...

Actually he staged a dramatic landing on an aircraft carrier and his staff made a big banner that said ?Mission Accomplished?. He has since tried to cowardly blame the sailors for the banner.

11-02-2003, 04:03 AM	#1
Digipimp BP4L OT DL Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BP4L Swap Meet Posts: 13,481	Helicopter shot down in Iraq 13 US Soliders dead now. The totals have been updated they now say 13 dead and 20 injured. It continues to get ulgier over there. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...d=540&ncid=716 __________________ Still Hosting at Webair and You Should Be Too

11-02-2003, 04:12 AM	#3
Digipimp BP4L OT DL Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BP4L Swap Meet Posts: 13,481	Shit works on a different time table over there. Those motherfuckers don't move fast they take their time, just because they haven't killed a lot of people yet didn't mean they weren't going to. It just takes them time to get together what they want to do and it's starting to hit. It's only going to get better because it will force our troops to get even more aggressive only pissing the average guy off even more. And no one else is going to want to put their troops in the middle of this shit, because of Bush all those assclowns are just going to sit back and watch us take the heat. __________________ Still Hosting at Webair and You Should Be Too

11-02-2003, 04:14 AM	#5
SYNIKAL Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,795	Horrible for the attack.. Can you imagine what US will do now because of it though? They are screwed.... (IMHO) __________________ ...........

11-02-2003, 05:10 AM	#12
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11-02-2003, 05:49 AM	#16
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11-02-2003, 04:05 AM	#2
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	Local villagers displayed blackened pieces of wreckage to arriving reporters, and in nearby Fallujah townspeople celebrated on the streets. "This was a new lesson from the resistance, a lesson to the greedy aggressors," said one Iraqi, who wouldn't give his name. "They'll never be safe until they get out of our country," he said of the Americans.

11-02-2003, 04:12 AM	#4
who So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ICQ #23642053 Posts: 19,593	They'll NEVER leave, cant' you people realise that? Maybe you can, but those poor soldiers sure as hell don't . If ever they try to leave.. it's going to INCREASE the number of attacks on them.. because the spirits of the iraqis will go through the roof. Besides, they need to keep the troops there for then they attack Syria.

11-02-2003, 04:19 AM	#6
who So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ICQ #23642053 Posts: 19,593	The US is sort of powerless at the moment... They can't do anything publicly against the iraquis (on a large scale), but I would certainly bet that there'll be plenty of smoking US cartridges tinkling on the streets where that chopper went down. And why the hell not..

11-02-2003, 05:05 AM	#11
Paul Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 2,637	Its only going to get worse

11-02-2003, 05:35 AM	#15
arkenon Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: planet fuggin earth Posts: 24	Too late to pull out now.... too late to come in hard... We could withdraw our troops and apologize for the trouble, or we could send in the Air Force to blow up their yard. But now either way we choose, and get the scales tipping... there is too much pride at stake, so we both get an ass whipping. See, the point I'm trying to make here, to all those who missed out and ducked... Is simply enough, whether you like it or not.....we're all fucked!

11-02-2003, 05:55 AM	#17
Seb From Holland Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,747	I feel truely sorry for the soldiers and their families. But then again, hey that's war. Bush gets what he deserves. The sad part is that his soldiers get what Bush deserves.

11-02-2003, 06:05 AM	#18
rooster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,384	we should have never went up against hitler, he killed people. Whether you want to accept it or not, radical arabs are our generations commies. Polls show that upward of 70% of bahgdad residents want the usa there. The problem though is the minority is a big nusiance. All it takes is some groups of dipshits with ak47s , rpgs, and a willingness to die to cause alot of trouble. The quicker these types are taken care of the better. This shit went unchecked for 8 years under Clinton, and it needs to be taken care of, whatever the cost. My other point, when it comes to politics, certain ones of you only care about an issue when it can possibly due harm to a political party. You were the same people that had no problem when pol pot killed a million people after we left nam. You are the people that had no problem with hundreds of thousands of rhwandans were killed. Was it because you just dont care about ******s and gooks. Or because it didnt fit into your leftists agendas arsenal against the right.

