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notime · 10-30-2003, 04:17 PM

some links i found maybe worth checking for people into this diggin':

In 1990, King left the Institute and Ardis Hanson became the new library director. She continued the push to automate the library, adding four networked PCs and additonal CD-ROM titles. She added two online services, Grateful Med and Policy Information Exchange Online. In 1991, The Institute Library became the first USF Library to have internet access with its gopher. In 1992, it became the first USF Library to initiate Mosaic and have a homepage. Hanson began an electronic selective dissemination program, the "loop", covering grants information, legislative news, research news, table of contents of special topic journals, and routing of the first electronic psychology journal, Psycoloquy. Working with the Computer Support Center, Hanson was able to mount a web-based search engine to search the Library's holdings via Netscape and a streaming video database.

She obtained a grant from the Association of Mental Health Librarians to fund a three-part training videotape for librarians working with special populations and a twelve-part, bilingual audiotape series on "Issues in Aging and Mental Health". She worked with other USF Librarians as part of the USF Libraries Virtual Library Implementation Team in the design of the USF Libraries Virtual Library. Most recently she has been involved as a member of a development team to create Globalization Research data protal for the four university collaborative, Globalization Research network (University of South Florida, University of Hawai'i'-Manoa, The George Washington University, and the University of California - Los Angeles).

source: http://www.fmhi.usf.edu/library/archive/chronology.html

http://www.earthweb-connect.com/history.htm

video & audio streams 1992: http://www-itg.lbl.gov/mbone/ & http://www3.baylor.edu/~Sharon_P_Joh...inthistory.htm

sound on webpages 1991-1993: http://www3.baylor.edu/~Sharon_P_Joh...inthistory.htm

early 1992 video multicasting: http://www-itg.lbl.gov/mbone/Macedonia.html

audio over the ARPAnet as early as 1973: http://www-itg.lbl.gov/mbone/Macedonia.html

In March 1993 real-time audio, video, and other MBone data feeds: http://www-itg.lbl.gov/mbone/Macedonia.html

First IETF Internet Audiocast," ACM SIGComm Computer Communications Review, July 1992: http://www-itg.lbl.gov/mbone/Macedonia.html

books/papers/etc.:
Baker, S., "Multicasting for Sound and Video," Unix Review, Feb. 1994, pp. 23-29.
Casner, S., and S. Deering, "First IETF Internet Audiocast," ACM SIGComm Computer Communications Review, July 1992, pp. 92-97
Deering, S., "MBone: The Multicast Backbone," CERFnet Seminar, Mar. 3, 1993
H. Schulzrinne and S. Casner, "RTP: A Transport Protocol for Real-Time Applications," Internet Engineering Task Force Draft, Oct. 20, 1993
J. Moy, "Multicast Extensions to OSPF," Internet Engineering Task Force Draft, July 1993
S. Deering, "Host Extensions for IP Multicasting," Request For Comment 1112, Aug. 1989
D.E. Comer, Internetworking with TCP/IP, Vol. 1, Prentice Hall, Englewood Cliffs, N.J., 1991.
Casner, " Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) on the Multicast Backbone," May 6, 1993
ST-II Network Working Group, "Experimental Internet Stream Protocol", RFC 1190, 1990.
[Wall 1980] D. Wall, "Mechanisms for Broadcast and Selective Broadcast," PhD dissertation, Stanford U., June 1980.
C. Weinstein, J. Forgie, ``Experience with speech communication in packet networks'', IEEE JSAC, vol. 1, no. 6, pp. 963-980, Dec. 1983.
Didier Le Gall. MPEG: A video compression standard for multimedia applications. Communications of the ACM, vol. 34(no. 4), April 1991.

videoconferencing 1991: http://www.itg.lbl.gov/ImgLib/COLLEC.../96703224.html

digital continuous-media (motion video, audio) 1990: ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc1193.txt

http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~jain/refs/mul_refs.htm

http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?i...les#references
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execellent stuff here (read it well)
http://myhome.hanafos.com/~soonjp/vchx.html
[2] Randy Cole, "PVP - A Packet Video Protocol", Internal Document, USC/ISI, July 1981.
"The Packet Video Protocol (PVP) is a set of extensions to the Network Voice Protocol (NVP-II) and consists mostly of a data protocol for transmission of video data. No specific changes to the NVP-II protocol are necessary for the PVP."
ftp://ftp.isi.edu/isi-pubs/rr-81-90.pdf
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http://www.bbn.com/about/index.html# (click on timeline, then networking, then 1980: 1989 video&audio over the net for the military) or see http://www.bbn.com/timeline/80.html

http://video.ee.ntu.edu.tw/~lgchen/proton2.pdf

http://www.ub.utwente.nl/webdocs/to/1/t0000014.pdf

http://www.ifi.uio.no/~ftp/publicati...tml/node3.html

http://iml.jou.ufl.edu/carlson/1980s.shtml

http://www.cs.sfu.ca/CourseCentral/3...ap1/Chap1.html

http://www.hpl.hp.com/hpjournal/dtj/...l5num2art7.pdf

http://www.iicm.edu/thesis/bmarschall.pdf

FightThisPatent · 10-30-2003, 07:21 PM

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Originally posted by notime
some links i found maybe worth checking for people into this diggin':

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Great digging!

