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Giorgio_Xo 10-23-2003 04:45 PM

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Originally posted by Ken

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Giorgio,


Sorry, but you are 100% wrong and you should be careful about coming to fast assumptions and making false accusations. Your irresponsible and false accusations could hurt our business and we take that very seriously.

Neither Hustler nor Vivid has given (or ever will give) Acacia ANY affiliate information. Period.

I expect you to provide proof of your allegations or post a retraction and an apology immediately.

I am stating fact. These are the only two affiliates I have signed up with that are a party to licencing deals with Acacia. My real name is not public knowledge.

I am not liable for any apology. If my comments about Hustler and Vivid defame to the point of hurting your business, your business is already sunk. The last time I checked with Hoover's both Hustler and Vivid were both doing $100MM in sales a year. A poor little webmaster with 25,000 uniques make you feel scared?

Hustler, et al shouldn't have cut a deal.

Giorgio_Xo 10-23-2003 04:49 PM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


Did you ever buy content from Matrix content?

There are a number of threads where people have mentioned Matrix as a possible sell out.

I don't know, I am just reposting what others have said here on GFY.

I only serve escort ads on my network. All secondary income comes from affiliate-only sales. I do not stream or push any video or audio content, nor do I have a paysite section.

I have never purchased content from Matrix.

Giorgio_Xo 10-23-2003 04:51 PM

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Originally posted by Tipsy
Why do so many people think that the published list includes all the companies that have signed? Odd notion.
You do have a point. Luckily I have only signed up with a small amount of sponsors. I could gather a list.

Hooper 10-23-2003 04:54 PM

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Originally posted by Giorgio_Xo Fuck you Hustler and Vivid. You get no business from me. You violated my right to privacy.
You dont promote ANY other sponsors and never have ever? I find that a little hard to believe.

basschick 10-23-2003 04:55 PM

the letter i got used a nickname i rarely use, and neither hustler, vivid nor matrix have that nickname. i'm pretty sure ce does not have it either.

any more ideas on who it could be?

Giorgio_Xo 10-23-2003 05:08 PM

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Originally posted by Hooper


You dont promote ANY other sponsors and never have ever? I find that a little hard to believe.

True. As I stated in another post, I am gathering a complete list which should be quite easy since the vast majority were sign-ups after March.

InsaneGreen 10-23-2003 05:10 PM

damn, i had to read 2 pages to catch up since i left last night and didnt come up with anything worth reading. thanks guys:glugglug

Ken 10-23-2003 05:23 PM

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Originally posted by Giorgio_Xo


I am stating fact. These are the only two affiliates I have signed up with that are a party to licencing deals with Acacia. My real name is not public knowledge.

I am not liable for any apology. If my comments about Hustler and Vivid defame to the point of hurting your business, your business is already sunk. The last time I checked with Hoover's both Hustler and Vivid were both doing $100MM in sales a year. A poor little webmaster with 25,000 uniques make you feel scared?

Hustler, et al shouldn't have cut a deal.

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You said "You violated my right to privacy.".

That is NOT a fact. This is a false statement and I don't take it lightly.

We did not share your information, nor will we ever share any affiliate information unless we were forced to by a court order.

Last night Fletch XXX jumped the gun and named Hustler as the possible culprit. Upon further investigation he apologized and acknowledged that he jumped to conclusions to fast. I was not happy with his initial statement, but he was smart enough to investigate further and man enough to admit his mistake. Are you?

You are entitled to your opinion about Hustler and Vivid settling, however, you are not entitled to make false accusations.

Ken 10-23-2003 05:26 PM

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Originally posted by Giorgio_Xo


True. As I stated in another post, I am gathering a complete list which should be quite easy since the vast majority were sign-ups after March.

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Wait...first you were sure it was Hustler and Vivid and now you're gathering a list? Why am I not surprised.....

I'm growing very tired of all the finger pointing without any hard facts.

