TGP owner gets ACACIA letter... - GoFuckYourself.com

Big Fish 47 · 10-24-2003, 10:59 AM

I run 3 small ass TGPs and I received a letter from ACACIA today. So, I call them to see which domains they have listed and they had the correct ones. My first question to her was, how am I infringing? She said about the video blah blah. I said that I have no video on my sites, just links to galleries and sponsors. She said that I can't link to sponsors that have video. WTF? So, they come after little ol' me instead of the big sites?

I have to call back next week to speak with someone more "technical" she said. She said in order to stop this, I have to remove those links (uhhh... it's a tgp) or pay their fee. Anyone know what the fee is?

DarkBob · 10-24-2003, 11:02 AM

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Originally posted by Big Fish 47
Anyone know what the fee is?

yes

DarkBob · 10-24-2003, 11:02 AM

they sent letters to the other 46 big fishes too...

JDog · 10-24-2003, 11:03 AM

Fuck that shit. I'd love to see them send me one! I'll give them the fight of their fucking life! Well I guess alot of others are doing it. I'll send them the

they deserve for buying a company that owned them!

jDoG

Tuga · 10-24-2003, 11:04 AM

Tell her to go fuck herself

Big Fish 47 · 10-24-2003, 11:04 AM

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Originally posted by DarkBob

yes

Would you like to share?

Big Fish 47 · 10-24-2003, 11:05 AM

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Originally posted by JDog
Fuck that shit. I'd love to see them send me one! I'll give them the fight of their fucking life! Well I guess alot of others are doing it. I'll send them the they deserve for buying a company that owned them!

jDoG

I can't afford a fight.

doober · 10-24-2003, 11:06 AM

they are just kidding around with you man, they dont really want you to remove the video links. If they did you would have heard about it already...

rooster · 10-24-2003, 11:06 AM

its just a sales letter not an official document. If they ever tried to actually sue me Id request a jury trial.

I think it would also be a good idea to get a group of like 50 people to file extortion complaints in the state of california. Using scare tactics to get people to pay illegal double dipping fees.

Big Fish 47 · 10-24-2003, 11:09 AM

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Originally posted by doober
they are just kidding around with you man, they dont really want you to remove the video links. If they did you would have heard about it already...

They have a nasty sense of humor. I did hear about it - they sent me a letter.

DarkJedi · 10-24-2003, 11:15 AM

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Originally posted by Big Fish 47

Would you like to share?

I would.

Big Fish 47 · 10-24-2003, 11:15 AM

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Originally posted by rooster
its just a sales letter not an official document.

I don't want it to get "official".

tootie · 10-24-2003, 11:23 AM

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Originally posted by Big Fish 47
Anyone know what the fee is?

As far as I know, anyone who is a small guy and doesn't make alot has to pay $1500. I think that is if you make less than $100,000 per year. Okay, so $1500 is not that much to someone who makes $90,000 a year, but what about the guy who makes $8,000 a year? That's OUTRAGEOUS for someone who makes like $50 a week with a small TGP or a couple hundred a week from TGP postings.

Theo · 10-24-2003, 11:27 AM

tell the bitch to FUCK OFF, we are pornographers and we do not tolerate motherfuckers

Theo · 10-24-2003, 11:28 AM

ok,you got the idea

goBigtime · 10-24-2003, 11:29 AM

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Originally posted by tootie

As far as I know, anyone who is a small guy and doesn't make alot has to pay $1500. I think that is if you make less than $100,000 per year. Okay, so $1500 is not that much to someone who makes $90,000 a year, but what about the guy who makes $8,000 a year? That's OUTRAGEOUS for someone who makes like $50 a week with a small TGP or a couple hundred a week from TGP postings.

I guess they'll have to go out of business then.

People in the industry have been wishing that day would come for years. And now it might actually happen. Go figure.

Big Fish 47 · 10-24-2003, 11:30 AM

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Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
tell the bitch to FUCK OFF, we are pornographers and we do not tolerate motherfuckers

Well, when I have to shut my sites down, I'll make sure I mention that. I'm unable to fight this and I can't afford the $1500.

