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basschick · 10-29-2003, 06:35 AM

jaYMan and lil2rick4u both have proof that matrix's webmaster database was used with acacia. i hope that they and anyone else with this kind of proof contact matrix content today - as norman has asked. if it's true that our names were stolen, help him have some proof to go to the law!

nofx · 10-29-2003, 06:37 AM

stolen? they just handed their list over....

Veterans Day · 10-29-2003, 06:37 AM

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Originally posted by nofx
stolen? they just handed their list over....

nofx · 10-29-2003, 06:39 AM

well what kind of lax security do they have if their customer database could be stolen?

Kevin2 · 10-29-2003, 06:44 AM

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Originally posted by nofx
well what kind of lax security do they have if their customer database could be stolen?

Exactly! and we should believe it was stolen?

KRL · 10-29-2003, 06:52 AM

And so the saga continues.

Let me get this straight, we have to call Norman?

How about Norman just read the posts here.

And if he hasn't read every post here where people have declared the info on their Acacia notice matches the info precisely on their Matrix info then what else needs to be said.

That says it all doesn't it?

skillfull · 10-29-2003, 06:59 AM

stolen ???
haha that a motherfucking joke!

basschick · 10-29-2003, 07:27 AM

why is it a joke? you can't know for sure it was stolen unless you were there and i don't know shit about his security however if he is willing to go to law enforcement, that will go a loooooong way to convincing a lot of us that he did not deliberately give out info.

in the meantime, norman, it would be very honorable to let your customers know that there *might* be a leak with their info, and that proper steps are being taken to determine if there was a theft. i think the law says you have to do that anyway. anyone know for sure?

Phone: (818) 887-8960 | Email: [email protected]

cosis · 10-29-2003, 07:30 AM

Should be his job to prove it

nofx · 10-29-2003, 07:30 AM

why do you stick up for them?

Veterans Day · 10-29-2003, 07:31 AM

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Originally posted by nofx
why do you stick up for them?

so pathetically obvious

LadyMischief · 10-29-2003, 07:33 AM

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Originally posted by cosis
Should be his job to prove it

How? Without people to back him up and say yes, my info came from your database and nowhere else? Certainly nobody has anything to LOSE at this point by helping Norman out? There's FUCK ALL to gain by being a big lynch mob full of sheep ready to pillage and burn. Where is the individual thinking and reasoning here?

Yes, people are pissed off, so why the hell not make a DIFFERENCE and maybe help the guy out. If he's lying at least you know you tried to HELP instead of sitting around flapping your arms as the house burned down around you.

And think about this.. if he is really lying, he would be making himself to be REALLY EXTREMELY stupid by asking for help to prove it.. Wouldn't one assume he would only ask if he intended to prosecute? So what's everyone waiting for? Show your wrath to the assholes that started all this in the first place.

LadyMischief · 10-29-2003, 07:35 AM

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Originally posted by nofx
why do you stick up for them?

Why do you not use your own noggin instead of jumping on the bandwagon and actually PROVE anything? Sure, people have proof their info was leaked through Matrix's database.

Prove anything else? At this point it's all conjecture, but I don't see ANYONE working to prove much SOLID FACTS. Everyone is pretty much convinced Matrix's database was used, but why the FUCK are people so willing to point fingers, yell, and leave it at that is what I would like to know!?

cosis · 10-29-2003, 07:38 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

Why do you not use your own noggin instead of jumping on the bandwagon and actually PROVE anything? Sure, people have proof their info was leaked through Matrix's database.

Prove anything else? At this point it's all conjecture, but I don't see ANYONE working to prove much SOLID FACTS. Everyone is pretty much convinced Matrix's database was used, but why the FUCK are people so willing to point fingers, yell, and leave it at that is what I would like to know!?

Take a pill

JFPdude · 10-29-2003, 07:39 AM

At this point Norman should be securing his servers and calling in a qualified computer security company.

Only they can prove if a databases was accessed illegally from his servers.

Getting names of people off a message board will not hold up in court. Even if data files such as logs were deleted companies such as http://ontrack.com can retreive those log files and prove or disprove if there was a security breach.

AS big of a company as Norman has I am sure he has legal council that has recommended this to him already. We should stop posting information here that can be used by Acacia.

