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FightThisPatent · 10-24-2003, 09:18 AM

AVN online article:

http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary...ntent_ID=43497

Talk amongst yourselves....

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SpaceAce · 10-24-2003, 09:19 AM

I'm not saying they did or didn't do it but was there ever really any chance that Matrix was going to issue a statement admitting they did it? I say: No.

SpaceAce

FightThisPatent · 10-24-2003, 09:21 AM

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Originally posted by SpaceAce
I'm not saying they did or didn't do it but was there ever really any chance that Matrix was going to issue a statement admitting they did it? I say: No.

Maybe with all the postings and Squirtit's calling out for sponsors to respond may invoke several AVNonline statements like Matrix.

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dodger21 · 10-24-2003, 09:25 AM

Seems a little fishy. The address I got the Acacia letter from is the address that my matrix stuff gets sent to. They're the ONLY ones who have that particular address. Everything else goes to another address. I dont know Norm.....

GFED · 10-24-2003, 09:31 AM

BULLSHIT!

azRCF · 10-24-2003, 09:37 AM

For what its worth I recieved my Acacia Final Notice 2 days ago and of the 8 companys they have listed Matrix is the only one who has my information, and it is addressed exactly as they have it. But that don't mean shit until I can see the entire list of companies that have settled. Just my

webair · 10-24-2003, 09:40 AM

agreed id say no too

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RockDaddy · 10-24-2003, 09:40 AM

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"The reason we chose to fight them was because, at first, they wanted our Webmasters and stuff," Bentley said. "The only (other) reason why we did settle was because they did not require us to inform (them of) anyone. When it first started, yes. But when we licensed, no

There goes what one of the other companies that settled said in another thread that Acacia wasn't asking for webmaster info

GFED · 10-24-2003, 09:41 AM

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Originally posted by RockDaddy

There goes what one of the other companies that settled said in another thread that Acacia wasn't asking for webmaster info

LIARS LIARS LIARS!

JSA Matt · 10-24-2003, 09:47 AM

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Originally posted by SpaceAce
I'm not saying they did or didn't do it but was there ever really any chance that Matrix was going to issue a statement admitting they did it? I say: No.

SpaceAce

Exactly.. personally, i'm not going to bite. They actually had to release a statement about discussions going through message boards? I think someone is feeling a little insecure. Who are you trying to convince here Matrix? Yourselves?

Shap · 10-24-2003, 10:25 AM

We've had nothing but good business dealings with Matrix. Off the top of my head I know 3 businesses that are matrix clients that have not received any letters from acacia. We have old addresses in the Matrix client information database. We haven't received any letters there either. I think if they sold out then their whole client base would have been mailed.

I may be wrong, but I don't think matrix sold you out.

JSA Matt · 10-24-2003, 01:12 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
The Matrix statement does not sway suspicion.

scoreman · 10-24-2003, 01:25 PM

Everyone wants to point at programs that signed as the source of leaks but I'm thinking its not.

I'm beginning to suspect that Acacia simply purchased webmaster lists. Its common knowledge that they hired people within the industry as consultants to explain the ins and outs of the biz. Any one of those consultants would have answered the question "How do we get the names and addresses of the players in the market?" with the answer "Buy some lists".

Marina · 10-24-2003, 01:27 PM

Curious if this information might help somehow (?)

http://sloan.stanford.edu/MouseSite/1968Demo.html

FightThisPatent · 10-24-2003, 01:31 PM

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Originally posted by Marina
Curious if this information might help somehow (?)

http://sloan.stanford.edu/MouseSite/1968Demo.html

I think it might have some relevance, had already been sent to me by a webmaster and forwarded on to the appropriate people.

Feel free to email me prior art leads to brandon at fightthepatent.com

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KRL · 10-24-2003, 01:32 PM

Its also quite possible webmaster info was obtained from Matrix surreptitiously.

For example, maybe they had someone make an offer for a mailing list without saying they were affiliated with Acacia.

Or maybe it was an inside employee that figured he could make some quick bucks and contacted Acacia not saying he was with MC but just had some great webmaster lists.

Just something to think about.

Obviously its apparent if the common denominator is MC than somehow the info got to Acacia via that source.

