You mean to tell me gun control DOESN'T work??

[CDSmith]

From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia

Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real figures from
Down Under. It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia
were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be
destroyed by our own government, a program costing
Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.

The first year results are now in: Australia-wide, homicides are up
3.2 percent, Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent;
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!
In the state of
Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now! Up 300 percent.
(Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals
did not ! and criminals still possess their guns!)

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in
armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the
past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey
is unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and
assaults of the elderly.

Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has
decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in
"successfully ridding Australian society of guns." You won't see this
on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the
state Assembly disseminating this information.

The Australian experience proves it. Guns in the hands of honest
citizens save ! lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect
only the law-abiding citizens. Take note Americans, before it's to
late!



This really comes as absolutely no surprise to me.

[12clicks]

Originally posted by CDSmith


This really comes as absolutely no surprise to me.

or anyone else with a brain.

[theking]

Originally posted by CDSmith
From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia

Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real figures from
Down Under. It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia
were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be
destroyed by our own government, a program costing
Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.

The first year results are now in: Australia-wide, homicides are up
3.2 percent, Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent;
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!
In the state of
Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now! Up 300 percent.
(Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals
did not ! and criminals still possess their guns!)

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in
armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the
past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey
is unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and
assaults of the elderly.

Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has
decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in
"successfully ridding Australian society of guns." You won't see this
on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the
state Assembly disseminating this information.

The Australian experience proves it. Guns in the hands of honest
citizens save ! lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect
only the law-abiding citizens. Take note Americans, before it's to
late!



This really comes as absolutely no surprise to me.

Unless I am mistaken...several studies have shown that when permits to carry regs have been relaxed (as has been the case in several cities/counties/states) over all general crime has decreased and certain specific crimes have decreased even more dramatically.

[Adult Site Traffic]

You mean to tell me, that law abiding citizens turn in their guns, while criminals do NOT ? That's just shocking !

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by theking


Unless I am mistaken...several studies have shown that when permits to carry regs have been relaxed (as has been the case in several cities/counties/states) over all general crime has decreased and certain specific crimes have decreased even more dramatically.

No you are correct.

I remember back when tourists were being targetted in large numbers in Florida *don't know if you recall all the car rental jackings etc.* they were basically able to prove it had to do with their right to carry laws.

What had happened was that criminals started to target people they knew would not be carrying...and who would that be? Tourists straight off of an airplane.

[CDSmith]

No pro-gun-control types jumping in here to argue with the Aussie cop? Where are the anti-gun freaks? So quiet.


Amazing.

[Stud Money]

Anyone remember the news a few years ago when England had the same type of Gun control laws put into effect?

It had pretty much the same effect, gun related crimes were higher 6 months following the ban on handguns than in the three years prior to the ban lol

[sperbonzo]

There are quite a few studies out there that show the same thing, funny thing that the media doesn't cover it that way....EVER
They always seem to insist on misquoting the facts. A good place to find the full and unedited results is in "More Guns, Less Crime, by John Lott.

Wow, listen to the crickets chirping......where ARE all the anti-gun wackos today? They're usually out in droves around here.

[brand0n]

cliff notes=

[Stud Money]

Originally posted by brand0n
cliff notes=

Gun control does more harm than good

[gornyhuy]

Woooohooooo!

[Libertine]

Ofcourse crime goes up immediately after making people turn in their guns. Guns are still in abundance, and easy to get for any wanna-be criminal. That'll change over the years though.

[Carrie]

Originally posted by punkworld
Ofcourse crime goes up immediately after making people turn in their guns. Guns are still in abundance, and easy to get for any wanna-be criminal. That'll change over the years though.

Sure. The one gun they manage to find every week will seriously decrease the threat to the unprotected population. Not.

[lightswitch]

Originally posted by Stud Money
Anyone remember the news a few years ago when England had the same type of Gun control laws put into effect?

It had pretty much the same effect, gun related crimes were higher 6 months following the ban on handguns than in the three years prior to the ban lol

I had family who lived in London a few years back, the neighbor in an appartment building was mentaly ill was fine for years, but whent off teh edge one day & was trying to shoot people from his balcony. The Bobbies(Cops) couldnt do anything @ first becasue they themselves are not armed, only special cops are armed & their wepons have to stay in the trunk until a warrant is issued!, kinda fucked up if you ask me.