Bladewire 10-23-2003 06:12 PM

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Originally posted by Ken

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Wait...first you were sure it was Hustler and Vivid and now you're gathering a list? Why am I not surprised.....

I'm growing very tired of all the finger pointing without any hard facts.

You know Ken sometimes finger pointing is the process of elimination.

I give you credit. You are one of the few standing here in defense of companies you work for.

There are many companies that have not posted one word in their defense.

I think Giorgio_Xo might be jumping the gun a bit but I think you are as well. You don't need to say "I'm gonna sue you if you talk bad about me" for people to know where you're coming from. A lot of people feel like they're drowning and don't need more threats when they come up for air. :2 cents:

SomeCreep 10-23-2003 06:13 PM

250 rats :glugglug

Ken 10-23-2003 06:24 PM

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Originally posted by Squirtit


You know Ken sometimes finger pointing is the process of elimination.

I give you credit. You are one of the few standing here in defense of companies you work for.

There are many companies that have not posted one word in their defense.

I think Giorgio_Xo might be jumping the gun a bit but I think you are as well. You don't need to say "I'm gonna sue you if you talk bad about me" for people to know where you're coming from. A lot of people feel like they're drowning and don't need more threats when they come up for air. :2 cents:

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Squirtit,

I understand your point, but finger pointing can be harmful and dangerous if it's done irresponsibly. It's one thing to say "It's possible that Hustler did it because they were one of the companies who settled". It's totally different to say that we DID do it with no facts, no proof...just assumptions.

Fletch XXX made that assumption last night, but we resolved our dispute very quickly because he was smart enough to double check his facts and then had the balls to apologize after he found out that things didn't add up.

I didn't threaten to sue anyone. I just asked for an apology and a retraction unless he could prove his accusations (which I know he can't because I personally have control over the affiliate databases of Hustler and Vivid).

This is a hot issue for everyone involved and I would be beyond pissed if someone shared my personal or company info with another company, so I understand why everyone is so hot.

However, we have a long history of being honest and treating our affiliates well, so I don't like being accused of something that is totally false.

BRISK 10-23-2003 06:26 PM

Ken, didn't Hustler and Vivid say in their joint statement that anyone who promotes them is safe from Acacia?

Holly 10-23-2003 06:29 PM

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Originally posted by Ken

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Wait...first you were sure it was Hustler and Vivid and now you're gathering a list? Why am I not surprised.....

I'm growing very tired of all the finger pointing without any hard facts.

You know what I'm growing tired of, Ken? You and your stupid posts. STFU. What are you gonna do? Call the internet police? Start suing affiliates and webmasters right in the middle of all this shit? Seems like your attorneys would all be busy right now working out your sweetheart deals.

Go away. Or why don't you go patent that revolutionary concept you claimed you guys came up with- raising webmaster payouts!!

doober 10-23-2003 06:29 PM

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Originally posted by BRISK
Ken, didn't Hustler and Vivid say in their joint statement that anyone who promotes them is safe from Acacia?
ya right....
at the rate they are mass snail mail spamming everyone and their dog how can they keep track of whats what anymore?

Seems like a big scam, and whats worse is they are fucking up large in a few ways

Kimmykim 10-23-2003 06:36 PM

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Originally posted by Holly

You know what I'm growing tired of, Ken? You and your stupid posts. STFU. What are you gonna do? Call the internet police? Start suing affiliates and webmasters right in the middle of all this shit? Seems like your attorneys would all be busy right now working out your sweetheart deals.

Go away. Or why don't you go patent that revolutionary concept you claimed you guys came up with- raising webmaster payouts!!


Wow, Holly.

My suggestion would be to take a step back and breathe. I've known Ken for years, as a matter of fact without him I wouldn't be here today.

And that post is out of line.

BRISK 10-23-2003 06:37 PM

Ken, Acacia is saying that even if you promote a sponsor that has settled with them, you will still need to pay fees.

This seems to be contrary to what you said in the Hustler/Vivid statement.