11-02-2003, 06:12 AM	#19
Digipimp BP4L OT DL Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BP4L Swap Meet Posts: 13,481	Hey look we got ourselves a Republican in this thread now. Welcome rooster! You guys are so dumbass everytime you talk about anything related to terrorists it's always about how Clinton didn't do anything to stop them. Are you fucking ignorant of the facts. Clinton didn't stop them, Bush isn't really stopping them, his father didn't stop them, Reagan didn't stop them. They've all fucking caved and not done shit since our men were killed in Lebanon. We should have started fucking people up back then but we're in the pockets of the oil empires and always have been and still are. Bush, Clinton and all of them, this isn't republican or democrat all of those fuckers are worthless. __________________ Still Hosting at Webair and You Should Be Too

11-02-2003, 06:39 AM	#21
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	A lot of you guys weren't around during Vietnam. This is nothing in comparison to the crap we had to endure hearing about our troops getting killed week after week for 9 long years. Some statistics: Official Campaigns of the War in Vietnam 1. Vietnam Advisory Campaign (15 March 1962 - 07 March 1965) 2. Vietnam Defense Campaign (08 March 1965 - 24 December 1965) 3. Vietnamese Counter-offensive Campaign (25 December 1965 - 30 June 1966) 4. Vietnamese Counter-offensive Phase II (01 July 1966 - 31 May 1967) 5. Vietnamese Counter-offensive Phase III (01 June 1967 - 29 January 1968) 6. Tet Counteroffensive (30 January 1968 - 01 April 1968) 7. Vietnamese Counter-offensive Phase IV (02 April 1968 - 30 June 1968) 8. Vietnamese Counter-offensive Phase V (01 July 1968 - 01 November 1968) 9. Vietnamese Counter-offensive Phase VI (02 November 1968 - 22 February 1969) 10. Tet 69/Counteroffensive (23 February 1969 - 08 June 1969) 11. Vietnam Summer-Fall 1969 (09 June 1969 - 31 October 1969) 12. Vietnam Winter-Spring 1970 (01 November 1969 - 30 April 1970) 13. Sanctuary Counter-offensive (01 May 1970 - 30 June 1970) 14. Vietnamese Counter-offensive Phase VII (01 July 1970 - 30 June 1971) 15. Consolidation I (01 July 1971 - 30 November 1971) 16. Consolidation II (01 December 1971 - 29 March 1972) 17. Vietnam Ceasefire Campaign (30 March 1972 - 28 March 1973) IN UNIFORM AND IN COUNTRY * Vietnam Veterans: 9.7% of their generation. * 9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the Vietnam era (August 5, 1964 - May 7, 1975). * 8,744,000 GIs were on active duty during the war (August 5, 1964 - March 28, 1973). * 3,403,100 (including 514,300 offshore) personnel served in the Southeast Asia Theater (Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, flight crews based in Thailand, and sailors in adjacent South China Sea waters). 2,594,000 personnel served within the borders of South Vietnam (January 1, 1965 - March 28, 1973). * Another 50,000 men served in Vietnam between 1960 and 1964. * Of the 2,6 million, between 1 - 1.6 million (40 - 60%) either fought in combat, provided close support or were at least fairly regularly exposed to enemy attack. * 7,484 women (6,250 or 83.5% were nurses) served in Vietnam. * Peak troop strength in Vietnam: 543,482 (April 30, 1969). CASUALTIES * Hostile deaths: 47,359. * Non-hostile deaths: 10,797. * Total: 58,202 (includes men formerly classified as MIA and Mayaguez casualties). Men who have subsequently died of wounds account for the changing total. * 8 nurses died - 1 was KIA. * Married men killed: 17,539. * 61% of the men killed were 21 or younger. * Highest state death rate: West Virginia - 84.1 men per 100,000 males serving in Vietnam (national average 58.9 men for every 100,000 males serving in Vietnam. {Averaged in 1970}). * Wounded: 303,704 (153,329 hospitalized + 150,375 injured requiring no hospital care). * Severely disabled: 75,000--23,214 100% disabled; 5,283 lost limbs; 1,081 sustained multiple amputations. Amputation or crippling wounds to the lower extremities were 300% higher than in WWII and 70% higher than in Korea. Multiple amputations occurred at the rate of 18.4% compared to 5.7% in WWII * Missing in Action: 2,338. * POWs: 766 (114 died in captivity). __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

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Ic3m4nZ Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Montreal! Posts: 6,285	It is now 15 soldiers who died

11-02-2003, 08:14 AM	#24
LadyMischief Orgasms N Such! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 18,135	There was no REAL reason for Vietnam either. A lot of people have died needlessly for the US to show their "strength". __________________ ICQ 3522039 Content Manager - orgasm.com [email protected]