Do I believe Norman did this? NO.
Do I believe his list is part of the list being mailed? Yes
Do I believe he could have been hacked? Of Course and if you believe you can't be then you really need to read up about computer security more.

With the people that have already spoken out I don't believe there is much more of a question that certain legal steps should be taken at this point.

Step 1 Get a computer security company to do a full audit of the systems.

Step 2 Depending on what the outcome of the security companies report findings are ... take action legally.

Thats my

but hey what do I know.

Hank_Heartland · 10-29-2003, 07:41 AM

This is beginning to sound like what always happens at Ibill, too fuckin funny. I got a letter from them for a site that is not even up on info I gave Matrix just too look at their stuff

Veterans Day · 10-29-2003, 07:42 AM

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Originally posted by cosis

Take a pill

AMEN

extreme · 10-29-2003, 07:43 AM

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Originally posted by cosis
Should be his job to prove it

Guilty until proven innocent? ;)

.. ah well, maybe its as proved as it can be proved. I've read most of the threads and from the information inside them it seems very likely their database was used.

If it was given over - ah well, that just sucks.

If it was stolen and given over - ah well, that sucks too. not as bad as nr#1 for matrix rep. tough? maybe not far from ..

.. seems odd that acacia would buy some lists that wasn't obtained legaly though?

10-29-2003, 07:44 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

Why do you not use your own noggin instead of jumping on the bandwagon and actually PROVE anything? Sure, people have proof their info was leaked through Matrix's database.

Prove anything else? At this point it's all conjecture, but I don't see ANYONE working to prove much SOLID FACTS. Everyone is pretty much convinced Matrix's database was used, but why the FUCK are people so willing to point fingers, yell, and leave it at that is what I would like to know!?

You must be joking. What else do you need to see in order to take something as a proof? There's been numerous people who have posted undeniable facts stating that it's been Matrix who leaked the info, stolen list or not.

Besides: Stolen list? Get off the crack.

Who else would I be asking for a comprehensive listing of webmasters (who are all suspects to violate the patents that I hold) than the content provider with the most webmasters customers slash webmaster informations? It simply all makes too much sense for me.

10-29-2003, 07:47 AM

Can you imagine how badly Acacia would fuck themselves if they really illegally stole the webmaster infos from Matrix?

They could pack their backpack and live in a trailer park if security specialists found that out. Do you really think they are that stupid?

10-29-2003, 07:48 AM

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PUT IT DOWN!

Porndealer · 10-29-2003, 07:49 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

How? Without people to back him up and say yes, my info came from your database and nowhere else? Certainly nobody has anything to LOSE at this point by helping Norman out? There's FUCK ALL to gain by being a big lynch mob full of sheep ready to pillage and burn. Where is the individual thinking and reasoning here?

Yes, people are pissed off, so why the hell not make a DIFFERENCE and maybe help the guy out. If he's lying at least you know you tried to HELP instead of sitting around flapping your arms as the house burned down around you.

And think about this.. if he is really lying, he would be making himself to be REALLY EXTREMELY stupid by asking for help to prove it.. Wouldn't one assume he would only ask if he intended to prosecute? So what's everyone waiting for? Show your wrath to the assholes that started all this in the first place.

Did you forget this is GFY? The home of mindless and meaningless posts, more sheep than New Zealand and less sence than Micheal Jackson.

10-29-2003, 07:50 AM

And why are we pointing our dirty fingers? Well, because most of us have gotten letter in the mail, threatening us to be sued.

Would you not try to find the responsible one who was kind enough to share your personal information with those scumbags?

basschick · 10-29-2003, 07:50 AM

yes, he should be securing his database, and he should report to law enforcement or else he should come clean and admit he caved. since he says he'd be willing to go to law enforcement, what the fuck? he can't just call them and have them take his word. they'll want some of this proof, too.

nofx · 10-29-2003, 07:52 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

Why do you not use your own noggin instead of jumping on the bandwagon and actually PROVE anything? Sure, people have proof their info was leaked through Matrix's database.

Prove anything else? At this point it's all conjecture, but I don't see ANYONE working to prove much SOLID FACTS. Everyone is pretty much convinced Matrix's database was used, but why the FUCK are people so willing to point fingers, yell, and leave it at that is what I would like to know!?

