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10-22-2003, 05:06 PM

Im getting out, bargain basement sale of all my sites. Good chance for someone to pick up a complete site set and affiliate program plus some other stuff to play with.

http://www.teenpromote.com/sale.txt

email [email protected] if interested. Im going away for a few days, will only have email so please respond via email. I wont be reading the board after tonight until next week. I'll sell to the best offer before Monday.
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10-22-2003, 10:30 PM

I think you had best look very closely at the license you bought from me, it is not transferable.

You do not have the license to sell my content.

Anyone considering buying these sites had best check out all the content licenses, will probably find they are not transferable.

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10-22-2003, 10:33 PM

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10-22-2003, 10:35 PM

Originally posted by charly
I think you had best look very closely at the license you bought from me, it is not transferable.

You do not have the license to sell my content.

Anyone considering buying these sites had best check out all the content licenses, will probably find they are not transferable.

Damn that sucks, for both the seller and the ones that maybe wanna buy, is this true? If so why do people keep buying content that is not transferrable? Because it is so cheap?
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10-22-2003, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by charly
I think you had best look very closely at the license you bought from me, it is not transferable.

You do not have the license to sell my content.

Anyone considering buying these sites had best check out all the content licenses, will probably find they are not transferable.

this nevered made any sense to me, the content was bought for the domain....etc.. wtf does it matter who the owner is..

when i read cannot be resold i think that i cant take that content and sell it to him, and him, and him etc.

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10-22-2003, 10:41 PM

too bad about the content issues. looks like the package is worth the $5500. i glanced around...looks kinda like a fixer-upper project but doesn't seem like it would take more than a couple months to recoup the investment.

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10-22-2003, 10:48 PM

Let's explain. A license is just that, the purchaser is buying a license to put the content on HIS site. It clearly states in the contract that is is not transferable. Otherwise we have no control over it.

If someone wants to buy the content with the right to resell it they can do so, but not at the price that does not include this option.

What if someone decided to sell a password to a paysite? I suggest you read licenses before you buy anything.

What if it was sold to site A with 1,000 members. Who decided to sell to to a guy who was pushing 100,000 through the site every month?

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10-22-2003, 11:05 PM

that news article is mad funny...australia wouldnt allow that site...LOL

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10-22-2003, 11:11 PM

Originally posted by charly
Let's explain. A license is just that, the purchaser is buying a license to put the content on HIS site. It clearly states in the contract that is is not transferable. Otherwise we have no control over it.

If someone wants to buy the content with the right to resell it they can do so, but not at the price that does not include this option.

What if someone decided to sell a password to a paysite? I suggest you read licenses before you buy anything.

What if it was sold to site A with 1,000 members. Who decided to sell to to a guy who was pushing 100,000 through the site every month?

Do you charge more if my site has 100k members vs it having 1k members for the same photo set?

If you do then I can see why you can't transfer ownership, otherwise I think you should re-write your terms to allow this.
So long as the content goes with the url and is not displayed elsewhere it shouldn't matter. It was paid for.
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10-22-2003, 11:37 PM

Originally posted by charly
I think you had best look very closely at the license you bought from me, it is not transferable.

You do not have the license to sell my content.

Anyone considering buying these sites had best check out all the content licenses, will probably find they are not transferable.

Thats fucking garbage. I can see maybe reselling the content but if its staying on the same domain what is the problem?

I thought most content providers sell licenses based on domains.
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10-22-2003, 11:41 PM

I love a content provider that is a jerk..

I wouldnt buy your content if you were the last person on earth..thats weak..ruin a guys sale by threatening him..nice biz approach..

I own all the fresh photos, tons of matrix, tons of david lace, everyone that ran specials recently..and proudly..

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10-22-2003, 11:43 PM

God forbid you email him on the side and tell him new owner would need to rebuy your content..

ruin his thread instead..

what a jack ass
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10-22-2003, 11:45 PM

What if the buyer of the content is a Corp, or even a DBA and someone buys a majority share in the corp or takes over the business? License no good then?

