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SomeCreep · 10-23-2003, 06:13 PM

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Ken · 10-23-2003, 06:24 PM

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Originally posted by Squirtit

You know Ken sometimes finger pointing is the process of elimination.

I give you credit. You are one of the few standing here in defense of companies you work for.

There are many companies that have not posted one word in their defense.

I think Giorgio_Xo might be jumping the gun a bit but I think you are as well. You don't need to say "I'm gonna sue you if you talk bad about me" for people to know where you're coming from. A lot of people feel like they're drowning and don't need more threats when they come up for air.

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Squirtit,

I understand your point, but finger pointing can be harmful and dangerous if it's done irresponsibly. It's one thing to say "It's possible that Hustler did it because they were one of the companies who settled". It's totally different to say that we DID do it with no facts, no proof...just assumptions.

Fletch XXX made that assumption last night, but we resolved our dispute very quickly because he was smart enough to double check his facts and then had the balls to apologize after he found out that things didn't add up.

I didn't threaten to sue anyone. I just asked for an apology and a retraction unless he could prove his accusations (which I know he can't because I personally have control over the affiliate databases of Hustler and Vivid).

This is a hot issue for everyone involved and I would be beyond pissed if someone shared my personal or company info with another company, so I understand why everyone is so hot.

However, we have a long history of being honest and treating our affiliates well, so I don't like being accused of something that is totally false.

BRISK · 10-23-2003, 06:26 PM

Ken, didn't Hustler and Vivid say in their joint statement that anyone who promotes them is safe from Acacia?

Holly · 10-23-2003, 06:29 PM

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Originally posted by Ken

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Wait...first you were sure it was Hustler and Vivid and now you're gathering a list? Why am I not surprised.....

I'm growing very tired of all the finger pointing without any hard facts.

You know what I'm growing tired of, Ken? You and your stupid posts. STFU. What are you gonna do? Call the internet police? Start suing affiliates and webmasters right in the middle of all this shit? Seems like your attorneys would all be busy right now working out your sweetheart deals.

Go away. Or why don't you go patent that revolutionary concept you claimed you guys came up with- raising webmaster payouts!!

doober · 10-23-2003, 06:29 PM

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Originally posted by BRISK
Ken, didn't Hustler and Vivid say in their joint statement that anyone who promotes them is safe from Acacia?

ya right....
at the rate they are mass snail mail spamming everyone and their dog how can they keep track of whats what anymore?

Seems like a big scam, and whats worse is they are fucking up large in a few ways

Kimmykim · 10-23-2003, 06:36 PM

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Originally posted by Holly

You know what I'm growing tired of, Ken? You and your stupid posts. STFU. What are you gonna do? Call the internet police? Start suing affiliates and webmasters right in the middle of all this shit? Seems like your attorneys would all be busy right now working out your sweetheart deals.

Go away. Or why don't you go patent that revolutionary concept you claimed you guys came up with- raising webmaster payouts!!

Wow, Holly.

My suggestion would be to take a step back and breathe. I've known Ken for years, as a matter of fact without him I wouldn't be here today.

And that post is out of line.

BRISK · 10-23-2003, 06:37 PM

Ken, Acacia is saying that even if you promote a sponsor that has settled with them, you will still need to pay fees.

This seems to be contrary to what you said in the Hustler/Vivid statement.

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As part of their settlement agreements, all FlyntDigital and VividCash affiliates are indemnified from paying Acacia fees for traffic they send to these programs.

Whats the deal? Who is right?

Giorgio_Xo · 10-23-2003, 06:38 PM

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Originally posted by BRISK
Ken, didn't Hustler and Vivid say in their joint statement that anyone who promotes them is safe from Acacia?

If that is true, how does Acacia know who to protect without a list?

It could mean that Hustler/Vivid licence includes a blanket coverage for all affiliates. The 2% Acacia tax is backed out of Hustler's back-end.

