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I saw something bad happen today.
I watched a well respected company disrespect a little guy in a public forum.
The little guy in question was more than resonable yet the big bad wolves felt they needed to show their teeth rather than swallow some pride. I may fuck off a lot on these boards but when I am wrong, at least I have the balls to admit it and make corrections if and when they are needed. |
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I AM WEB 2.0
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I think he means Juicy
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specifics please.
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10-21-2003, 04:30 PM
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I am watching.
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10-21-2003, 04:31 PM
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come on! ..... more 'juicy' details!
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10-21-2003, 04:35 PM
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Why do you call Lensman a "little guy" ?
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If this thread is gonna get " Juicy " I think that have popcorn left!!!
And AARon, I have seen that done so many times !!!
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10-21-2003, 04:56 PM
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visit hardlinks.org
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10-21-2003, 05:00 PM
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who the fuck cares you whiner
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10-21-2003, 05:08 PM
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The sharks picture would be appropriate now.
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10-21-2003, 05:13 PM
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Aaron as you know we tend to see things very similar most of the time.
If this is about "today on a very special GFY extended episode" IF I get asked to get punched in the face and someone does I should not act surprised....at all. A thread was started creating the episode all of which could have been done just as easily in private. A contract is a contract....sometimes if you have a good relationship a contract can be negotiated away...now I have no idea about who said what to whom when or where... I do know that a contract is a contract and if you call out someone publicly be prepared to take on the baggage that comes along with it. I saw a young guy today step into the ring and got his ears boxed back a little....if the matter was that sensitive the resolve should have been done privately...shit outside and the fly's will come. Looks like the guy worked it out....as far as a big guy "picking"" on the little guy....I have to say you reap what you sew... |
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One thing i must say is that this contract would have been easily shot to shit. Second this wasnt between me and a BIG COMPANY per se it was between me and a employee of that company. This employee did not realize how to treat people or potential customers Jim i invite you to talk to your biggest customer as this employee did to me and the way I was treated and I will bet my life that customer of your would be out the door in 2 secs. Last but not least there is much more to this story than what was mentioned and I am sure if you or anyone else knew the exact details your opinion would change. Yes I agree isaid things out of anger I am not denying that, yes contract was faxed over, I am not denying that. This employee could have addressed this situation in adifferent manner rather than using the big bosses name to coerce me into rethinking into signing fearing the big boss would chase me down. |
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10-21-2003, 05:20 PM
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ummmm....disregard my above post if that be the case. I feel better anyway |
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10-21-2003, 05:25 PM
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I just woke up and found out my sig is toooooo big.
I demand a recount.  
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I'm not an attorney and I don't pretend to know contract law...Just currious. For the record, this thread is not about what most people seem to think it is about. |
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10-21-2003, 05:40 PM
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AaronM what are u going on about hey? lets rewind 2 years when i was just a newbie and went to u for content, u treated me like shit even though i wanted exclusive content, i even paid u and it took weeks for the content to arrive, weeks past the proper date it was due. I even got abusive emails from u (which u claimed was from friends).
So do not get on ur high horse about how others treat people when ur just as bad urself...
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I didn't take this to the boards, you did. You also dragged Lensman into this with your post. This didn't involve him until you came to the board. I tried to get you to ICQ me to discuss, and your EXACT words to poppy were... "tell him to wait I'll get to him when I ready, ok" I told you the contract was terminated, and not to expect to do business with us again. I also told you no money was due. Does anyone think I would turn away the offer of a settlement? Again, your choice to go to the boards. Your choice to go back on your word. Your choice to threaten our staff with violence to get your way. Your choice to hang the telephone up on me. Your choice to scream and yell. Your choice not to work this out professionally. Now it's your choice to keep this going. Sleep in the bed you make. You can send your apology to [email protected] this is the last thing I am going to say on this subject publicly. P.S. Sorry for the hijack AaronM, feel free to jack one of my threads some day.