Theo · 10-24-2003, 01:32 PM

i have an account with matrix and i havent received anything. Im waiting a couple days to be sure since im not in states. I hope its not Matrix because i've much respect about them so far. By not receiving though a letter doesnt mean anything. Acacia probably did a selective picking based on certain criteria. It makes sense first of all to see US based webmasters getting contacted.

fuck,if i could do a wish that would be 300 seconds with the Acacia CEO. 300 seconds would be enough

Theo · 10-24-2003, 01:33 PM

true KRL

siccmade · 10-24-2003, 01:34 PM

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Honeyslut · 10-24-2003, 01:34 PM

My letter does not have any urls listed so it had to be someone who does not keep an url on file like sponsors usually do.

BigFish · 10-24-2003, 01:37 PM

Again, did anybody that have bought content from MATRIX in the past DID NOT receive a letter?

Theo · 10-24-2003, 01:39 PM

mr Bentley since he claims he didnt sell the info MUST find out which employees sold the list and take legal actions against him. From his interview he is against this practise. Let's see that IN ACTION.

Theo · 10-24-2003, 01:41 PM

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Originally posted by BigFish
Again, did anybody that have bought content from MATRIX in the past DID NOT receive a letter?

big fish,this doesnt mean a lot if acacia did a selective picking. From what i see the majority of the webmasters contacted at the moment are US based.

Mr Pheer · 10-24-2003, 01:47 PM

I bought content today, but I damn sure didnt buy it from Matrix.

MetaformX · 10-24-2003, 01:47 PM

This is getting interesting

Bladewire · 10-24-2003, 01:49 PM

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Originally posted by SpaceAce
I'm not saying they did or didn't do it but was there ever really any chance that Matrix was going to issue a statement admitting they did it? I say: No.

SpaceAce

I'd say your right... but remember.. in all fairness Matrix is defending themselves... focus on those that have settled and remained silent:

Wicked Pictures
Scorescash
CECash
Traffic Cash Gold - TCG (Dellwood Holdings)
New Frontier Media <--listed on their site

None of these people have spoken up to defend themselves... why not?

JSA Matt · 10-24-2003, 01:50 PM

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Originally posted by Squirtit
None of these people have spoken up to defend themselves... why not?

Because we (I) have no reason to suspect them?

Bladewire · 10-24-2003, 02:02 PM

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Originally posted by JSA Matt

Because we (I) have no reason to suspect them?

Well you should suspect someone.. Matrix people are not the only ones receiving packages.

Many have received packages with affiliate info that do not belong to Matrix.. so where are they coming from?

If you don't suspect those have have settled, and are listed, who do you suspect?

Bladewire · 10-24-2003, 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by Squirtit

Well you should suspect someone.. Matrix people are not the only ones receiving packages.

Many have received packages with affiliate info that do not belong to Matrix.. so where are they coming from?

If you don't suspect those have have settled, and are listed, who do you suspect?

It's 7am.. my fingers are still warming up

kush2 · 10-24-2003, 02:11 PM

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Originally posted by BigFish
Again, did anybody that have bought content from MATRIX in the past DID NOT receive a letter?

JSA Matt · 10-24-2003, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Squirtit

Well you should suspect someone.. Matrix people are not the only ones receiving packages.

Many have received packages with affiliate info that do not belong to Matrix.. so where are they coming from?

If you don't suspect those have have settled, and are listed, who do you suspect?

I shouldn't suspect anyone else because I KNOW my information came from Matrix Content. I'm sure that more than one company has sold out and given up their webmasters just to get a sweetheart deal but Matrix shot themselves in the foot on this one.

Mike AI · 10-24-2003, 02:38 PM

What pisses me off more then turning over names, is they keep lying about it. There seems to be enough circumstantial evidence, from mutlible sources to say other wise.

One thing to piss one me, but don't tell me its raining!!

GFED · 10-24-2003, 02:47 PM

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Originally posted by Mike AI
What pisses me off more then turning over names, is they keep lying about it. There seems to be enough circumstantial evidence, from mutlible sources to say other wise.

One thing to piss one me, but don't tell me its raining!!

JSA Matt · 10-24-2003, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mike AI
What pisses me off more then turning over names, is they keep lying about it. There seems to be enough circumstantial evidence, from mutlible sources to say other wise.

One thing to piss one me, but don't tell me its raining!!

Because they know if they confess they will never make another sale again.

Paul Markham · 10-25-2003, 02:59 AM

How easy would it be to start a site where affiliates, who have recieved the package at an address only known to sponsors, could list their sponsors. Would very quickly show who is the rat.