Mike AI · 10-23-2003, 06:39 PM

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Originally posted by Holly

You know what I'm growing tired of, Ken? You and your stupid posts. STFU. What are you gonna do? Call the internet police? Start suing affiliates and webmasters right in the middle of all this shit? Seems like your attorneys would all be busy right now working out your sweetheart deals.

Go away. Or why don't you go patent that revolutionary concept you claimed you guys came up with- raising webmaster payouts!!

Holly, sounds like you have an axe to grind that has nothing to do with Acacia. You trying to push some kind of agenda?

Ken has always been honest, and straight forward since day one.

SleazyDream · 10-23-2003, 06:40 PM

i'm inclined to believe ken.

there IS a rat but it's not ken....

I'm leaning towards matrix........

Ken · 10-23-2003, 06:43 PM

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Originally posted by Holly

You know what I'm growing tired of, Ken? You and your stupid posts. STFU. What are you gonna do? Call the internet police? Start suing affiliates and webmasters right in the middle of all this shit? Seems like your attorneys would all be busy right now working out your sweetheart deals.

Go away. Or why don't you go patent that revolutionary concept you claimed you guys came up with- raising webmaster payouts!!

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Not even worth responding to. Lens should charge you a fee for the space you just wasted on his board....

basschick · 10-23-2003, 06:44 PM

i was under the impression that hustler made a special deal in order to include its affiliates in their license.

and it's easy enough to figure out who is using hustler as their sponsor by looking at the link. if it links to hustler, viola!

BRISK · 10-23-2003, 06:45 PM

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Originally posted by Ken

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Not even worth responding to. Lens should charge you a fee for the space you just wasted on his board....

Forget her, answer my question.

SureFire · 10-23-2003, 06:49 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
i'm inclined to believe ken.

there IS a rat but it's not ken....

I'm leaning towards matrix........

Of course there is a rat but I checked my mailbox and received no letter, and I am signed up with matrix and a few others on the list.

Ken · 10-23-2003, 06:52 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mike AI
[B]

Holly, sounds like you have an axe to grind that has nothing to do with Acacia. You trying to push some kind of agenda?

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Mike....I was thinking the same thing. Wonder who Holly is and why she's such a hater? ;)

BRISK · 10-23-2003, 06:53 PM

Hellooooooooo Ken? I had a question!

Answer?

RRRED · 10-23-2003, 06:57 PM

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Originally posted by Holly

You know what I'm growing tired of, Ken? You and your stupid posts. STFU. What are you gonna do? Call the internet police? Start suing affiliates and webmasters right in the middle of all this shit? Seems like your attorneys would all be busy right now working out your sweetheart deals.

Go away. Or why don't you go patent that revolutionary concept you claimed you guys came up with- raising webmaster payouts!!

Ya know what I'm tired of? Patiently watching my sexy man answer Acacia posts while snuggling my cat. Can he please take a break for a bit? I need to occupy his time for about... uhm... two minutes or so ;)

Ken · 10-23-2003, 06:58 PM

Kimmy, Sleazy, MikeAI,

Thanks for the words of support. I appreciate it!

BRISK · 10-23-2003, 06:59 PM

KEN, I POSTED A QUESTION

Mike AI · 10-23-2003, 07:00 PM

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Originally posted by Ken
Kimmy, Sleazy, MikeAI,

Thanks for the words of support. I appreciate it!

Go spend time with that bald pussy!!

Ken · 10-23-2003, 07:01 PM

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Originally posted by BRISK
Ken, Acacia is saying that even if you promote a sponsor that has settled with them, you will still need to pay fees.

This seems to be contrary to what you said in the Hustler/Vivid statement.

Whats the deal? Who is right?

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BRISK,

Sorry....trying to do too many things at once.

For the traffic you send to Hustler or Vivid you are NOT infringing their patent. For traffic you are sending to sponsors who have not settled, you might be infringing their patent.