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As part of their settlement agreements, all FlyntDigital and VividCash affiliates are indemnified from paying Acacia fees for traffic they send to these programs.
Whats the deal? Who is right?

Giorgio_Xo 10-23-2003 06:38 PM

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Originally posted by BRISK
Ken, didn't Hustler and Vivid say in their joint statement that anyone who promotes them is safe from Acacia?
If that is true, how does Acacia know who to protect without a list?

It could mean that Hustler/Vivid licence includes a blanket coverage for all affiliates. The 2% Acacia tax is backed out of Hustler's back-end.

Mike AI 10-23-2003 06:39 PM

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Originally posted by Holly

You know what I'm growing tired of, Ken? You and your stupid posts. STFU. What are you gonna do? Call the internet police? Start suing affiliates and webmasters right in the middle of all this shit? Seems like your attorneys would all be busy right now working out your sweetheart deals.

Go away. Or why don't you go patent that revolutionary concept you claimed you guys came up with- raising webmaster payouts!!

Holly, sounds like you have an axe to grind that has nothing to do with Acacia. You trying to push some kind of agenda?

Ken has always been honest, and straight forward since day one.

SleazyDream 10-23-2003 06:40 PM

i'm inclined to believe ken.

there IS a rat but it's not ken....

I'm leaning towards matrix........

Ken 10-23-2003 06:43 PM

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Originally posted by Holly

You know what I'm growing tired of, Ken? You and your stupid posts. STFU. What are you gonna do? Call the internet police? Start suing affiliates and webmasters right in the middle of all this shit? Seems like your attorneys would all be busy right now working out your sweetheart deals.

Go away. Or why don't you go patent that revolutionary concept you claimed you guys came up with- raising webmaster payouts!!

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Not even worth responding to. Lens should charge you a fee for the space you just wasted on his board....

basschick 10-23-2003 06:44 PM

i was under the impression that hustler made a special deal in order to include its affiliates in their license.

and it's easy enough to figure out who is using hustler as their sponsor by looking at the link. if it links to hustler, viola!

BRISK 10-23-2003 06:45 PM

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Originally posted by Ken

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Not even worth responding to. Lens should charge you a fee for the space you just wasted on his board....

Forget her, answer my question.

SureFire 10-23-2003 06:49 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
i'm inclined to believe ken.

there IS a rat but it's not ken....

I'm leaning towards matrix........


Of course there is a rat but I checked my mailbox and received no letter, and I am signed up with matrix and a few others on the list.

:)

Ken 10-23-2003 06:52 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mike AI
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Holly, sounds like you have an axe to grind that has nothing to do with Acacia. You trying to push some kind of agenda?

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Mike....I was thinking the same thing. Wonder who Holly is and why she's such a hater? ;)

BRISK 10-23-2003 06:53 PM

Hellooooooooo Ken? I had a question!

Answer?

RRRED 10-23-2003 06:57 PM

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Originally posted by Holly

You know what I'm growing tired of, Ken? You and your stupid posts. STFU. What are you gonna do? Call the internet police? Start suing affiliates and webmasters right in the middle of all this shit? Seems like your attorneys would all be busy right now working out your sweetheart deals.

Go away. Or why don't you go patent that revolutionary concept you claimed you guys came up with- raising webmaster payouts!!


Ya know what I'm tired of? Patiently watching my sexy man answer Acacia posts while snuggling my cat. Can he please take a break for a bit? I need to occupy his time for about... uhm... two minutes or so ;)

http://boobiebucks.com/cat/kittyken.jpg

Ken 10-23-2003 06:58 PM

Kimmy, Sleazy, MikeAI,

Thanks for the words of support. I appreciate it!

BRISK 10-23-2003 06:59 PM

KEN, I POSTED A QUESTION

Mike AI 10-23-2003 07:00 PM

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Originally posted by Ken
Kimmy, Sleazy, MikeAI,

Thanks for the words of support. I appreciate it!

Go spend time with that bald pussy!!

