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GonZo 10-17-2003 09:35 AM

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Originally posted by fiveyes
http://www.iiiii.com/sachiko2.avi (converted to DIVX AVI file)

http://riverbbs.net/cds/share/2/animate/files.bbs (File Description)
SACHIKO.ZIP FLI: Oriental girl playing music.

http://riverbbs.net/cds/share/2/animate/ (Listing)
SACHIKO.ZIP 16-Oct-1989 23:26 133k
http://riverbbs.net/cds/share/2/animate/SACHIKO.ZIP (available)
SACHIKO.FLI 10/16/1989 11:26 PM
(24 Keyframes, a bit over 1 second in length)

FLIVIEW for WINDOWS
http://sac-ftp.gratex.sk/graph43.html (Listing)
ftp://sac-ftp.gratex.sk/graph/pwflc252.zip (available)

One part of the prior art that would invalidate Acacia's patent(s) is tangible evidence of video having been digitized, compressed and made available for selection and download to remote locations before their patent application.

This isn't some dry technical document that describes the invention in a way that their lawyers could pick apart and argue about for weeks, I'm talking about concrete examples of people having done what is described in their invention before they got around to filing for it.

The problem with finding these examples is "where are they more than ten years later?" Hearsay evidence such as "I remember downloading 2 second fuck videos in 1966" doesn't count. Also, files stored on hard disks are suspect, file dates can easily be changed on Unix.

However, a number of BBS's through the late 1980's mounted CD-ROM's, making the files available to their members. These are ideal places to look, you just can't tamper with a pressed CD-ROM and a file date there is a file date you can bank on. CD-ROM's that were made especially for BBS's had a file named "files.bbs" within them, which gave a description of each file so the user could make a better decision whether to download or not.

Anyway, what you see here is my first find, from October of 1989! There are more out there, and we need them all!!!

Send information of these finds to Spike @ homegrownvideo.com
as well as brandon @ fightthepatent.com and remember:

Support <A HREF="http://www.impai.org/" target="_blank">IMPA</A> to protect our usage of on-line media and <A HREF="http://www.fightthepatent.com/" target="_blank">Fight the Patent!</A>

Then you need to also lok for the GRASPRT files as well. They came out right before the .FLI files.

Far -L should have plenty on the old hard drive of the Homegrown BBS. If you want these files I can fire up the old BBS does spike want them emailed to her?

GonZo 10-17-2003 09:45 AM

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Originally posted by Greg B
Holllllllld da' bus!!!

I just remembered back in the mid 80's we used compressed graphics in animation over our news network for d'load and distribution over all three major news networks. Lemme call HQ because all those files have timestamps and are archived throughout the world as well as the copyright offices globally.

I think this is a cut and dried situation.

Holy SHIT Gregg Boone is still alaive and kicking!

FightThisPatent 10-17-2003 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by GonZo


Then you need to also lok for the GRASPRT files as well. They came out right before the .FLI files.

Far -L should have plenty on the old hard drive of the Homegrown BBS. If you want these files I can fire up the old BBS does spike want them emailed to her?



yup, GRASP/GL/GRASPRT and Sparkle were used to make "video".. i remember downloading them...not the porn ones.


Did you by chance purchase CDROM of files to be used on your BBS? The problem is not finding the content, it's verifying the date stamp of its availability.

Not sure how a BBS log would hold up on court, since it and the date stamp of the file could be manipulated.. but having several SYSOP testify that the BBS log is accurate certainly does help (requires you to give testimony).

The CDROM (not one that you later created as backup, but the original from the software distribution house) could really help to document the date stamp of the file being available prior to 1990.

If you do have a CDROM, let me know.

if you have a non-porn GL file, let me know as well.. the GL files that I have are porn ones, and would rather post a non-porn for others to see...and to show people what prior art looks like (for my purposes i don't need the date verification.. i would take your word and the date stamp on the file to be sufficient for others to see).



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FightThisPatent 10-17-2003 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by fiveyes

One of the things I like about your approach, Bandon, is that the evidence being amassed now against Acacia's patent(s) can most likely be recycled whenever these other hyenas show up on the scene.


I have some more prior art stuff to post, but just time consuming to dig it back up,.. i post the ones that are easy to view/listen.

Alot of other potential prior art is with experts, and i don't post that info up on the web, but provide that info to any defense attorney involved in a patent abuse or patent infringement case.

I would definitely like to start a library that Fight The Patent Foundation will collect for future patent abuse cases.

I am sure so many wives would want to throw out stacks of computer books and magazines that tech heads collect.... so that we could have those potential prior art docs sent to us, ready for researching for other patent cases that come up.

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GonZo 10-17-2003 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by FightThisPatent




yup, GRASP/GL/GRASPRT and Sparkle were used to make "video".. i remember downloading them...not the porn ones.


Did you by chance purchase CDROM of files to be used on your BBS? The problem is not finding the content, it's verifying the date stamp of its availability.

Not sure how a BBS log would hold up on court, since it and the date stamp of the file could be manipulated.. but having several SYSOP testify that the BBS log is accurate certainly does help (requires you to give testimony).

The CDROM (not one that you later created as backup, but the original from the software distribution house) could really help to document the date stamp of the file being available prior to 1990.

If you do have a CDROM, let me know.

if you have a non-porn GL file, let me know as well.. the GL files that I have are porn ones, and would rather post a non-porn for others to see...and to show people what prior art looks like (for my purposes i don't need the date verification.. i would take your word and the date stamp on the file to be sufficient for others to see).





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Only CDs series I ever bught was Busty babes,,,well as it turns out it was pirated from Penthouse....

LeeNoga 10-17-2003 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by GonZo
Only CDs series I ever bught was Busty babes,,,well as it turns out it was pirated from Penthouse....
Hey wait a minute.

When we did Busty Babes Vol 1, there were 4 other CD-ROMS out there and we followed suit...and it was not Penthouse stuff, it was Playboy for which we settled...and we got a clue, and Busty Vol 2 and 3 were all licensed content...matter of fact all disc's after that was licensed.

We even got sued on our shareware CD-ROM....those were the times in 1991-1993.

FightThisPatent 10-17-2003 02:41 PM

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=187200

this is what the 2nd letter from acacia looks like..sux big time


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Suckitbitch 10-17-2003 02:48 PM

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Originally posted by SpaceAce
I remember FLI files. Hell, I remember when GIF came out.

SpaceAce


I remember a rollercoaster FLI file and a wierd silver ball one. Was pretty neat when it came out.

sweandy 10-17-2003 03:51 PM

How about all Amiga and C64 scene demos and music sent through BBSes in the mid 80s until today? We used to share alot video demos and music in those days. Not the same as today but teoretical it's quite similar to mpegs and mp3s :D

Peacemaker 10-17-2003 04:10 PM

fiveyes: i am sending you an email. hope you didnt mind the length

AaronM 10-17-2003 04:47 PM

Is this 50?

Why yes! I do believe it is!


50 BIATCH!

FightThisPatent 10-17-2003 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sweandy
How about all Amiga and C64 scene demos and music sent through BBSes in the mid 80s until today? We used to share alot video demos and music in those days. Not the same as today but teoretical it's quite similar to mpegs and mp3s :D

Yes, there were audio files that were shared around, christmas songs, music, etc.. as long as it isn't MIDI or MOD, you may have some prior art.

Most important, is if possible, to be able to verify the date via BBS log file (do a google search on the filename to see if you can find it somewhere), or a CDROM archive that might have it.


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MarcoTC 10-18-2003 01:09 AM

man... I'm feeling old reading all this.


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