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10-22-2003, 11:51 PM

Originally posted by charly
I think you had best look very closely at the license you bought from me, it is not transferable.

You do not have the license to sell my content.

Anyone considering buying these sites had best check out all the content licenses, will probably find they are not transferable.

God you're a fucking asshole. Someone just suggested that I take a look at your content and stock up. Fuck that. I'll deal with people that aren't total pricks.
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10-22-2003, 11:54 PM

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what a jack ass

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10-22-2003, 11:56 PM

Originally posted by twistyneck
God you're a fucking asshole. Someone just suggested that I take a look at your content and stock up. Fuck that. I'll deal with people that aren't total pricks.

So basically you are saying charly is an asshole just because he protects his content? I don't think he sleeps a minute less if you start shouting that you are going to buy your content somewhere else.
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10-22-2003, 11:59 PM

Originally posted by charly
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What if it was sold to site A with 1,000 members. Who decided to sell to to a guy who was pushing 100,000 through the site every month?

Your licences are your licenses and you can obviously set the terms of such, however, that example simply retarded, Charly!

(before we start a new battle between us *READ* I said "THAT EXAMPLE IS SIMPLY RETARDED" not "YOU ARE RETARDED" LOL

They're not using any of your bandwith like a plugin or feed would.

I can see limiting it to the domain(s) origially allowed in the license and maybe an additional fee for more domains, but c'mon, dude - be reasonable
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10-23-2003, 12:06 AM

It should be licensed to the domain. Otherwise it's like toyota getting a cut everytime a used car is sold. I mean he's selling his business not reselling charly's content, charly is not affected at all - not one more set of his content "gets out" But it's in the license.. so it's just the way it is.
Charly should probably have approached him privately to take a cut of the sale proceeds. This way he's not even going to get a cut of the money if his content is dropped.
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10-23-2003, 02:01 AM

Originally posted by uproared
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You gotta love when people try to sell things and without disclosing the deal's "current events".

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10-23-2003, 02:06 AM

Originally posted by charly
Let's explain. A license is just that, the purchaser is buying a license to put the content on HIS site. It clearly states in the contract that is is not transferable. Otherwise we have no control over it.

If someone wants to buy the content with the right to resell it they can do so, but not at the price that does not include this option.

What if someone decided to sell a password to a paysite? I suggest you read licenses before you buy anything.

What if it was sold to site A with 1,000 members. Who decided to sell to to a guy who was pushing 100,000 through the site every month?

Charly you're taking an approach that will kill your future sales.

If a corp has assets and new shareholders take over the corp. the claim you're stating that the new owners would need to rebuy the content is absurd.

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10-23-2003, 02:06 AM

www.teenager.com.au is a total fucking rip-off from payserves clubseventeen.com

Somebody contact them..... on some pages even the colour scheme is stolen from them.

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10-23-2003, 02:11 AM

Originally posted by charly
I think you had best look very closely at the license you bought from me, it is not transferable.

You do not have the license to sell my content.

Anyone considering buying these sites had best check out all the content licenses, will probably find they are not transferable.

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10-23-2003, 02:13 AM

Originally posted by makefuckingmoney
I love a content provider that is a jerk..

I wouldnt buy your content if you were the last person on earth..thats weak..ruin a guys sale by threatening him..nice biz approach..

I own all the fresh photos, tons of matrix, tons of david lace, everyone that ran specials recently..and proudly..

none of charly's!

Where have you been? I made that decision like two years ago.

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10-23-2003, 02:19 AM

even Matrix lets you transfer to a new owner when you sell the domain.
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10-23-2003, 02:27 AM

Let's explain. A license is just that, the purchaser is buying a license to put the content on HIS site. It clearly states in the contract that is is not transferable. Otherwise we have no control over it.

I must bookmark your site and remember never to buy content from you!

Anyway you are wrong, if that business bought that content and those domains are a business on there own, it wouldnt matter who owned the business the content would still be licenced. A business is a business a business is not the person who works at the business or even owns the business

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10-23-2003, 02:28 AM

Originally posted by TheViper

So basically you are saying charly is an asshole just because he protects his content? I don't think he sleeps a minute less if you start shouting that you are going to buy your content somewhere else.