11-02-2003, 08:14 AM	#25
xdcdave Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: North East Posts: 1,911	we should just pull out our soldiers and let those fuckers starve.. we got what we wanted, let's just keep control of the oil fields and abandon the cities. __________________

11-02-2003, 08:19 AM	#26
Slick Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Houghton, MI Posts: 7,338	And we're gonna send 87 Billion dollars over there for what ????? Shit like that totally PISSES me off. We're cutting funds to our schools and communities and not thinking twice about giving them billions of our dollars to help them out when they're one of the richest oil countries in the world. I know, I know, people are gonna jump on me and say "They didn't need our help, we shouldn't be over there". Well, after all of this time and money have been spent, I'm thinking the same fucking thing. FUCK everyone else, we'll stay in our own country and keep our money to ourselves.

11-02-2003, 08:27 AM	#29
rooster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,384	gallup actually

11-02-2003, 08:53 AM	#31
Digipimp BP4L OT DL Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BP4L Swap Meet Posts: 13,481	Everyone knows that polls are bullshit, whether they show one result or the other. I generally think most of the Iraqis wanted us there that's common sense you don't need a poll for that shit. But that wanting us there will wear off and is wearing off fast because we had a limited welcome just because no matter what we did for them our society and way of life is offensive to many if not most of them. They don't want us there, they only wanted us there to make the change, 6 months from now it will be even worse. Eventually we'll install not a democracy but a military authority with our US trained Iraqi military to enforce things on the people by the government that we help to keep in power. __________________ Still Hosting at Webair and You Should Be Too

11-02-2003, 09:01 AM	#32
Scootermuze Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 4,513	What really sucks is they were on the chopper headin for the airport to come home for a couple weeks.. Undoubtedly excited as Hell .. as well as were their families.. then bam.. All in a day's work in Bush's eyes probably..

11-02-2003, 09:03 AM	#33
Digipimp BP4L OT DL Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BP4L Swap Meet Posts: 13,481	Well you know we're creating a new hot spot of anger and great place for terrorists to go and kill americans while we're setting up shop to steal their oil, uh I mean we're fighting a war on terrorism. __________________ Still Hosting at Webair and You Should Be Too

11-02-2003, 09:32 AM	#36
digi Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ON, Canada Posts: 1,314	doh, feel bad for the soldiers.. but on the other hand, americans kill iraqi civilians as well on a daily basis so it goes both ways.

11-02-2003, 10:07 AM	#39
Kingfish Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 668	[bush] Every time Americans die it just means we are wining the war. I don?t know why the news media bothers to report something like this they just like to focus on the negative. The damn media and their filters. Don?t they know we have opened new schools, and the electricity is on 30% of the time now. [/bush]

11-02-2003, 10:16 AM	#40
directfiesta Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 29,677	He should start drinking again: the world would be a safer place.... __________________ I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT ! But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

11-02-2003, 10:30 AM	#41
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	It makes me crazy anytime people compare Saddam and Irag to Hitler and Germany. There is no comparision Saddam was a paper dictator with no real power other then in his own country. His military was a farce. Where the germans wanted to fight and die for their country, in fact if Hitler didnt decide to go into Russia the war might of ended differently.

11-02-2003, 11:01 AM	#43
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	We just needed some new negros to keep the American way of life intact.

11-02-2003, 11:05 AM	#44
Madball Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 748	13 lives lost, but now we're all save from weapons of mass destruction! __________________ <a href="http://www.homepageofthedead.com"><img src="http://board.gofuckyourself.com/images/globill_88x31.gif"></a>

11-02-2003, 11:43 AM	#45
Cyborg69 So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Canada T.O. Posts: 932	Reports from european news say its 20 ppl who died... americans downplay all the losses

11-02-2003, 11:45 AM	#46
triumph Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,433	its was'nt shot down, they are still investigating it! it could of just crashed.

11-02-2003, 11:48 AM	#47
thePelican Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: theAtlanticOcean Posts: 663	i thought the war was over. didn't GWB say in May that all major combat was over... what a fool! so many lives needlessly lost...

11-02-2003, 12:24 PM	#48
latinasojourn Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,191	first read KRL's post---the iraqi situation and vietnam are not comparable, and yes both deals were flawed. but do not forget this---the simple reason we are changing governments on the other side of the world is because a small bunch of camel jockeys decided to hijack some (American) airliners and crash them into USA buildings---killing lots of innocent people. those are the primitive barbarians that STARTED it, and the USA taxpayers will change the world because of it. America is not a perfect place, but on balance it is the light of the world. Don't fuck with America.