I was just asking her why she felt she needed to stick up for matrix content so much as seen in various posts/threads.

I am using my noggin, I've been reading all of these threads about matrix content and acacia letters and it's pretty obvious that matrix is to blame and some other fishy stuff happened behind the scenes.

Why do you defend for them so much?

crockett · 10-29-2003, 07:56 AM

LadyMischief and basschick..

The deck is stacked aginst Matrix.. personally I don't like to bash a company on these boards, specially when I'm fairly new to this industry and don't have a lot of connections. But their is no doubt that Matrix's list was used.. I know for a fact 100%, that my info came from that list and I never even bought a thing from them.. just signed up to view the online store.

Now I realise they are dealing with fires over there and all but IMHO it's Matrix's duty to respond to us on how or why our names and contact info are in the hands of Acacia. Why has he not responded sense Fri? IMO that dose not look good, I know for damn sure if I was being accused of something that could cause my business this much harm.. I would be sitting at Kinko's 24-7( if I couldn't use my own PC) replying to these posts, in an effort to assure my contacts that it was not me.

Now I'm not jummping on the band wagon and going to say that Matrix handed my name over.. I'll give them the binfet of doubt... But with all this silence from Matrix it leads me to belive that they did infact hand the list over.

I think your defense of them is nobel , any company would love to have people stick up for them in a time of need. However there becomes a point in time when that company needs to stand up for it's self.

basschick · 10-29-2003, 07:58 AM

i am not defending matrix - i also believe their database was used. HOW it was gotten i don't know, and if you were honest, you don't know. you know what you believe is likely, but take that to court and it will be thrown out. take proof of anything to court and it will end differently.

i have never spoken through email, icq or phone with anyone at matrix. i don't know 'em.

i WOULD like it if their database was stolen. even if it's only a small chance, if it was think of how acacia would look at that point having to prove they didn't know their info was stolen!

BVF · 10-29-2003, 07:59 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

And think about this.. if he is really lying, he would be making himself to be REALLY EXTREMELY stupid by asking for help to prove it..

Remember Gary Hart? He yapped on and on about how he wasn't fucking around and asked the press to PROVE he was fucking around...then came the pics of him on the yacht with the woman...

KRL · 10-29-2003, 08:00 AM

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Originally posted by Equinox
Can you imagine how badly Acacia would fuck themselves if they really illegally stole the webmaster infos from Matrix?

They could pack their backpack and live in a trailer park if security specialists found that out. Do you really think they are that stupid?

It is far fetched. But from the looks of things, like what Brad uncovered today, we're dealing with some fairly unscrupulous stock promoters here, who are intent on making millions from this and to rape us.

I've seen people do unbelievably stupid things over the years just in the pursuit of the almighty dollar and doing any which way they can.

KRL · 10-29-2003, 08:01 AM

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Originally posted by BVF

Remember Gary Hart? He yapped on and on about how he wasn't fucking around and asked the press to PROVE he was fucking around...then came the pics of him on the yacht with the woman...

And most people here are to young to remember Watergate.

You should have seen the lies go down in the Oval Office back then.

JFPdude · 10-29-2003, 08:02 AM

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Originally posted by basschick
i am not defending matrix - i also believe their database was used. HOW it was gotten i don't know, and if you were honest, you don't know. you know what you believe is likely, but take that to court and it will be thrown out. take proof of anything to court and it will end differently.

i have never spoken through email, icq or phone with anyone at matrix. i don't know 'em.

i WOULD like it if their database was stolen. even if it's only a small chance, if it was think of how acacia would look at that point having to prove they didn't know their info was stolen!

Exactly.

If it was a stolen database though it needs proof. That means unplugging that server now and having it analyzed by a security company before anything can be done to it.

If the security analisys of the server can prove hacking and if matrix can prove they didn't give the list to acacia and if it can be proven that the info matches the matrix database it's possible all these letters can be thrown out and at that point acacia would not be able to go after the webmasters that are proven to be from matrix's list.

There is a lot of legal issues here. They should be taken care of the right way.