Keep in mind that prior art needs to be BEFORE 1990.

I'll sifting through these.

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ltl · 10-30-2003, 07:43 PM

"Perhaps in the next few months you will via FTP upload your messages and they will be reproduced at your station as video and voice. Today, it is possible to include graphics and digitized voice, therefore, it is only natural to include video"

from "Beginners Guide to Amateur Radio TCP/IP" - February 19, 1990

http://www.totse.com/en/media/radio_...a/b-tcpip.html

may be relevant - may also be worth contacting some of these radio guys and finding out what they were experimenting with back then.

Hope that helps...

Zorgman · 10-30-2003, 07:44 PM

If they have had the patent since 1990, why is it just NOW that they tell us about it. I didn't know it was a patent and im sure others didn't either. So why have they let us use it knowing that it's braking their patent. Thats the part I don't understand.

Anyone willing to clear that up for me?

ltl · 10-30-2003, 07:58 PM

Zorgman - when you have a patent you are not obligated to enforce the patent. They are quite within their rights to sit on it and do nothing until they feel like enforcing. Just like they can choose who they go after and who they don't - e.g. avoid Microsoft and come after people round here intsead.

In actual fact as I understand it Acacia acquired the patent a few years ago - they haven't had it since 1991 anyway...

notime · 10-30-2003, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zorgman
If they have had the patent since 1990, why is it just NOW that they tell us about it. I didn't know it was a patent and im sure others didn't either. So why have they let us use it knowing that it's braking their patent. Thats the part I don't understand.

Anyone willing to clear that up for me?

acacia bought a company that had that patent "lying around" since 1991. Since people can oppose to this patent within 10 years, acacia cunningly waited out this period probably so they would stand a better change to hold it up. They are smart allright.

notime · 10-31-2003, 12:08 AM

what does Apple, microsoft, real, isp's, the government and others have to say about this issue. Audio & video = 70% of the internet i guess; this is endangering the common goals for the internet and the freedom of speech & opinions (free speech only if you signed up with acacia ?)
These above companies/bodies have encouraged the world to start doing audio/video and now the shit hits the fan and they are all quiet

Let Microsoft buy acacia and were homefree ( go bill !) if they make it a "public domain" patent build into their software or something.

Does every kazaa user have to pay 1500,- too?

It feels unjust, unfair, dishonest, demotivating.