Theo · 10-24-2003, 11:41 AM

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Originally posted by Big Fish 47

Well, when I have to shut my sites down, I'll make sure I mention that. I'm unable to fight this and I can't afford the $1500.

hopefully we won't see this happening. I'm gonna have a talk with impa to see some technical issues regarding an idea i have that can prevent tgps and mgps from acacia threat.

Theo · 10-24-2003, 11:44 AM

Acacia became my no1 obsession. Honestly I cannot PERCEIVE how can someone claim such patent. This is completely bs and despite what some think, it won't go far.

Reak · 10-24-2003, 11:44 AM

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Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
tell the bitch to FUCK OFF, we are pornographers and we do not tolerate motherfuckers

FUCKING RIGHT

Big Fish 47 · 10-24-2003, 11:45 AM

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Originally posted by Soul_Rebel

hopefully we won't see this happening. I'm gonna have a talk with impa to see some technical issues regarding an idea i have that can prevent tgps and mgps from acacia threat.

Hopefully you can get it done by Nov 30th. Can I get your ICQ so we can talk about this?

Sexzity · 10-24-2003, 11:45 AM

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Originally posted by Big Fish 47

Well, when I have to shut my sites down, I'll make sure I mention that. I'm unable to fight this and I can't afford the $1500.

Just remember to send a letter to them and tell them that if they loosing in court, on the other lawsuits, you will sue them for your losses.

Big Fish 47 · 10-24-2003, 11:47 AM

How can this be happening with all the big players in this industry? Can't someone do anything?

Biggy2 · 10-24-2003, 11:48 AM

umm..

it seems to me like they are double and triple dipping........

theres no way it can be legal.
and if you are not providing any videos, and simply linking to sponsors that do use, its the sponsor infringing, not you...

their operation is so sloppy it isn't even funny.

Tipsy · 10-24-2003, 11:49 AM

Still amazes me that people have only just started to take this a little seriously. Amazing things blinkers.

Theo · 10-24-2003, 11:50 AM

Big Fish,im rarely on icq, but you can receive me fast on email anytime admin @ netexcitement.com

what's the 30 NOV date about?

doober · 10-24-2003, 11:50 AM

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Originally posted by Big Fish 47
How can this be happening with all the big players in this industry? Can't someone do anything?

U havent heard?
Bizness is Bizness, everyone for themselves according to the big players and some sellouts

Big Fish 47 · 10-24-2003, 11:54 AM

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Originally posted by Tipsy
Still amazes me that people have only just started to take this a little seriously. Amazing things blinkers.

I never took this seriouly becaues I don't host any god damn videos!

CDSmith · 10-24-2003, 11:57 AM

Since when is posting a LINK on your site infringement on their patent?? No way, nope, no fucking way in hell will that fly. Sorry Acacia, you are way overstepping on this one. Posting a link is not even close to being the same as offering movies directly from your own domain/host/server. From a TGP, most actual movie files are TWO CLICKS AWAY. Linking to it is not the same as owning it.

Acacia is wasting money if they are going after TGP's.

Libertine · 10-24-2003, 12:00 PM

No court in the world would take this seriously, they have no case whatsoever. Just ignore them. Chances of them actually taking legal action on this are 1 in 10000.

Big Fish 47 · 10-24-2003, 12:02 PM

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Originally posted by CDSmith
Since when is posting a LINK on your site infringement on their patent?? No way, nope, no fucking way in hell will that fly. Sorry Acacia, you are way overstepping on this one. Posting a link is not even close to being the same as offering movies directly from your own domain/host/server. From a TGP, most actual movie files are TWO CLICKS AWAY. Linking to it is not the same as owning it.

Acacia is wasting money if they are going after TGP's.

What am I supposed to do though?

I do have links directly to sponsors too.