This is matrix's chance to shove their contract and all of ours up acacia's ass legally if what Norman is saying is true.

Mike AI · 10-29-2003, 08:38 AM

Yeah maybe the person who "stold" the list is the same guy OJ has spent years on golf courses across the US looking for....

You know, the guy who killed his x-wife and that poor waiter....

FATPad · 10-29-2003, 08:40 AM

You guys all want Matrix to sue Acacia, but you're not willing to step forward and give Matrix the proof to do it.

For all you know, if Matrix sues Acacia for using a stolen list, Matrix will need you to testify at the trial with what you know.

Matrix will need to prove the list was stolen and used by Acacia. If no one helps Matrix prove they were mailed by Acacia using Matrix only info, there is no proof and Matrix will lose.

You can't just tell the judge "Trust me, our customers were mailed illegally from this list...go read GFY, your honor."

crockett · 10-29-2003, 08:44 AM

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Originally posted by KRL

It is far fetched. But from the looks of things, like what Brad uncovered today, we're dealing with some fairly unscrupulous stock promoters here, who are intent on making millions from this and to rape us.

I've seen people do unbelievably stupid things over the years just in the pursuit of the almighty dollar and doing any which way they can.

KRL what was uncoved today i missed it?

KRL · 10-29-2003, 08:55 AM

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Originally posted by crockett

KRL what was uncoved today i missed it?

SEC Investigation Involving Acacia

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr17676.htm

KRL · 10-29-2003, 08:57 AM

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Originally posted by FATPad
You guys all want Matrix to sue Acacia, but you're not willing to step forward and give Matrix the proof to do it.

For all you know, if Matrix sues Acacia for using a stolen list, Matrix will need you to testify at the trial with what you know.

Matrix will need to prove the list was stolen and used by Acacia. If no one helps Matrix prove they were mailed by Acacia using Matrix only info, there is no proof and Matrix will lose.

You can't just tell the judge "Trust me, our customers were mailed illegally from this list...go read GFY, your honor."

People have been posting in a number of threads that it was their address. Some even posted pics of their matrix account.

What else is there to prove.

FATPad · 10-29-2003, 09:08 AM

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Originally posted by KRL

People have been posting in a number of threads that it was their address. Some even posted pics of their matrix account.

What else is there to prove.

I guess it depends on what you're trying to prove and where.

LadyMischief · 10-29-2003, 09:15 AM

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Originally posted by Equinox

You must be joking. What else do you need to see in order to take something as a proof? There's been numerous people who have posted undeniable facts stating that it's been Matrix who leaked the info, stolen list or not.

Besides: Stolen list? Get off the crack.

Who else would I be asking for a comprehensive listing of webmasters (who are all suspects to violate the patents that I hold) than the content provider with the most webmasters customers slash webmaster informations? It simply all makes too much sense for me.

Well it wouldn't be the first time disgruntled employees or even present employees that were greedy sold out. Maybe Norman did hand over the list.. Maybe he didn't. But honestly, I don't see how lynching Matrix alone is helping our industry at all. In fact it's the peak of hypocracy. If Matrix is being lynched for it, why isn't everyone suffering for it? I'm trying to be a voice of sanity but the mob mentality always seems to rule when situations get bad.

All I know for CERTAIN is that I myself would never give out a webmaster list (and as content providers we have access to that information). I would rather loose my business first, because without trust there IS no business, period. Fortunately for us, we are Canadian, with a Canadian corporation, Canadian hosting and the works, so we are not subject to Acacia in any way, and would never be required to hand out lists.. But man I tell you I can't help but feel for someone like Norman who has spent years building up his business with his own two hands only to screw it up and see it crumble before you like a sandcastle at high tide?

And honestly, what if by some chance, he IS telling the truth? Then what? Are you going to apologize for the lost business, damaged reputation, and complete annihiliation of another person's dream?

There needs to be some fucking REASON here. Two wrongs do NOT make a right. NOTHING is getting resolved continuing to hammer away at Norman and Matrix. Like I've said, what does ANYONE have to lose by contacting him with proof? Maybe he really IS trying? Give the man a little credit, he didn't build a screamingly successful business that's served webmasters for YEARS and won awards by being an asshole with no integrity or intelligence?