[Brad-Wishing]

Take away the regular joe's home protection weapon... then let the criminals keep THEIR guns.

Criminals have guns, others do not.

Criminals rob people without worry or fear.

[lightswitch]

Originally posted by punkworld
Ofcourse crime goes up immediately after making people turn in their guns. Guns are still in abundance, and easy to get for any wanna-be criminal. That'll change over the years though.

What teh fuck are you talking about?
The US goverment spends Billions trying to keep cocane out of this country, how the fuck is a country with less resources going to compleatly rid themselves of guns?

[Libertine]

Originally posted by lightswitch


What teh fuck are you talking about?
The US goverment spends Billions trying to keep cocane out of this country, how the fuck is a country with less resources going to compleatly rid themselves of guns?

Who said anything about completely ridding the country of guns? High-end criminals will always be able to get their hands on weapons.

However, the "impulsive" criminal, who has no criminal connections but needs some money quickly and sees no other way then to commit a robbery, won't be able to get a gun quite as easily.

If you look at European countries (where guns have been illegal for a long time), crimes with guns are significantly lower than in, for instance, the US.

[escorpio]

Originally posted by CDSmith
No pro-gun-control types jumping in here to argue with the Aussie cop? Where are the anti-gun freaks? So quiet.


Amazing.

All the gun control experts created by "Bowling for Columbine" don't seem to want to get in on this one.

[lightswitch]

Originally posted by punkworld


High-end criminals will always be able to get their hands on weapons.

you just said it perfectly, Criminals will ALWAYS be able to get their hands on weapons.

[Libertine]

Originally posted by lightswitch


you just said it perfectly, Criminals will ALWAYS be able to get their hands on weapons.

Not all criminals. The small-time guys - who do robberies and such - without many connections will have a hard time getting their hands on them. Over here (the Netherlands) robberies with knifes, clubs or even nothing are quite common. And, guess what, they aren't nearly as succesful with such limited means.

[Tipsy]

Originally posted by lightswitch

The Bobbies(Cops) couldnt do anything @ first becasue they themselves are not armed, only special cops are armed & their wepons have to stay in the trunk until a warrant is issued!, kinda fucked up if you ask me.

Not getting involved too much in the daft debate but just wanted to point out what a huge load of bollox that statement was. There's plenty of armed police around who can use their guns in any situation where someone is armed and a threat - however, you are correct that armed officers are very much the exception and not the rule but then there's always an armed unit ready to respond. Oh...and NOBODY calls them bobbies these days.

[lightswitch]

Originally posted by punkworld


Not all criminals. The small-time guys - who do robberies and such - without many connections will have a hard time getting their hands on them. Over here (the Netherlands) robberies with knifes, clubs or even nothing are quite common. And, guess what, they aren't nearly as succesful with such limited means.

So you have to be connected to get Illegal drugs? Thats all crap! making something illegal doesnt stop people from getting the things they want. This is a leason learned decades ago during prohibition. Banning guns out right is as archahic as most drug & prostution laws. Banning doesnt stop it.

[Libertine]

Originally posted by lightswitch


So you have to be connected to get Illegal drugs? Thats all crap! making something illegal doesnt stop people from getting the things they want. This is a leason learned decades ago during prohibition. Banning guns out right is as archahic as most drug & prostution laws. Banning doesnt stop it.

Guns aren't drugs. Bazooka's are banned, and you have to be fairly well-connected to get one of those. So, your comparison doesn't hold up.
Also, if banning guns doesn't work, howcome gun crimes in European countries where guns are banned are so much lower relative to the US?

And as much as I'd like to continue this discussion, I am going to bed. Goodnight.

Hopefully these statistics help the politicians in Canada to decide to scrap their outrageous gun registry program. It's been something like 100 times more costly than they anticipated, and the only people that still want it are the cops.

[Sly_RJ]

Guns are bad. Mmkay.