JamesK · 10-24-2003, 12:05 PM

haha those moronssssssssssssssss

Big Fish 47 · 10-24-2003, 12:06 PM

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Originally posted by punkworld
No court in the world would take this seriously, they have no case whatsoever. Just ignore them. Chances of them actually taking legal action on this are 1 in 10000.

With my luck, I'd be that 1 out of the 10,000

Big Fish 47 · 10-24-2003, 12:11 PM

Interesting story related to hyperlinks: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103_2-5072581.html

"After all, a hyperlink is merely a road marker on the Internet, and it can therefore never be unlawful," the company said in a statement.

CDSmith · 10-24-2003, 12:13 PM

If it were me I would 1) consult with a net-savvy lawyer

2) see #1.

In that order.

My own gut instinct would be to ignore them and see what they do, or send them an explanation letter, then ignore them, and see what they do. Like I said, linking to something is not the same as owning or being responsible for something. I can link to any sponsor I want, I'm not the one offering VIDEO directly to the end user, the sponsor is. The sponsor owns it, end of story.

As far as I can tell, the almighty Acacia hasn't a leg to stand on with this one, unless they now hold patents on hyperlinking.

Splash · 10-24-2003, 12:17 PM

Big Fish 47,

Don't think for once that you are the only TGP to be getting the nifty packet from Acacia. I recieved the same thing today.

Big Fish 47 · 10-24-2003, 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by Splash
Big Fish 47,

Don't think for once that you are the only TGP to be getting the nifty packet from Acacia. I recieved the same thing today.

What are your plans?

CDSmith · 10-24-2003, 12:22 PM

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Originally posted by Big Fish 47
How can this be happening with all the big players in this industry? Can't someone do anything?

Someone is....

http://www.impai.org/

Anyone who hasn't donated yet should really consider it now.

Gemini · 10-24-2003, 12:31 PM

Sheesh 47... you have embarrassed the whole states' population!! Where have you been hiding and please, when are you moving to Pa or Indiana? lol Mi-chee-gan, ANYwhere but here.

Splash · 10-24-2003, 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by Big Fish 47

What are your plans?

I sent the info off to the group who backs the site to let them hash it out first. Although I do provide links to mpgs & wmv's none are for my own profit, so I'll let them work on it.

A thread was started about babenet being a possible culprit to giving out names. You can count them out for me as I've never had anything to do with them. Matrix Content? I'm on their mailing list, but never bought anything from them.

Slick · 10-24-2003, 12:35 PM

Yeah, I feel like a big time player because I just got my Acacia letter in today !!!

KaLi · 10-24-2003, 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by Soul_Rebel

hopefully we won't see this happening. I'm gonna have a talk with impa to see some technical issues regarding an idea i have that can prevent tgps and mgps from acacia threat.

Big Fish 47 · 10-24-2003, 12:36 PM

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Originally posted by Gemini
Sheesh 47... you have embarrassed the whole states' population!! Where have you been hiding and please, when are you moving to Pa or Indiana? lol Mi-chee-gan, ANYwhere but here.

What are you talking about???

CDSmith · 10-24-2003, 12:40 PM

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Originally posted by Big Fish 47
What are you talking about???

I'm sure she means that it would appear from this thread that you have had your head buried in the sand for the past 6-10 months, because this Acacia issue has been around and talked about for at least that long.... and has been brewing for longer than that.

People, wake up. Donate: http://www.impai.org/

And pay attention to what is being proposed on this thread: http://board.gofuckyourself.com/show...hreadid=189615

Gemini · 10-24-2003, 12:49 PM

See 47... even CD understood me and he speaks Canadian forcryinoutloud!!

Big Fish 47 · 10-24-2003, 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by Gemini
See 47... even CD understood me and he speaks Canadian forcryinoutloud!!

I've been reading about this for months, but I assumed since I have no video, I'd be safe.

CDSmith · 10-24-2003, 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by Big Fish 47
I've been reading about this for months, but I assumed since I have no video, I'd be safe.

Don't assume. Donate.