I might seem like I'm siding with Norm a bit here, and maybe I am.. but I can also put myself in his shoes. Can you?

reynold · 10-29-2003, 09:18 AM

I don't believe it was stolen...

JamesK · 10-29-2003, 09:21 AM

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Originally posted by reynold
I don't believe it was stolen...

same here. it sounds like bs.

Ron Bennett · 10-29-2003, 09:36 AM

Basschick...not sure what to think, but the series of threads you've started at numerous boards makes me wonder.

Hey, we all have motivations...so feel free to post whatever, but realize that people read between the lines well here

In regards to those sticking up for Matrix Content...claiming their list was stolen, etc may not get you much mileage since Matrix Content SETTLED with Acacia...

...something to keep in mind when discussing this issue...Matrix Content is likely NOT going to sue Acacia either...they've settled and thus likely are done with the matter...but it's fun to dream I guess...

...much like, on an aside, Acacia...interesting name for a company...and "DMT" for the acronym for the group of patents...I think the folks at Acacia had a few too many "business trips" in their "youth"... my

Ron

jayeff · 10-29-2003, 09:57 AM

I'm not sticking up for Matrix: whatever did or did not happen with their database, I don't plan to do business with anyone who settled with Acacia.

However because it is at least possible that someone else should be getting the flak currently going in Matrix direction...

I'm not only registered to access the Matrix catalog but I have bought content from them several times. All my details in their database are accurate, but to date anyway, no Acacia package has arrived.

Since the last batch was apparently sent out in large numbers, I cannot imagine Acacia filtered out (and what filter would remove me anyway: I'm in the US) whatever source they used for names and addresses.

fiveyes · 10-29-2003, 11:18 AM

I'm not sticking up for Matrix either, but I don't plan to do business with anyone who's accused them and won't call to get this straightened out.

It's one thing to make an accusation on the forums, it's a whole other ball game when the accused asks for a fair chance to handle the problem and is refused.

And, though I'm hearing a lot of "IT HAD TO BE MATRIX!" that wronged this person and that, I'm not hearing anyone assuring us that they've made their evidence available to Matrix for evaluation.

Pleasurepays · 10-29-2003, 11:44 AM

stolen or not, its all about trust and accountability.

excuses dont matter and the burden of proof clearly lies with Matrix.

makes a guy wonder how oftent stats and payment records get "stolen" from big sponsors and turned over to the IRS.

SleazyDream · 10-29-2003, 11:51 AM

by by matrix

good luck EVER getting a new client again.

the best part is even if they come up with a new name - the hound dogs on here will let everyone know it's the same company that ratted everyone that dealt with them .

foreverjason · 10-29-2003, 11:55 AM

When are you actually liable in this patent claim ?

darksoft · 10-29-2003, 02:06 PM

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Originally posted by KRL

SEC Investigation Involving Acacia

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr17676.htm

That happened over a year ago...

basschick · 10-29-2003, 02:25 PM

i'm amazed! i never spent much time at gfy till recently, and i am just dumbfounded.

i have never said i don't think matrix did it deliberately. i don't fucking know. IF they did it, we deserve to know for a fact. if - however weird - they didn't do it, our laws say they have to report it. once again, we deserve to know.

whoever did this changed the lives of people here. sure, maybe acacia would have eventually whois'ed all of us, but they hadn't done it yet. i, too, have some hard choices ahead of me because of this - and i hate it a lot!!!!!

but whether i believe someone or not isn't the case here. if you say you know they did it because they settled with acacia, a lot of people settled who didn't give away our info.

the bottom line - i REALLY want to know who gave away my info and everyone else's. i want facts - not probability. it's the kind of person i have always been. facts aren't "well, i just know they did".

facts like lil24ich and jay. and now i want more facts, and the ONLY way i can have those facts right now is from matrix, 'cause no one else can PROVE whether they did or didn't do it DELIBERATELY.

what if someone else DID do it? unlikely or not, that means that person may have my partner's credit card number info. they may be able to USE that credit card number. so once again, i don't want likely, i don't want opinion, i only want facts. if matrix doesn't go to law enforcement in this situation, i won't buy from them. i will have my partner change a credit card number he's had for years - and he's not my bf or anything, i'll have to be convincing.

so gimme facts, not "i know so and so did this or that" - facts that we know that norman did this deliberately FOR SURE - no possibility even of only 1% chance that we could be wrong.