RRRED · 10-23-2003, 07:03 PM

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Originally posted by Mike AI

Go spend time with that bald pussy!!

He has been!! That's the whole problem! They are becoming too close of friends I'm afraid. How bout no more bonding with the bald pussy and pay some attention to the neatly trimmed one sitting over here... *wave Ken

Kimmykim · 10-23-2003, 07:03 PM

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Originally posted by Mike AI

Go spend time with that bald pussy!!

You know what, that picture takes all words out of the equation.

Mike AI · 10-23-2003, 07:06 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim

You know what, that picture takes all words out of the equation.

I orignally had it, Go play with RRRed's bald pussy.

But her post clarified things!

BRISK · 10-23-2003, 07:07 PM

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Originally posted by Ken

BRISK,

Sorry....trying to do too many things at once.

For the traffic you send to Hustler or Vivid you are NOT infringing their patent. For traffic you are sending to sponsors who have not settled, you might be infringing their patent.

Acacia seems to have a different opinion when you phone them. I didn't specifically mention FlyntDigital or Vivid, but they said even if I send traffic to a sponsor that has settled I am required to pay them fees.

You might want to phone Acacia and ask yourself (just don't tell them who you work for), see what they tell you.

Bladewire · 10-23-2003, 07:09 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim

Wow, Holly.

My suggestion would be to take a step back and breathe. I've known Ken for years, as a matter of fact without him I wouldn't be here today.

And that post is out of line.

Kimmy.. I love you sweetie .. but you're saying Holly is out of line? Were you out of line here?

And you are vouching for Ken?

BTW this post is not mean or spitefull in any way.. I respect Ken and Kimmy and am just puting things into perspective

P.S. The history of this picture can be found here

Bladewire · 10-23-2003, 07:12 PM

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Originally posted by RRRED

Ya know what I'm tired of? Patiently watching my sexy man answer Acacia posts while snuggling my cat. Can he please take a break for a bit? I need to occupy his time for about... uhm... two minutes or so ;)

Yeah he is a sexy man allright!

daddynastee · 10-23-2003, 07:15 PM

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Originally posted by Squirtit

Yeah he is a sexy man allright!

Yeah!

Double yum!

Ken · 10-23-2003, 07:19 PM

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Originally posted by BRISK

Acacia seems to have a different opinion when you phone them. I didn't specifically mention FlyntDigital or Vivid, but they said even if I send traffic to a sponsor that has settled I am required to pay them fees.

You might want to phone Acacia and ask yourself (just don't tell them who you work for), see what they tell you.

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BRISK,

We actually helped LFP and Vivid negotiate the settlement agreements and I've spoken with Rob Berman on several occasions to clarify certain issues. This was one of those issues.

He told me and our contract states that our affiliates will NOT be held liable for contributing to patent infringement for the traffic they send to us.

Now, if we have an affiliate who is also sending traffic elsewhere, they could be infringing with that traffic and they could be liable for the revenue associated with that traffic.

SureFire · 10-23-2003, 07:20 PM

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Originally posted by Ken
Kimmy, Sleazy, MikeAI,

Thanks for the words of support. I appreciate it!

I feel left out.

Guess, respecting your wishes to leave the companies names that you represent (which were posted on the list) and mentioning another company is not the proper way of supporting you. Oh well,

Hammer · 10-23-2003, 07:34 PM

Not that I'm pointing any fingers here but I used to be an affiliate of a program called Matrix Bucks that doesn't exist anymore.

Ken · 10-23-2003, 07:35 PM

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Originally posted by SureFire

I feel left out. Guess, respecting your wishes to leave the companies names that you represent (which were posted on the list) and mentioning another company is not the proper way of supporting you. Oh well,

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SureFire,

Sorry.....missed that. .........thank you too!

Ken · 10-23-2003, 07:39 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Squirtit
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No Kimmy.....THAT picture says it all!

Looks like you guys had way to much fun on that Island. Sorry I missed it!

