It's not that women are more visual than men, it's that they are generally more influenced by social approval.

i would say the intial attraction; both men and women are equally visual creatures. take it a step further now and a man will stay with a good looking, inarticulate, unintelligent woman just because she is good looking arm piece that he can show off to his friends. put most women in that situation and they guy would be out the door in 3 months tops.

women are less visual creatures overall. men are not. women grow out of the looks phase (for the most part) at a certain age. men dont. women look to the future on what their partner can provide. its within most mens natures to provide so their focus shifts to how expensive and big is my next toy going to be and who can i bang tonight. needless to say, men dont really change much from the time they are 14-15 until they reach an older age. whereas most women (not all) and their priorities and responsibilites change almost immediately. show me a woman who still plays with barbies at 30 and i will show you 10 men who still play games and concern themselves with beefing up their cars. kinda scary if you sit back and think about which species true evolves faster; and men dominate this world....yikes

Just out of curiosity: have you actually met and spoken with a man in real life? :eek7

plenty and if you try to argue my statement, you will just look foolish for a true man will agree with me. i am not man bashing, not at all. hell this day and age most women try to act like men with how many guys they can screw in a week. however, take a smart, ambitious woman and get her pregnant (for the most part; not all women i am including here), her focus will change almost immediately. take a man and put him in that situation and see where his focus will lay (again, not all men but a good portion).

i am the only woman in an office full of men. and not the wimpy, let me bitch, be a keyboard tough guy on the boards and complain all day types. i am talking men who concern and consume themselves with money every waking (and non waking) minute of the day. these guys are super ambitious!

let me ask them if they want to play an online game (provided there isnt a deadline with a project) and they will jump on it just about, most of the time. whereas i would really continue working for there is always something that can be done even if it isnt under a deadline. my focus that way is a little different from them. thats not saying i dont jump on the opportunity if given but it all depends how much of a break i need.

can't it be both?

Im not going to make the first move, or ANY move for that materr unless I'm attracted to the girl's looks. However, I'm not going to spend more than 10 minutes with her if I don't like her personality. Of course, the longer it goes, 1 date, casual dating, serous relationship.. the more I have to dig her personality, but at that point looks have become irrelivant.

You are soooooo right :thumbsup You nailed it. I would like to add, that most men are selfish until they hit an age of maturity and care about more than what they can gain for themselves. It takes a long time for a lot of men, to want to share with someone they love and build a future WITH someone. Most women want that immediately and end up wasting years and years with guys, that may never be on the same level as them. So that's why women won't waste time with guys just because they are attractive. Women are all about "where is this going?" as opposed to looking good here and now. :2 cents:

I couldn't have said that better myself!

:thumbsup

I would have to say looks but please allow me to explain before calling me names.

If I look at a girl who isn't so hot I won't bother going to talk to her. I would smile if she walked past me in a club but thats it.

If I see a hot chick I will talk to her and then find out if she has a nice personality.

So really looks win it for me, coz without good looks I probably wouldn't try and chat her up.

Am I shallow?

You really are obsessed with ambition, aren't you?

But, regardless of your conception of what a "true man" is, in my experience just about no men are interested in dumb women for long-term relationships. I don't know what kind of guys you hang out with (well, apart from the fact that they are obsessed with money and are "super ambitious"), but just about all my male friends only want to date women who actually have a brain.

you are 100% correct with the wasted years! when i was 19 i dated this guy who was 25. we spent 6 years together to only end up with him marrying someone else. i look back now and breaking up was a good decision. i put every ounce of my being into him and i mean every ounce. they break up wasnt as difficult as i thought it would be but still you put alot of time into someone hoping one day it will go somewhere. i dated another guy after that for 2-3 years and that went nowhere.

now i have no desire to get married and you know what i get? looked at funny cause i dont want to do what society deems is right. i wont date the good looking guy cause for the most part he is as stupid as a stump. the next guy i date wont be that great looking to others BUT he will have the qualities i want, ambition and personality, which will make him the best looking man in the world to me regardless of what others think.

yes i am

you are lucky to surround yourself with the perfect male friends cause there is usually one in a crowd who is shallow. show the rest of us women where these men are....dont keep them to yourself:thumbsup

They're in university, studying things like art, philosophy, history and literature :glugglug

and drinking maybe? lol

well i hope they find the right women to date and i hope they never enter that shallow zone. there is someone out there for everyone if that everyone wants to hook up with that someone.

Ambition leads to success.

Ambition also indicates future plans. Women want security and stability now and in the future. Not just financially, but emotionally as well. That won't happen with a guy who just wants to take it one day at a time. Even if your dreams are a lightyear away, as long as you are working towards them and lay your plans out... that's all most women want. Most women can be appeased by a game plan, but we also want to see it in action, to know we're headed in the right direction and if we're not, we want to be set free so we can find that with someone else. Most women aren't into settling for a movie and sex with a hot guy for years and years at a time.

I don't know why anyone, men or women would want to waste time and effort, on something that is basically "we'll see what happens". That's very disappointing and draining, because if anything, a relationship should be on steady ground, not up in the air.

if he was hung like a horse he would hurt my tight pussy:helpme

Both!!!:)

Guess you missed the news?

He stabbed himself in the chest and commited suicide a few days ago.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...631552246.html

:(

Both!!! :1orglaugh

ah 'past tense' as in 'got some' - damn ive been confused lately.

hahaha:1orglaugh

I totally agree with this part!