4Pics · 10-29-2003, 02:25 PM

The funny thing about all of this is that Matrix can deny this happened and there is no way for us to provide proof it did.

It would be your word against theirs in a court.

You say "Judge I only signed up for Matrix with this name/address so I know they gave or sold my information."

Matrix says "Sir we didnt give out or sell our database, we did however give it to company x so they could stop people who were stealing our content. This is fully disclosed on our website."

Judge says "Case dismissed"

10-29-2003, 06:37 AM	#2
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10-29-2003, 06:39 AM	#4
nofx Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Virgin Mary's womb Posts: 16,826	well what kind of lax security do they have if their customer database could be stolen? __________________ Often times I wonder why There's love and hate, theres live or die. When sickness comes I must decide: When feelings go, theres suicide.

10-29-2003, 06:52 AM	#6
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	And so the saga continues. Let me get this straight, we have to call Norman? How about Norman just read the posts here. And if he hasn't read every post here where people have declared the info on their Acacia notice matches the info precisely on their Matrix info then what else needs to be said. That says it all doesn't it? __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

10-29-2003, 06:59 AM	#7
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10-29-2003, 07:27 AM	#8
basschick Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: el lay, ca usa Posts: 2,540	why is it a joke? you can't know for sure it was stolen unless you were there and i don't know shit about his security however if he is willing to go to law enforcement, that will go a loooooong way to convincing a lot of us that he did not deliberately give out info. in the meantime, norman, it would be very honorable to let your customers know that there might be a leak with their info, and that proper steps are being taken to determine if there was a theft. i think the law says you have to do that anyway. anyone know for sure? Phone: (818) 887-8960 \| Email: [email protected] __________________ Got Gay and For Women Traffic?

10-29-2003, 06:35 AM	#1
basschick Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: el lay, ca usa Posts: 2,540	help matrix content prove their database was stolen jaYMan and lil2rick4u both have proof that matrix's webmaster database was used with acacia. i hope that they and anyone else with this kind of proof contact matrix content today - as norman has asked. if it's true that our names were stolen, help him have some proof to go to the law! __________________ Got Gay and For Women Traffic?

10-29-2003, 07:30 AM	#9
cosis Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Beach Posts: 5,282	Should be his job to prove it

10-29-2003, 07:30 AM	#10
nofx Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Virgin Mary's womb Posts: 16,826	why do you stick up for them? __________________ Often times I wonder why There's love and hate, theres live or die. When sickness comes I must decide: When feelings go, theres suicide.

10-29-2003, 07:39 AM	#15
JFPdude Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Mountains of Western North Carolina. Posts: 4,027	At this point Norman should be securing his servers and calling in a qualified computer security company. Only they can prove if a databases was accessed illegally from his servers. Getting names of people off a message board will not hold up in court. Even if data files such as logs were deleted companies such as http://ontrack.com can retreive those log files and prove or disprove if there was a security breach. AS big of a company as Norman has I am sure he has legal council that has recommended this to him already. We should stop posting information here that can be used by Acacia. Do I believe Norman did this? NO. Do I believe his list is part of the list being mailed? Yes Do I believe he could have been hacked? Of Course and if you believe you can't be then you really need to read up about computer security more. With the people that have already spoken out I don't believe there is much more of a question that certain legal steps should be taken at this point. Step 1 Get a computer security company to do a full audit of the systems. Step 2 Depending on what the outcome of the security companies report findings are ... take action legally. Thats my but hey what do I know.

10-29-2003, 07:41 AM	#16
Hank_Heartland Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: chicago, il Posts: 3,987	This is beginning to sound like what always happens at Ibill, too fuckin funny. I got a letter from them for a site that is not even up on info I gave Matrix just too look at their stuff __________________ Icq = 459565429 AIM = butlerhankb http://stripperpins.com Twitter = @stripperpins Facebook = Stripperpins.com [email protected]

10-29-2003, 07:47 AM	#20
X37375787 Guest Posts: n/a	Can you imagine how badly Acacia would fuck themselves if they really illegally stole the webmaster infos from Matrix? They could pack their backpack and live in a trailer park if security specialists found that out. Do you really think they are that stupid?