You must know me.

The license is what he bought and it says it's not transferable. If he had come to us and said he wanted to sell the site I would of made a deal. No he does not bother to read the license he just goes straight ahead and sells. And I get blamed for not contacting HIM privately.

As for the Toyata example, try renting a car from Hertz and transferring the rental.

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You have a point and if you look at the sales of corp's you will see they sell what they own and not what they rent.

You all want great content, cheap prices and it not all over the Internet. Can we make a living in their as well?

makefuckingmoney, spaceage, twistyneck Mind if I do not lose sleep over you not buying from me? I make my decisons based on what I think I should do, not what you think I should do.

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10-23-2003, 02:34 AM

Originally posted by charly

makefuckingmoney, spaceage, twistyneck Mind if I do not lose sleep over you not buying from me? I make my decisons based on what I think I should do, not what you think I should do.

It's Space<B>Ace</B> and you may not be losing sleep but you are losing money. If you like it that way, fine by me.

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10-23-2003, 02:35 AM

Originally posted by charly
You must know me

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10-23-2003, 02:38 AM

makefuckingmoney, spaceage, twistyneck Mind if I do not lose sleep over you not buying from me? I make my decisons based on what I think I should do, not what you think I should do.

Makes no different what you think, law is law, if a business changes shareholders or workers, its still the same business, if that business is sold to different shareholders that content is still licenced to that business, your opinion makes no difference, that content is still licenced to that business nothing changes

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10-23-2003, 02:44 AM

Originally posted by makefuckingmoney
I love a content provider that is a jerk..

I wouldnt buy your content if you were the last person on earth..thats weak..ruin a guys sale by threatening him..nice biz approach..

I own all the fresh photos, tons of matrix, tons of david lace, everyone that ran specials recently..and proudly..

none of charly's!

Matrix Content is not transferrable either

Most of the biggest stores dont allow it either
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10-23-2003, 02:48 AM

Originally posted by jovigirl

Matrix Content is not transferrable either

Yes it is. I've done it.
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10-23-2003, 03:00 AM

Originally posted by charly

As for the Toyata example, try renting a car from Hertz and transferring the rental.

what would be the problem with that? if my company rents a car and I sell the company the car is still being rented by the company, all they'd have to change would be license numbers of the drivers for insurance and you'd be ready to go.
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10-23-2003, 03:05 AM

Originally posted by KRL

You gotta love when people try to sell things and without disclosing the deal's "current events".

"February 2, 2000" not exactly current.
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10-23-2003, 03:05 AM

what would be the problem with that? if my company rents a car and I sell the company the car is still being rented by the company, all they'd have to change would be license numbers of the drivers for insurance and you'd be ready to go.

Correct!

When I buy content for our company, if I leave cant they still use it? Of course they can. When they rent a car if I leave cant they still use it? Of course they can.

Hes not selling your content hes selling the business, its got nothing to do with you and you cant do a thing about it

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10-23-2003, 03:07 AM

Originally posted by Johny Traffic

Correct!

When I buy content for our company, if I leave cant they still use it? Of course they can. When they rent a car if I leave cant they still use it? Of course they can.

Hes not selling your content hes selling the business, its got nothing to do with you and you cant do a thing about it
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10-23-2003, 03:11 AM

if it's explicitly stated in his license then there's plenty he can do about it.
The lesson is just to read your license, do exclusive or shoot your own.
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10-23-2003, 03:13 AM

there are plenty of other content providers - no one's forcing people to use non buyer friendly licenses.
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10-23-2003, 03:16 AM

if it's explicitly stated in his license then there's plenty he can do about it.

In his licence it says a company cant change employees or shareholders if they do the licence becomes invalid?

Not everyone works in their bedrooms there are real businesses here too

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10-23-2003, 03:20 AM

Originally posted by bhutocracy
if it's explicitly stated in his license then there's plenty he can do about it.
The lesson is just to read your license, do exclusive or shoot your own.