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Ray GO FUCK YOURSELF ASSHOLE You know god damb exactly what the fuck happened OK Keep on running your fucking mouth and adding BS to this OK YOU WANT AN APOLGY KNOW???? Dont wait by youer email box buddy cause it willnever get there CEO ? GReat man great way the CEO treats people You want to lay to this to rest or keep on going??? I had close to 15 og your fucking customers messaging me ready to jump ship with you but oput of respect for LENS i didnt tell them to. So your apology is up my fucking ass come and get it |
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You want to talk about shitty business practices? OK...Here goes.... Darren contacted me and asked me to shoot a series of sexual positions for him. We agreed on a price and the SPECIFIC model that would be used. Darren then sends me a book with positions that can only be done with specific props. Something that he failed to mention when we made our deal. The SPECIFIC model that Darren wanted decided to get out of the business and not directly inform me or bother to cancel the shoot. I tried for quite awhile to contact her and finally got Darren to agree on another model. To make up for the changes and delays, I asked Darren what he would like in order for him to be happy. I offered a refund among other options. He asked for some additional photo sets and he got everything he asked for. The purpose of ME asking HIM what he wanted was to ensure that my client was as happy as I could possible make him. Darren has since come to my defence when another client attacked me. At other times Darren has posted about the experience and even gone so far as to list me in his "Hall of Shame" even though I lost money on the deal in order to keep him happy. Now you have the stupidity to post this bullshit here? Anybody want proof? This is the first time he came to the board. As you can see....He did not continue the thread. This is because I contacted him right away and made him happy. http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ighlight=Aaron Here is his "Hall of Fame" list and where he admits that I did extra work free of charge. http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ighlight=Aaron Every other content provider that I have discussed this with has told me that I was more than fair. Several of them even gave me very similar stories about how unreasonable you are. Tell me again why in the hell I took a loss on that shoot and provide you with additional exclusive content PER YOUR REQUEST, if that was not enough to make you happy? |
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10-21-2003, 05:58 PM
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Big or small, breaching contract isn't right.
But this country has a very libral return policy.
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hahhaha drama my arse....
if only i had the icq conversations.... let me see it took u three months to produce a sex position shoot which was meant to be done in 2 weeks... when u mention props u mean stuff like "chairs" and "beds"... not exactly state of the art extras is it??? What u then sent me was an half finished sex position guide with 2 fat mingers attempting to replicate a sex position on the bed (state of the art prop). I couldn't even use the set I had to get the kind people at fantasycontent to do it all over again, they actually did a good job... U remember like 1.5 months after the job was meant to be done i emailed uand received 4 emails back with abuse.. apparently not from u but ur friends who got access to ur computer.. Yes u offered me free sets and i took them, does it make up for a botched job and 2 months late work i couldn't even use??? NO it does not.... Because i was a newbie u treated me like shit... just like u was saying the big players on this board did earlier... i was simply pointing out that it is the "pot calling the kettle black" when u did the same thing to me some 2 years ago..
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Juicy...
I hope this is not taken wrong...my disappontment today was that you made an err in judgement in going to the mats in public. You have done a masterful job in promoting your personal which has inevitably resulted in a jump in business for you. In terms of the contact signing....it is hard to make any sort of objective sideline call. I am sure you know that our clients sign agreements and sometimes they get buyers remorse...very rarely do contracts get ripped up...in fact never that I can think of. I know that I have made some bad deals that I regretted and I have seen it happen many many times before. I hope when I told you to "shut the fuck up" today you see that I was simply trying to get my message across that sometimes remaining silent can get far more accomplished. We have all tripped up and pissed people off. Hell I was in the face of an icon that is one of the front line generals of the largest adult company on the planet... it was in Vegas some years back on the Patio of the Foundation room..I was hammered and just acting like a dick head Saturday we laughed about it in the box at the Staples center watching Kings and Bruins (amazing game B's came back for a 4-3 win) the point is take this...learn from it...and let it strengthen your business skills... your character...and your position in the community time heals...In vegas by the Jupiter boys a round...that probably seems unfathomable right now but it will be $100.00 well spent in January. I am glad to see you are calmed down and still in the game bro.... Do the right thing...you will not go wrong |
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Aaron has explained some of the difficulties with the situation with you, in what seemed to be a fairly unbiased way, as well, from my judgement. Do you really have ANY idea of what all can be involved in a photoshoot? Especially when models don't show up or are uncooperative? He didn't have to do SHIT for you.. and I'll tell you one thing, the majority of people WOULD NOT have done so. Just my |
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As I said man I rarely have any beef with people. Been here for about 3 years and you will never get anyone to say anyhting such as "Juicy scammed me or Juicy ripped me off" Error in judgement and also reactions based on anger I agree my fault on that part. I tried to make amends , I apologized for my anger to whom needed them and ready to move on. Second I am sure Ray must realize by now that this thing was blown way out of proportion and error was done on both parties. Whats done is done , I dont like having beef with people and try to do right but both parties need to be in the same both to make amends. No i didnt take any ofense to yur remarks because you were making judgements base on what was in front of you and i would have made the same judgement in your shoes. Hey if Ray wants to squash it I have no problem with that. I am not too proud when I have done wrong and try to make amends as need be. Today was my first encounter with Ray that went sour. |
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I mean what I am about to say in all seriousness. I'm not picking on you as I strive to not make judgements on anyone. When I posted earlier I didn't even realize you had a business. I thought you were one of those guys who posts only to make money on sig impressions. Honestly, you sig is always for someone else or something silly. I haven't been going to this board as long as some of you. The funny thing is that I always called it a waste of time and now I'm here getting caught up in the drama! I jumped a little when calling you out earlier and I apologize for that. But seriously, what do you do? What product do you sell?