10-29-2003, 07:48 AM	#21
X37375787 Guest Posts: n/a	<img src=http://www.crackreality.com/crack_pipe4.jpg border=2> PUT IT DOWN!

10-29-2003, 07:50 AM	#23
X37375787 Guest Posts: n/a	And why are we pointing our dirty fingers? Well, because most of us have gotten letter in the mail, threatening us to be sued. Would you not try to find the responsible one who was kind enough to share your personal information with those scumbags?

10-29-2003, 07:56 AM	#26
crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 76,806	LadyMischief and basschick.. The deck is stacked aginst Matrix.. personally I don't like to bash a company on these boards, specially when I'm fairly new to this industry and don't have a lot of connections. But their is no doubt that Matrix's list was used.. I know for a fact 100%, that my info came from that list and I never even bought a thing from them.. just signed up to view the online store. Now I realise they are dealing with fires over there and all but IMHO it's Matrix's duty to respond to us on how or why our names and contact info are in the hands of Acacia. Why has he not responded sense Fri? IMO that dose not look good, I know for damn sure if I was being accused of something that could cause my business this much harm.. I would be sitting at Kinko's 24-7( if I couldn't use my own PC) replying to these posts, in an effort to assure my contacts that it was not me. Now I'm not jummping on the band wagon and going to say that Matrix handed my name over.. I'll give them the binfet of doubt... But with all this silence from Matrix it leads me to belive that they did infact hand the list over. I think your defense of them is nobel , any company would love to have people stick up for them in a time of need. However there becomes a point in time when that company needs to stand up for it's self. __________________ In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

10-29-2003, 07:58 AM	#27
basschick Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: el lay, ca usa Posts: 2,540	i am not defending matrix - i also believe their database was used. HOW it was gotten i don't know, and if you were honest, you don't know. you know what you believe is likely, but take that to court and it will be thrown out. take proof of anything to court and it will end differently. i have never spoken through email, icq or phone with anyone at matrix. i don't know 'em. i WOULD like it if their database was stolen. even if it's only a small chance, if it was think of how acacia would look at that point having to prove they didn't know their info was stolen! __________________ Got Gay and For Women Traffic?

10-29-2003, 08:38 AM	#32
Mike AI Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Elysian Fields Posts: 3,624	Yeah maybe the person who "stold" the list is the same guy OJ has spent years on golf courses across the US looking for.... You know, the guy who killed his x-wife and that poor waiter.... __________________ Make big money on your Domains! Why wait 40 days to get paid with the other guys? Parked.com pays the most for your traffic, and cuts checks twice a month!

10-29-2003, 08:40 AM	#33
FATPad Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,693	You guys all want Matrix to sue Acacia, but you're not willing to step forward and give Matrix the proof to do it. For all you know, if Matrix sues Acacia for using a stolen list, Matrix will need you to testify at the trial with what you know. Matrix will need to prove the list was stolen and used by Acacia. If no one helps Matrix prove they were mailed by Acacia using Matrix only info, there is no proof and Matrix will lose. You can't just tell the judge "Trust me, our customers were mailed illegally from this list...go read GFY, your honor." __________________ <a href="http://www.adultcontent.co.uk">Adult Content UK - Great British Content</a>

10-29-2003, 09:18 AM	#39
reynold Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Global Traveler Posts: 51,271	I don't believe it was stolen...

10-29-2003, 09:36 AM	#41
Ron Bennett Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,653	Basschick...not sure what to think, but the series of threads you've started at numerous boards makes me wonder. Hey, we all have motivations...so feel free to post whatever, but realize that people read between the lines well here In regards to those sticking up for Matrix Content...claiming their list was stolen, etc may not get you much mileage since Matrix Content SETTLED with Acacia... ...something to keep in mind when discussing this issue...Matrix Content is likely NOT going to sue Acacia either...they've settled and thus likely are done with the matter...but it's fun to dream I guess... ...much like, on an aside, Acacia...interesting name for a company...and "DMT" for the acronym for the group of patents...I think the folks at Acacia had a few too many "business trips" in their "youth"... my Ron

10-29-2003, 09:57 AM	#42
jayeff Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,944	I'm not sticking up for Matrix: whatever did or did not happen with their database, I don't plan to do business with anyone who settled with Acacia. However because it is at least possible that someone else should be getting the flak currently going in Matrix direction... I'm not only registered to access the Matrix catalog but I have bought content from them several times. All my details in their database are accurate, but to date anyway, no Acacia package has arrived. Since the last batch was apparently sent out in large numbers, I cannot imagine Acacia filtered out (and what filter would remove me anyway: I'm in the US) whatever source they used for names and addresses.