It's the only way this will ever go away.

xmovieparad · 10-24-2003, 01:12 PM

if you were linking to child porn that would be illegal...but the sponsors you are linking to ARE NOT illegal ..thats why you can legally link to them, no video are your site they have nothing they can run after..

they cant tell you who to link to and who not to link to.

FightThisPatent · 10-24-2003, 03:00 PM

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Originally posted by Tipsy
Still amazes me that people have only just started to take this a little seriously.

Acacia? Who are they?

I would like to think that atleast 1 of my 769+ posts on GFY would have been read by some of these people.

crockett · 10-24-2003, 03:15 PM

I'm in the same boat as you I just started in adult a few months ago, so I'm not making much yet. I allso only link to galleries with vids and have none on my own server.

All they are trying to do is scare everyone, honestly do you think they would try to take every TGP owner to court? and even if they did what would they gain? I'd say at least 60% if not more would shut their sites down b4 paying the money. So acrapica spends a lot of money on court cases and gets no gains... I personally don't think they will try sue everyone, I don't think they could afford it..

The problem is you can't ignore them or they will win by defualt... but this letter is only a threat/sales pitch.. you don't have to do anything intill you get served..

10-24-2003, 11:03 AM	#4
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10-24-2003, 11:47 AM	#23
Big Fish 47 Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ohio, USA Posts: 1,035	How can this be happening with all the big players in this industry? Can't someone do anything? __________________

10-24-2003, 11:49 AM	#25
Tipsy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: See sig Posts: 6,989	Still amazes me that people have only just started to take this a little seriously. Amazing things blinkers. __________________ Ignorance is never bliss.

10-24-2003, 11:57 AM	#29
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	Since when is posting a LINK on your site infringement on their patent?? No way, nope, no fucking way in hell will that fly. Sorry Acacia, you are way overstepping on this one. Posting a link is not even close to being the same as offering movies directly from your own domain/host/server. From a TGP, most actual movie files are TWO CLICKS AWAY. Linking to it is not the same as owning it. Acacia is wasting money if they are going after TGP's. __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

10-24-2003, 10:59 AM	#1
Big Fish 47 Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ohio, USA Posts: 1,035	TGP owner gets ACACIA letter... I run 3 small ass TGPs and I received a letter from ACACIA today. So, I call them to see which domains they have listed and they had the correct ones. My first question to her was, how am I infringing? She said about the video blah blah. I said that I have no video on my sites, just links to galleries and sponsors. She said that I can't link to sponsors that have video. WTF? So, they come after little ol' me instead of the big sites? I have to call back next week to speak with someone more "technical" she said. She said in order to stop this, I have to remove those links (uhhh... it's a tgp) or pay their fee. Anyone know what the fee is? __________________

10-24-2003, 11:02 AM	#3
DarkBob Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 2,300	they sent letters to the other 46 big fishes too...

10-24-2003, 11:06 AM	#8
doober Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: in yoOoo kitchen Posts: 6,984	they are just kidding around with you man, they dont really want you to remove the video links. If they did you would have heard about it already...

10-24-2003, 11:06 AM	#9
rooster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,384	its just a sales letter not an official document. If they ever tried to actually sue me Id request a jury trial. I think it would also be a good idea to get a group of like 50 people to file extortion complaints in the state of california. Using scare tactics to get people to pay illegal double dipping fees.

10-24-2003, 11:27 AM	#14
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	tell the bitch to FUCK OFF, we are pornographers and we do not tolerate motherfuckers

10-24-2003, 11:28 AM	#15
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	ok,you got the idea

10-24-2003, 11:44 AM	#19
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	Acacia became my no1 obsession. Honestly I cannot PERCEIVE how can someone claim such patent. This is completely bs and despite what some think, it won't go far.

10-24-2003, 11:48 AM	#24
Biggy2 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,821	umm.. it seems to me like they are double and triple dipping........ theres no way it can be legal. and if you are not providing any videos, and simply linking to sponsors that do use, its the sponsor infringing, not you... their operation is so sloppy it isn't even funny.