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I understand what it takes to do a shoot afterall i have had many custom shoots done. You say he didnt have to do shit for me?? Well I paid him so i think u will find that is untrue... The threads he posted show what exactly? It shows me asking him to contact me because work was not done and it also shows me putting him on my hall of shame because what i ended up was shit, how does this make what i said above a lie... Im not bothered to be honest it was 2 years ago and I have learnt that many people who have good apaprent rep on some boards are sjust full of shit, it was a lesson i learnt, look at hungryman for example... All i know is i paid something in region of 3k for work delivered 3 months late that was incomplete and shit... its no good offering me free XXX content sets when I wanted a sex position shoot really is it?? Lets all be free and happy... maybe me and aaron can send this thrad on icq to all our friends and get them to post nice things like u have lady michief even though u have no idea of what happened.... afterall its all board politics... aaron knows that i am right and he shouldn't be dissing on other people when back when i was a newbie he basically messed and fucked with me....
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I never showed you any disrespect. EVER. The props in question were not beds and chairs and you know it. 2 fat mingers? See pick below for more proof that Darren is lying. And yes, If you ask for additional sets in order to make you happy and I give them to you then YES, it is supposed to make up for a botched job. That was the entire purpose of me asking you what I could do to make you happy in the first place. I have no problems admitting the job got fucked up and was delayed. I accepted that responsibility and did what I could to correct it. Your shit ass business practices allow you to take that additonal FREE content and still bash me? What a great example you set. Now who's the fucking pot?  |
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You are in a good position and you have from what I can see a good rep around the online crowd....you got caught up into the drrrrrrrama I was a member of one of the most infamous ventures in this biz some years back....embrace the mistakes and move forward. I am sure Poppy and crew are willing to put it behind them as will Lens. Im out....you payed the price of fame today juicy now make it work for you. |
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"I never showed u any disrespect".... = I think that sending me 4 abusive emails, ignoring icqs, sending work 3 months late and sending work which didnt meet my specifications i think that all adds up to disrespect. The props in question were not beds and chairs and you know it. = Yes they where. Please explain these other props, it is beds, chairs and models and u taking pictures nothing else... u tell me WHAT OTHER THINGS IT WAS THEN!!! THat caused the 3 month delay. www.200sexpositions.com/members/ login: rhino1979 pass: rhino1979 shows the proper sex positions which got done by fantasycontent because ur shit was well so shit. ahhh i suppose ur right they where not fat but they where mingers.. but thats not the point if u actually gave me all the sex positions i would be happy but to do an arsed hearted shit job is appaling and as i said giving me free xxx sets didn't make the problem good aaron but it was at least something i could take from the months of u wasting my time. again like i said i dont give a flying shit about this, u treated me like shit 2 years ago i have learnt not to trust people like u.. just dont go calling out other people when ur as bad as them
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Being a Newbie has nothing to do with this. I did not know you from the man in the moon. How was I supposed to know you were a newbie? You were treated fairly, respectfully, and given choices on how to handle the situation. YOU made the choices. Now you want to attack me. OK. Have at it. Fuck you, fuck your program, and fuck every friend that you wish to send after me. It's a fucking message board and there is not one fucking thing that you can say or do that is going to effect my business relationships. I have been posting to GFY for 2 years now. In that time...You and Rory have been the only clients that have EVER voiced any type of concern with my business practices or my work. He is now out of business and his brother and I are good friends as and still do business together so we know Rory was full of shit. That leaves 1 fucked up deal and YOU are it. One botched deal in 2 years and ample proof provided that I went above and bayond to rectify the problems. I will let my track record speak for itself. |
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You're a fucking liar Darren.
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ahhh selective responses i see... just choose the parts of my posts to u that u think u can answer and not the rest... very funny... perhaps no other people have voiced concerns does that prove that u didnt fuck me about big time? no it doesnt. u seem incapabale of finishing a sentence without swearing.. ive never sent anyone after u and never will.. i will let u into a secret... u are not important to me at all... U knew i was a newbie so do not BS.... la la la la la la la ur boring me my friend... before u try and make a drama out of other peoples posts on gfy think back to what ur business practices have led to in the past... selective responses i expect.
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So...Do any honest people...Who did not just get their lying asses added to my ignore list...Have anything interesting to add to this thread?
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lol even funnier... lets not look at the points raised... just take word of almighty aaron... dude its alright like u say u have been doing good biz i dont see anything to disprove that but the situation between u and me was exactly as outlined... now admitting that isn't going to do u any harm just stop slagging others off when u have in fact fucked newbies b4... and like urself ican get 4000 people to post in this thread on how well they have done bizness with me.
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Once again rather than start another another thread,
Ray, Lens Poppy I apologize for this mishap and any anger or animosity I brought on , a small situation and add some drama can lead into a big fiasco. Plus the fact that I havent gotten any action in awhile didnt help out. Drinks are on me in Vegas  |
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sorry I barged your thread Aaron feel free to spam away my next thread
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Do you guy realize we have two drama in the same thread a gfy first?
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