:)

Ken 10-23-2003 07:01 PM

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Originally posted by BRISK
Ken, Acacia is saying that even if you promote a sponsor that has settled with them, you will still need to pay fees.

This seems to be contrary to what you said in the Hustler/Vivid statement.



Whats the deal? Who is right?

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BRISK,

Sorry....trying to do too many things at once.

For the traffic you send to Hustler or Vivid you are NOT infringing their patent. For traffic you are sending to sponsors who have not settled, you might be infringing their patent.

RRRED 10-23-2003 07:03 PM

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Originally posted by Mike AI


Go spend time with that bald pussy!!

:)

He has been!! That's the whole problem! They are becoming too close of friends I'm afraid. How bout no more bonding with the bald pussy and pay some attention to the neatly trimmed one sitting over here... *wave Ken

http://boobiebucks.com/cat/catken.jpg

Kimmykim 10-23-2003 07:03 PM

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Originally posted by Mike AI


Go spend time with that bald pussy!!

:)

You know what, that picture takes all words out of the equation.

Mike AI 10-23-2003 07:06 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim


You know what, that picture takes all words out of the equation.

I orignally had it, Go play with RRRed's bald pussy.

But her post clarified things! :1orglaugh

BRISK 10-23-2003 07:07 PM

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Originally posted by Ken

BRISK,

Sorry....trying to do too many things at once.

For the traffic you send to Hustler or Vivid you are NOT infringing their patent. For traffic you are sending to sponsors who have not settled, you might be infringing their patent.

Acacia seems to have a different opinion when you phone them. I didn't specifically mention FlyntDigital or Vivid, but they said even if I send traffic to a sponsor that has settled I am required to pay them fees.

You might want to phone Acacia and ask yourself (just don't tell them who you work for), see what they tell you.

Bladewire 10-23-2003 07:09 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim



Wow, Holly.

My suggestion would be to take a step back and breathe. I've known Ken for years, as a matter of fact without him I wouldn't be here today.

And that post is out of line.

Kimmy.. I love you sweetie .. but you're saying Holly is out of line? Were you out of line here?

http://www.leenoga.com/pix/kimmykim.gif

And you are vouching for Ken? :1orglaugh

BTW this post is not mean or spitefull in any way.. I respect Ken and Kimmy and am just puting things into perspective :)

P.S. The history of this picture can be found here

Bladewire 10-23-2003 07:12 PM

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Originally posted by RRRED



Ya know what I'm tired of? Patiently watching my sexy man answer Acacia posts while snuggling my cat. Can he please take a break for a bit? I need to occupy his time for about... uhm... two minutes or so ;)

http://boobiebucks.com/cat/kittyken.jpg

Yeah he is a sexy man allright!

daddynastee 10-23-2003 07:15 PM

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Originally posted by Squirtit


Yeah he is a sexy man allright!

Yeah! :thumbsup

Double yum!

Ken 10-23-2003 07:19 PM

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Originally posted by BRISK


Acacia seems to have a different opinion when you phone them. I didn't specifically mention FlyntDigital or Vivid, but they said even if I send traffic to a sponsor that has settled I am required to pay them fees.

You might want to phone Acacia and ask yourself (just don't tell them who you work for), see what they tell you.

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BRISK,

We actually helped LFP and Vivid negotiate the settlement agreements and I've spoken with Rob Berman on several occasions to clarify certain issues. This was one of those issues.

He told me and our contract states that our affiliates will NOT be held liable for contributing to patent infringement for the traffic they send to us.

Now, if we have an affiliate who is also sending traffic elsewhere, they could be infringing with that traffic and they could be liable for the revenue associated with that traffic.

SureFire 10-23-2003 07:20 PM

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Originally posted by Ken
Kimmy, Sleazy, MikeAI,

Thanks for the words of support. I appreciate it!


I feel left out. :( Guess, respecting your wishes to leave the companies names that you represent (which were posted on the list) and mentioning another company is not the proper way of supporting you. Oh well, :)


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