10-24-2003, 11:50 AM	#26
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	Big Fish,im rarely on icq, but you can receive me fast on email anytime admin @ netexcitement.com what's the 30 NOV date about?

10-24-2003, 12:00 PM	#30
Libertine sex dwarf Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 17,860	No court in the world would take this seriously, they have no case whatsoever. Just ignore them. Chances of them actually taking legal action on this are 1 in 10000. __________________ /(bb\|[^b]{2})/

10-24-2003, 12:05 PM	#32
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10-24-2003, 12:11 PM	#34
Big Fish 47 Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ohio, USA Posts: 1,035	Interesting story related to hyperlinks: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103_2-5072581.html "After all, a hyperlink is merely a road marker on the Internet, and it can therefore never be unlawful," the company said in a statement. __________________

10-24-2003, 12:13 PM	#35
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	If it were me I would 1) consult with a net-savvy lawyer 2) see #1. In that order. My own gut instinct would be to ignore them and see what they do, or send them an explanation letter, then ignore them, and see what they do. Like I said, linking to something is not the same as owning or being responsible for something. I can link to any sponsor I want, I'm not the one offering VIDEO directly to the end user, the sponsor is. The sponsor owns it, end of story. As far as I can tell, the almighty Acacia hasn't a leg to stand on with this one, unless they now hold patents on hyperlinking. __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

10-24-2003, 12:17 PM	#36
Splash Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 89	Big Fish 47, Don't think for once that you are the only TGP to be getting the nifty packet from Acacia. I recieved the same thing today.

10-24-2003, 12:31 PM	#39
Gemini Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: o-HI-o Posts: 7,183	Sheesh 47... you have embarrassed the whole states' population!! Where have you been hiding and please, when are you moving to Pa or Indiana? lol Mi-chee-gan, ANYwhere but here. __________________ <center><a target="_blank" href="http://dev.datedollars.com/index.php?s=signup&aid=535&cfg=aac"><img border="0" src="http://216.130.172.224/gfy/gsig.gif" width="490" height="100"></a><br><a href="http://dev.datedollars.com/index.php?s=signup&aid=535&cfg=aac" target="_blank"><b><font face="Arial"><font color="#FF99FF"> Buy me away from Slavedriver Smokey!<br>It's May Sig Sweeps!<font></b></center>

10-24-2003, 12:35 PM	#41
Slick Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Houghton, MI Posts: 7,338	Yeah, I feel like a big time player because I just got my Acacia letter in today !!!

10-24-2003, 12:49 PM	#45
Gemini Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: o-HI-o Posts: 7,183	See 47... even CD understood me and he speaks Canadian forcryinoutloud!! __________________ <center><a target="_blank" href="http://dev.datedollars.com/index.php?s=signup&aid=535&cfg=aac"><img border="0" src="http://216.130.172.224/gfy/gsig.gif" width="490" height="100"></a><br><a href="http://dev.datedollars.com/index.php?s=signup&aid=535&cfg=aac" target="_blank"><b><font face="Arial"><font color="#FF99FF"> Buy me away from Slavedriver Smokey!<br>It's May Sig Sweeps!<font></b></center>

10-24-2003, 01:12 PM	#48
xmovieparad Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 181	if you were linking to child porn that would be illegal...but the sponsors you are linking to ARE NOT illegal ..thats why you can legally link to them, no video are your site they have nothing they can run after.. they cant tell you who to link to and who not to link to.

10-24-2003, 03:15 PM	#50
crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 76,806	I'm in the same boat as you I just started in adult a few months ago, so I'm not making much yet. I allso only link to galleries with vids and have none on my own server. All they are trying to do is scare everyone, honestly do you think they would try to take every TGP owner to court? and even if they did what would they gain? I'd say at least 60% if not more would shut their sites down b4 paying the money. So acrapica spends a lot of money on court cases and gets no gains... I personally don't think they will try sue everyone, I don't think they could afford it.. The problem is you can't ignore them or they will win by defualt... but this letter is only a threat/sales pitch.. you don't have to do anything intill you get served.. __________________ In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.