[crockett]

on the other end of the stick



An elderly Florida lady did her shopping, and upon returning to her car,
found four males in the act of leaving with her vehicle. She dropped her
shopping bags and drew her handgun, proceeding to scream at the top of her
voice, "I have a gun, and I know how to use it! Get out of the car!"
The four men didn't wait for a second invitation. They got out and ran
like mad. The lady, somewhat shaken, then loaded her shopping bags into the
back of the car and got into the driver's seat.
She was so shaken that she could not get her key into the ignition. She
tried and tried, and then it dawned on her why. A few minutes later she
found her own car parked four or five spaces farther down. She loaded her
bags into her car and then drove to the police station.
The sergeant to whom she told the story nearly tore himself in two with
laughter. He pointed to the other end of the counter, where four pale men
were reporting a car jacking by a mad, elderly woman described as white,
less than five feet tall, glasses, curly white hair, and carrying a large
handgun.

No charges were filed.

[Stud Money]

Originally posted by crockett
on the other end of the stick



An elderly Florida lady did her shopping, and upon returning to her car,
found four males in the act of leaving with her vehicle. She dropped her
shopping bags and drew her handgun, proceeding to scream at the top of her
voice, "I have a gun, and I know how to use it! Get out of the car!"
The four men didn't wait for a second invitation. They got out and ran
like mad. The lady, somewhat shaken, then loaded her shopping bags into the
back of the car and got into the driver's seat.
She was so shaken that she could not get her key into the ignition. She
tried and tried, and then it dawned on her why. A few minutes later she
found her own car parked four or five spaces farther down. She loaded her
bags into her car and then drove to the police station.
The sergeant to whom she told the story nearly tore himself in two with
laughter. He pointed to the other end of the counter, where four pale men
were reporting a car jacking by a mad, elderly woman described as white,
less than five feet tall, glasses, curly white hair, and carrying a large
handgun.

No charges were filed.

Those four punks were...

[Odin88]

No pro-gun-control types jumping in here to argue with the Aussie cop? Where are the anti-gun freaks? So quiet.

You want to know whats worse - every time a new gun shooting occurs (i.e. recently two people killed in drive by shooting) they proclaim that we need even tougher gun-control laws!

[Sly_RJ]

Originally posted by Odin88


You want to know whats worse - every time a new gun shooting occurs (i.e. recently two people killed in drive by shooting) they proclaim that we need even tougher gun-control laws!

How can you have tougher gun laws when they're already illegal? Uh... haha.

Crack down on the worlds fuck-ups. Let the common law abiding citizen be. I believe in the same policy towards drugs.

[Odin88]

How can you have tougher gun laws when they're already illegal? Uh... haha.

They want to ban most less powerful, sporting guns now.

[michaelw]

all you assholes thinking gun control is bad really need to take a second and remove your head out of your ass.

for fuck sakes, is it that difficult to register a god damned firearm? let see, basically, you retards think that everyone has a right to own a gun which potentially can take someone's life in a split second. you literally try to convince us with the idea that by letting people have guns, crime rates (robberies, assaults, homicides) go down. wake the fuck up assholes. if you have no means to commit a crime like that, YOU WILL NOT TRY TO COMMIT THAT CRIME. its not a difficult matter, im sure many 3 year olds can understand the logic but it seems you fucking gun whores cannot. If you really want a gun, go register it, and shut the fuck up.

the best way to see if gun control works is by using real life examples. look at the netherlands, where guns have been under control for years now.. crime rates there are minimal. now look at the united states. crime rates are through the roof. one country allows the use of guns by everyone. one does not. not too difficult is it now

[Sly_RJ]

Originally posted by michaelw
all you assholes thinking gun control is bad really need to take a second and remove your head out of your ass.

for fuck sakes, is it that difficult to register a god damned firearm? let see, basically, you retards think that everyone has a right to own a gun which potentially can take someone's life in a split second. you literally try to convince us with the idea that by letting people have guns, crime rates (robberies, assaults, homicides) go down. wake the fuck up assholes. if you have no means to commit a crime like that, YOU WILL NOT TRY TO COMMIT THAT CRIME. its not a difficult matter, im sure many 3 year olds can understand the logic but it seems you fucking gun whores cannot. If you really want a gun, go register it, and shut the fuck up.

the best way to see if gun control works is by using real life examples. look at the netherlands, where guns have been under control for years now.. crime rates there are minimal. now look at the united states. crime rates are through the roof. one country allows the use of guns by everyone. one does not. not too difficult is it now

Don't be a retard. Very few people have problems with registering their guns. But we WOULD like the ability to HAVE a gun to register.

Stick to PHP. Comprehension isn't your strong point.