EZRhino · 10-23-2003, 07:41 PM

Holly · 10-23-2003, 07:50 PM

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Originally posted by Ken

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Not even worth responding to. Lens should charge you a fee for the space you just wasted on his board....

I'm not advertising for anyone nor do I have any agenda. You know your company is going to come under fire when webmasters names/info are being given out by someone, and you're one of the ones listed in the letters everyone are getting. I don't know who's doing it, and neither do alot of people at the moment. Probably more than one, I would imagine.

I'm sorry if I sounded harsh, but demanding apologies from webmasters right now seems ridiculous to me. I also know Giorgio isn't the only one who came to the same conclusions. I had two people yesterday swear to me that their info matched with Hustler. "Finger pointing" isn't nearly as stressful as what some smaller webmasters are facing right now. I'm sure it's just a drop in the bucket for you, but for some of us if this plays out the way Acacia is hoping it will, it's going to be a nightmare.

I have no clue if your company is involved. But even if you're not, at least for the next few days until everyone gets through opening their surprises why not leave it be, or just state that it's definitely not you? I doubt you'll have many people lined up to issue you, or any of the other names in those letters, apologies until this latest round settles. A lot of people are scrambling for answers right now, which makes it even more infuriating when people claim they know where it's coming from, but won't tell.

However, I'll be happy to tell I'm sorry for telling you to stfu. That was rude and unnecessary. I'm not in the best of moods about this today. If you still want to answer a question from me then tell me this- Do you have any idea who's releasing our info? OR- Do you know but for whatever reason you can't say?

SureFire · 10-23-2003, 08:00 PM

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Originally posted by Ken

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SureFire,

Sorry.....missed that. .........thank you too!

Ken · 10-23-2003, 08:10 PM

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Originally posted by Holly

I'm not advertising for anyone nor do I have any agenda. You know your company is going to come under fire when webmasters names/info are being given out by someone, and you're one of the ones listed in the letters everyone are getting. I don't know who's doing it, and neither do alot of people at the moment. Probably more than one, I would imagine.

I'm sorry if I sounded harsh, but demanding apologies from webmasters right now seems ridiculous to me. I also know Giorgio isn't the only one who came to the same conclusions. I had two people yesterday swear to me that their info matched with Hustler. "Finger pointing" isn't nearly as stressful as what some smaller webmasters are facing right now. I'm sure it's just a drop in the bucket for you, but for some of us if this plays out the way Acacia is hoping it will, it's going to be a nightmare.

I have no clue if your company is involved. But even if you're not, at least for the next few days until everyone gets through opening their surprises why not leave it be, or just state that it's definitely not you? I doubt you'll have many people lined up to issue you, or any of the other names in those letters, apologies until this latest round settles. A lot of people are scrambling for answers right now, which makes it even more infuriating when people claim they know where it's coming from, but won't tell.

However, I'll be happy to tell I'm sorry for telling you to stfu. That was rude and unnecessary. I'm not in the best of moods about this today. If you still want to answer a question from me then tell me this- Do you have any idea who's releasing our info? OR- Do you know but for whatever reason you can't say?

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Holly,

The only thing that bothered me is someone stating it as if were fact. If someone suspected that it was us, that's fine. However, if someone flat out accused you of something that was not true, you would be upset too. It's not a matter of money, but rather principle.

That being said, thank you for apologizing.

To answer your questions.

No, I have no idea who, if anyone is releasing info. The first I heard of it was right here on GFY.

If someone is giving up affiliate information, they SHOULD be boycotted by affiliates forever. I think we can all agree on that.

I'm off to dinner with my sweetie.....she's been very patient! But I'll be back in a while to answer any other questions, etc

Bladewire · 10-23-2003, 08:18 PM

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Originally posted by Ken
1) No, I have no idea who, if anyone is releasing info.

2)The first I heard of it was right here on GFY.

1) IF anyone is releasing info? It must be our imagination then.

2) Your welcome

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