When Acacia are beaten some companies arew going to be out of business because they signed up to Acacia.

sexeducation · 10-25-2003, 03:05 AM

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Originally posted by RockDaddy

There goes what one of the other companies that settled said in another thread that Acacia wasn't asking for webmaster info

Acacia isn't asking for "Webmaster Contacts" ...

you seem to forget the media and stock spins & spins & spins ...
they are asking for "monthly sales reports" ...
ding dong - did the door bell ring ...

they are not asking for "Webmaster contacts" just the sales information of the biggest players ... oh and accidentally that happens to be "Webmaster contacts" ...

<H3>SexEducation.com will never report to Acacia</H3>
It has been 100% anonymous since inception and will stay that way. PERIOD

sexeducation · 10-25-2003, 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by charly
How easy would it be to start a site where affiliates, who have recieved the package at an address only known to sponsors, could list their sponsors. Would very quickly show who is the rat.

When Acacia are beaten some companies arew going to be out of business because they signed up to Acacia.

Yes - Charly ...
I agree ...
if one thing I have learned on GFY - mistakes take a long time to be forgiven in the "cliche" of the adult industry players ...

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scoreman Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,491	Everyone wants to point at programs that signed as the source of leaks but I'm thinking its not. I'm beginning to suspect that Acacia simply purchased webmaster lists. Its common knowledge that they hired people within the industry as consultants to explain the ins and outs of the biz. Any one of those consultants would have answered the question "How do we get the names and addresses of the players in the market?" with the answer "Buy some lists". __________________

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KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	Its also quite possible webmaster info was obtained from Matrix surreptitiously. For example, maybe they had someone make an offer for a mailing list without saying they were affiliated with Acacia. Or maybe it was an inside employee that figured he could make some quick bucks and contacted Acacia not saying he was with MC but just had some great webmaster lists. Just something to think about. Obviously its apparent if the common denominator is MC than somehow the info got to Acacia via that source. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

10-24-2003, 09:19 AM	#2
SpaceAce Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Magrathea Posts: 6,493	I'm not saying they did or didn't do it but was there ever really any chance that Matrix was going to issue a statement admitting they did it? I say: No. SpaceAce

10-24-2003, 09:25 AM	#4
dodger21 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,680	Seems a little fishy. The address I got the Acacia letter from is the address that my matrix stuff gets sent to. They're the ONLY ones who have that particular address. Everything else goes to another address. I dont know Norm.....

10-24-2003, 09:37 AM	#6
azRCF Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 108	For what its worth I recieved my Acacia Final Notice 2 days ago and of the 8 companys they have listed Matrix is the only one who has my information, and it is addressed exactly as they have it. But that don't mean shit until I can see the entire list of companies that have settled. Just my

10-24-2003, 10:25 AM	#11
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	We've had nothing but good business dealings with Matrix. Off the top of my head I know 3 businesses that are matrix clients that have not received any letters from acacia. We have old addresses in the Matrix client information database. We haven't received any letters there either. I think if they sold out then their whole client base would have been mailed. I may be wrong, but I don't think matrix sold you out.

10-24-2003, 01:27 PM	#14
Marina Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: at my fucking desk Posts: 437	Curious if this information might help somehow (?) http://sloan.stanford.edu/MouseSite/1968Demo.html

10-24-2003, 01:32 PM	#17
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	i have an account with matrix and i havent received anything. Im waiting a couple days to be sure since im not in states. I hope its not Matrix because i've much respect about them so far. By not receiving though a letter doesnt mean anything. Acacia probably did a selective picking based on certain criteria. It makes sense first of all to see US based webmasters getting contacted. fuck,if i could do a wish that would be 300 seconds with the Acacia CEO. 300 seconds would be enough

10-24-2003, 01:33 PM	#18
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	true KRL

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BigFish Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: United States of America Posts: 1,159	Again, did anybody that have bought content from MATRIX in the past DID NOT receive a letter?

10-24-2003, 01:39 PM	#22
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	mr Bentley since he claims he didnt sell the info MUST find out which employees sold the list and take legal actions against him. From his interview he is against this practise. Let's see that IN ACTION.

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Mike AI Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Elysian Fields Posts: 3,624	What pisses me off more then turning over names, is they keep lying about it. There seems to be enough circumstantial evidence, from mutlible sources to say other wise. One thing to piss one me, but don't tell me its raining!! __________________ Make big money on your Domains! Why wait 40 days to get paid with the other guys? Parked.com pays the most for your traffic, and cuts checks twice a month!

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