10-29-2003, 11:18 AM	#43
fiveyes Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: New Orleans Posts: 1,680	I'm not sticking up for Matrix either, but I don't plan to do business with anyone who's accused them and won't call to get this straightened out. It's one thing to make an accusation on the forums, it's a whole other ball game when the accused asks for a fair chance to handle the problem and is refused. And, though I'm hearing a lot of "IT HAD TO BE MATRIX!" that wronged this person and that, I'm not hearing anyone assuring us that they've made their evidence available to Matrix for evaluation. __________________ <CENTER><A HREF="http://www.hot-off-bourbon.com/" target="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://www.hot-off-bourbon.com/images/hob-logosmall.jpg" border="0"></A> <FONT face="Comic Sans MS" SIZE="-1"><I>Mardi Gras, Spring Break, Wet-T, Night Club Action, UpSkirt, Oil Wrestling, Voyeur</I></FONT></CENTER>

10-29-2003, 11:44 AM	#44
Pleasurepays BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I live in a pile of boogers Posts: 11,913	stolen or not, its all about trust and accountability. excuses dont matter and the burden of proof clearly lies with Matrix. makes a guy wonder how oftent stats and payment records get "stolen" from big sponsors and turned over to the IRS.

10-29-2003, 11:51 AM	#45
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	by by matrix good luck EVER getting a new client again. the best part is even if they come up with a new name - the hound dogs on here will let everyone know it's the same company that ratted everyone that dealt with them . __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

10-29-2003, 11:55 AM	#46
foreverjason Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,452	When are you actually liable in this patent claim ?

10-29-2003, 02:25 PM	#48
basschick Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: el lay, ca usa Posts: 2,540	i'm amazed! i never spent much time at gfy till recently, and i am just dumbfounded. i have never said i don't think matrix did it deliberately. i don't fucking know. IF they did it, we deserve to know for a fact. if - however weird - they didn't do it, our laws say they have to report it. once again, we deserve to know. whoever did this changed the lives of people here. sure, maybe acacia would have eventually whois'ed all of us, but they hadn't done it yet. i, too, have some hard choices ahead of me because of this - and i hate it a lot!!!!! but whether i believe someone or not isn't the case here. if you say you know they did it because they settled with acacia, a lot of people settled who didn't give away our info. the bottom line - i REALLY want to know who gave away my info and everyone else's. i want facts - not probability. it's the kind of person i have always been. facts aren't "well, i just know they did". facts like lil24ich and jay. and now i want more facts, and the ONLY way i can have those facts right now is from matrix, 'cause no one else can PROVE whether they did or didn't do it DELIBERATELY. what if someone else DID do it? unlikely or not, that means that person may have my partner's credit card number info. they may be able to USE that credit card number. so once again, i don't want likely, i don't want opinion, i only want facts. if matrix doesn't go to law enforcement in this situation, i won't buy from them. i will have my partner change a credit card number he's had for years - and he's not my bf or anything, i'll have to be convincing. so gimme facts, not "i know so and so did this or that" - facts that we know that norman did this deliberately FOR SURE - no possibility even of only 1% chance that we could be wrong. __________________ Got Gay and For Women Traffic?

10-29-2003, 02:25 PM	#49
4Pics Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 7,952	The funny thing about all of this is that Matrix can deny this happened and there is no way for us to provide proof it did. It would be your word against theirs in a court. You say "Judge I only signed up for Matrix with this name/address so I know they gave or sold my information." Matrix says "Sir we didnt give out or sell our database, we did however give it to company x so they could stop people who were stealing our content. This is fully disclosed on our website." Judge says "Case dismissed"