[theking]

Originally posted by michaelw
all you assholes thinking gun control is bad really need to take a second and remove your head out of your ass.

for fuck sakes, is it that difficult to register a god damned firearm? let see, basically, you retards think that everyone has a right to own a gun which potentially can take someone's life in a split second. you literally try to convince us with the idea that by letting people have guns, crime rates (robberies, assaults, homicides) go down. wake the fuck up assholes. if you have no means to commit a crime like that, YOU WILL NOT TRY TO COMMIT THAT CRIME. its not a difficult matter, im sure many 3 year olds can understand the logic but it seems you fucking gun whores cannot. If you really want a gun, go register it, and shut the fuck up.

the best way to see if gun control works is by using real life examples. look at the netherlands, where guns have been under control for years now.. crime rates there are minimal. now look at the united states. crime rates are through the roof. one country allows the use of guns by everyone. one does not. not too difficult is it now

The percentage of crimes that are committed with the use of a gun is low compared to overall crime...and all crime decreases when permits to carry regs are relaxed.

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by CDSmith
No pro-gun-control types jumping in here to argue with the Aussie cop? Where are the anti-gun freaks? So quiet.


Amazing.

To actually use unvalidated statistics from a sole internet source is the sort of thing you'd jump on a "liberal" for any other day of the week if it were webby or one of the anti war types.

The REAL figures have shown a DROP in murders and what not in the years following the ban on guns, although im sure assaults haven't gone anywhere. I remember a few years ago the NRA LIED to people in the US about the australian figures.. just straight up lied - and it didn't matter they were preaching to the converted..

Anyways before we even get into this lets actually see the source of those figures. Also Americans take these sort of things totally wrong anyways. You guys have insane amounts of gun ownership - we NEVER did, so the argument that criminals were afraid to rob people or whatever because they might have a gun is bullshit here. But I guess you guys will probably never accept that even though I actually live here and know what it's like.

[JSA Matt]

Where is that bumper sticker...

"Gun control is being able to hit your target"

[bhutocracy]

I should qualify my "REAL figures" statement by saying I mean the australian buearu of statistics.
but hey these could be brand new 2003 figures that have just come out in which case i'd like to see where he's quoting from just for interest's sake anyways.

[bhutocracy]

oh I just re-read the first post - this "aussie cop" statement is almost 6 years old.. I'll pick it apart in a bit - too much work to do.

[digi]

[mijoon]

Originally posted by punkworld


Guns aren't drugs. Bazooka's are banned, and you have to be fairly well-connected to get one of those. So, your comparison doesn't hold up.
Also, if banning guns doesn't work, howcome gun crimes in European countries where guns are banned are so much lower relative to the US?

And as much as I'd like to continue this discussion, I am going to bed. Goodnight.

One of the most heavily armed populations in the world is that of Switzerland . They have a large militia so a large proportion of households have military weapons in their closets .
So is Switzerland such a dangerous place ??? NOT !!!

[vending_machine]

CDSmith, you didn't get that piece of news from a chain letter did ya...?

[CDSmith]

What does it matter where I got it? One indesputable fact that always remains in these arguments is that completely disarming the law-abiding sect of any civilian population does only one thing. It makes it easy for Joe break-in and Johnny holdup to bend you over at will. Period. If they happen to take a fancy to your wife while they are cleaning out your silverware drawer they will bang the fuck out of her right in front of you as well. Why? Because they have the guns and you don't.



Posting that piece was meant to incite discussion. Mission accomplished.



And to the dipshit who blathered a bunch of shit about registering..... there is a huge difference between forcing a population to register their guns and disarming them completely. I shouldn't have to point that out, but obviously some need help getting their head out of their ass.

[12clicks]

US=heavily armed citizens
Swiss=heavily armed citizens

it ain't the guns and it ain't hard to figure out what it is.
look at the crime stats of those *committing* the crimes.
find the difference. its easy once you look for the true answer and not the politically correct answer.

[Joe Citizen]

Originally posted by CDSmith
No pro-gun-control types jumping in here to argue with the Aussie cop? Where are the anti-gun freaks? So quiet.


Amazing.

BULLSHIT!

[Joe Citizen]

Originally posted by vending_machine
CDSmith, you didn't get that piece of news from a chain letter did ya...?

Yeah, he did.

[chodadog]

http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/ausguns.htm