FightThisPatent · 10-31-2003, 01:51 PM

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10-30-2003, 04:17 PM	#1
notime Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: cyberspace Posts: 8,022	4 acacia info diggers some links i found maybe worth checking for people into this diggin': In 1990, King left the Institute and Ardis Hanson became the new library director. She continued the push to automate the library, adding four networked PCs and additonal CD-ROM titles. She added two online services, Grateful Med and Policy Information Exchange Online. In 1991, The Institute Library became the first USF Library to have internet access with its gopher. In 1992, it became the first USF Library to initiate Mosaic and have a homepage. Hanson began an electronic selective dissemination program, the "loop", covering grants information, legislative news, research news, table of contents of special topic journals, and routing of the first electronic psychology journal, Psycoloquy. Working with the Computer Support Center, Hanson was able to mount a web-based search engine to search the Library's holdings via Netscape and a streaming video database. She obtained a grant from the Association of Mental Health Librarians to fund a three-part training videotape for librarians working with special populations and a twelve-part, bilingual audiotape series on "Issues in Aging and Mental Health". She worked with other USF Librarians as part of the USF Libraries Virtual Library Implementation Team in the design of the USF Libraries Virtual Library. Most recently she has been involved as a member of a development team to create Globalization Research data protal for the four university collaborative, Globalization Research network (University of South Florida, University of Hawai'i'-Manoa, The George Washington University, and the University of California - Los Angeles). source: http://www.fmhi.usf.edu/library/archive/chronology.html http://www.earthweb-connect.com/history.htm video & audio streams 1992: http://www-itg.lbl.gov/mbone/ & http://www3.baylor.edu/~Sharon_P_Joh...inthistory.htm sound on webpages 1991-1993: http://www3.baylor.edu/~Sharon_P_Joh...inthistory.htm early 1992 video multicasting: http://www-itg.lbl.gov/mbone/Macedonia.html audio over the ARPAnet as early as 1973: http://www-itg.lbl.gov/mbone/Macedonia.html In March 1993 real-time audio, video, and other MBone data feeds: http://www-itg.lbl.gov/mbone/Macedonia.html First IETF Internet Audiocast," ACM SIGComm Computer Communications Review, July 1992: http://www-itg.lbl.gov/mbone/Macedonia.html books/papers/etc.: Baker, S., "Multicasting for Sound and Video," Unix Review, Feb. 1994, pp. 23-29. Casner, S., and S. Deering, "First IETF Internet Audiocast," ACM SIGComm Computer Communications Review, July 1992, pp. 92-97 Deering, S., "MBone: The Multicast Backbone," CERFnet Seminar, Mar. 3, 1993 H. Schulzrinne and S. Casner, "RTP: A Transport Protocol for Real-Time Applications," Internet Engineering Task Force Draft, Oct. 20, 1993 J. Moy, "Multicast Extensions to OSPF," Internet Engineering Task Force Draft, July 1993 S. Deering, "Host Extensions for IP Multicasting," Request For Comment 1112, Aug. 1989 D.E. Comer, Internetworking with TCP/IP, Vol. 1, Prentice Hall, Englewood Cliffs, N.J., 1991. Casner, " Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) on the Multicast Backbone," May 6, 1993 ST-II Network Working Group, "Experimental Internet Stream Protocol", RFC 1190, 1990. [Wall 1980] D. Wall, "Mechanisms for Broadcast and Selective Broadcast," PhD dissertation, Stanford U., June 1980. C. Weinstein, J. Forgie, ``Experience with speech communication in packet networks'', IEEE JSAC, vol. 1, no. 6, pp. 963-980, Dec. 1983. Didier Le Gall. MPEG: A video compression standard for multimedia applications. Communications of the ACM, vol. 34(no. 4), April 1991. videoconferencing 1991: http://www.itg.lbl.gov/ImgLib/COLLEC.../96703224.html digital continuous-media (motion video, audio) 1990: ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc1193.txt http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~jain/refs/mul_refs.htm http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?i...les#references ---------------------------------------------------- execellent stuff here (read it well) http://myhome.hanafos.com/~soonjp/vchx.html [2] Randy Cole, "PVP - A Packet Video Protocol", Internal Document, USC/ISI, July 1981. "The Packet Video Protocol (PVP) is a set of extensions to the Network Voice Protocol (NVP-II) and consists mostly of a data protocol for transmission of video data. No specific changes to the NVP-II protocol are necessary for the PVP." ftp://ftp.isi.edu/isi-pubs/rr-81-90.pdf ------------------- http://www.bbn.com/about/index.html# (click on timeline, then networking, then 1980: 1989 video&audio over the net for the military) or see http://www.bbn.com/timeline/80.html http://video.ee.ntu.edu.tw/~lgchen/proton2.pdf http://www.ub.utwente.nl/webdocs/to/1/t0000014.pdf http://www.ifi.uio.no/~ftp/publicati...tml/node3.html http://iml.jou.ufl.edu/carlson/1980s.shtml http://www.cs.sfu.ca/CourseCentral/3...ap1/Chap1.html http://www.hpl.hp.com/hpjournal/dtj/...l5num2art7.pdf http://www.iicm.edu/thesis/bmarschall.pdf

10-30-2003, 07:44 PM	#4
Zorgman Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 6,103	If they have had the patent since 1990, why is it just NOW that they tell us about it. I didn't know it was a patent and im sure others didn't either. So why have they let us use it knowing that it's braking their patent. Thats the part I don't understand. Anyone willing to clear that up for me? __________________ --- Last edited by Zorgman; 10-30-2003 at 07:46 PM..

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10-30-2003, 07:43 PM	#3
ltl Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 34	"Perhaps in the next few months you will via FTP upload your messages and they will be reproduced at your station as video and voice. Today, it is possible to include graphics and digitized voice, therefore, it is only natural to include video" from "Beginners Guide to Amateur Radio TCP/IP" - February 19, 1990 http://www.totse.com/en/media/radio_...a/b-tcpip.html may be relevant - may also be worth contacting some of these radio guys and finding out what they were experimenting with back then. Hope that helps...

10-30-2003, 07:58 PM	#5
ltl Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 34	Zorgman - when you have a patent you are not obligated to enforce the patent. They are quite within their rights to sit on it and do nothing until they feel like enforcing. Just like they can choose who they go after and who they don't - e.g. avoid Microsoft and come after people round here intsead. In actual fact as I understand it Acacia acquired the patent a few years ago - they haven't had it since 1991 anyway...

10-31-2003, 12:08 AM	#7
notime Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: cyberspace Posts: 8,022	what does Apple, microsoft, real, isp's, the government and others have to say about this issue. Audio & video = 70% of the internet i guess; this is endangering the common goals for the internet and the freedom of speech & opinions (free speech only if you signed up with acacia ?) These above companies/bodies have encouraged the world to start doing audio/video and now the shit hits the fan and they are all quiet Let Microsoft buy acacia and were homefree ( go bill !) if they make it a "public domain" patent build into their software or something. Does every kazaa user have to pay 1500,- too? It feels unjust, unfair, dishonest, demotivating.