No that's not the lesson.

If the license was granted to a business the business would retain rights to the content despite a change in ownership. For god's sake why would someone enter a content licensing agreement as an individual.

The lesson is treat your business as a business.

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10-23-2003, 03:23 AM

Originally posted by broke

No that's not the lesson.

If the license was granted to a business the business would retain rights to the content despite a change in ownership. For god's sake why would someone enter a content licensing agreement as an individual.

The lesson is treat your business as a business.

ok well.. thats another one.
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10-23-2003, 03:25 AM

Originally posted by bhutocracy

what would be the problem with that? if my company rents a car and I sell the company the car is still being rented by the company, all they'd have to change would be license numbers of the drivers for insurance and you'd be ready to go.

So what you are saying is you would have to go to Hertz and sort it out. Sounds fine to me thanks for agreeing.

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10-23-2003, 03:27 AM

Originally posted by charly
So what you are saying is you would have to go to Hertz and sort it out. Sounds fine to me thanks for agreeing.

no I would just have to change info not pay again, and thats only because of their insurance - they wouldn't get any more or less money.
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10-23-2003, 03:28 AM

Originally posted by charly
I think you had best look very closely at the license you bought from me, it is not transferable.

You do not have the license to sell my content.

Anyone considering buying these sites had best check out all the content licenses, will probably find they are not transferable.

Why do you have such an license ?
What if he sells his name along with the sale then it's ok.
Just like a company.

Usally we setup a bunch of URLs along with the license.
If the pix is still on the url what different does it make if it's
not the guy fromt he start anymore ?

Here's a TIP when you sell a site:

Sell everything BUT you keep your name on the license
and you are a non profit partner for life without any
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10-23-2003, 03:29 AM

Originally posted by jeroman

Why do you have such an license ?
What if he sells his name along with the sale then it's ok.
Just like a company.

Usally we setup a bunch of URLs along with the license.
If the pix is still on the url what different does it make if it's
not the guy fromt he start anymore ?

Here's a TIP when you sell a site:

Sell everything BUT you keep your name on the license
and you are a non profit partner for life without any
responsibilities regarding anything.

or like broke said, just use your business.
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10-23-2003, 03:29 AM

No that's not the lesson.

f the license was granted to a business the business would retain rights to the content despite a change in ownership. For god's sake why would someone enter a content licensing agreement as an individual.

The lesson is treat your business as a business.

Exactly! People here need to learn about business practice before posting.

So what you are saying is you would have to go to Hertz and sort it out. Sounds fine to me thanks for agreeing.

Youve obviously never rented a car, we have 5 cars on lease here, when someone leaves you think we phone up the leasing company?

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10-23-2003, 03:31 AM

Originally posted by Johny Traffic

Exactly! People here need to learn about business practice before posting.

that was kinda implicit in "reading the license" but whatever.
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10-23-2003, 03:35 AM

Originally posted by broke

No that's not the lesson.

If the license was granted to a business the business would retain rights to the content despite a change in ownership. For god's sake why would someone enter a content licensing agreement as an individual.

The lesson is treat your business as a business.

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10-23-2003, 03:37 AM

I had a brief conversation with Matrix regarding selling pre-made tours with their content and they said it was fine so long as the buyer was registered with Matrix so they could KEEP TRACK OF who had their content. They made no mention of additional fees of any type.

And on business in general...falling back on "it says it's not transferable [in your license]" is silly. You wrote it. You can save your business by changing it. My terms of service say that I will not work without a 50% deposit. But guess what? I might if I know you and if I don't ...well ...it might be more
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10-23-2003, 03:38 AM

Originally posted by charly
So what you are saying is you would have to go to Hertz and sort it out. Sounds fine to me thanks for agreeing.

Charly stop being a dumb fuck man. You aren't renting the fucking content for a monthly fee like a hertz rental

What is your problem with the content staying with the domain? It isn't exposing the content any more than it currently is. You have the reasoning of an old goat mate

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