and, Mr JOOO, there's a world of difference between honoring your removes, and not honoring your removes.

I do. You don't. Therefore, I > you.

brad u really are an asshole.

think ur such a bad ass because uve made a few $$$, its not exactly hard to do this.

Pitty ur a fat bastard who can only get a shag by paying for it (and then its a bit iffy).

Exactly......Hun has built his site based on quality, and a sponsor with to many bull crap pops is Not cool with Hun, plain and simple.

Out of the 9 popups our affiliates get credit for 7. Those extra 7 popups are responsible for a 20% increase in sales for affiliates. It is never more than 9 popups.

Brad - you own sites have at least 7 consoles each.
That last line was a pretty low hit, even for you.
We have nothing against each other, let's not change that.

Another fine thread proving that TRAFFIC is god in this industry, not the number of sites you own.

I can tell you that some of the console free $10 porn programs are not banned after an email exchange I had with him earlier this week. I don't know about the rest of your stuff.

Someone records 90 sales, noting that 15 came from consoles. Next thing he is claiming that consoles increase sales 20% (btw why is it always 20%?). Actually no: that is pure assumption. The numbers themselves tell us nothing more than the source of the sales. The only way to know how consoles impact on sales would be to run some solid comparison tests.

We know surfers don't like consoles, so when a site launches an entry console, some visitors, including some potential customers, must shut the whole site in disgust. That's fine if the console generates 10 sales for a cost of say 5, but most of us take that on trust. We have no numbers to support the belief.

Exit consoles are no different. We know that not everyone buys on their first visit to a site and even a single console, let alone a barrage of them, is going to deter some of those who might have bought tomorrow or next week. Does anyone actually know how many are turned off?

And even if consoles do produce a net gain, why? Could it be that we send too many surfers to places they don't want to go? So for example, a guy looking for big tits doesn't buy at the teen site he was sent to, but spots a big tits site on a console?

Perhaps the most important factor is whether you are a sponsor or an affiliate. Sponsors, especially those who don't pay on all consoles, must love affiliates who send them untargeted traffic. If affiliates filtered their traffic effectively and made their links clear, surfers looking for big tits wouldn't be sent to teen sites in the first place. That would kill the value of any big tits links on that site's consoles. No-one is claiming that consoles sell better than sites, so an affiliate who targets his traffic well, has to score more sales overall. And how many times does a surfer quit an affiliate site instead of maybe checking out a second sponsor, because he got hit with consoles by the first one?

I have used consoles ever since they first appeared. But I wish I had enough traffic to run valid comparisons to either prove or disprove the conventional wisdom. I can't help wondering why, if such tactics are really productive, there is no other sales environment in which we would dream of doing anything similar.

I thought partnership programs gave consoles to the webmaster?

Damn

Whats console free with the popup? Does it pay less recurring or something?

Anyone speak engrish?

consoles should be banned.

either way, most of the surfers going to have console-blockers pretty soon (google's giving it away for free)

pop-ups must work in the short term. BUT how oftern do you surf a tour if you know you are going to get a blizzard of shit?

Before I was in porn 1/2 my porn bookmarks were paysite tours. Now i would never do that as it would be hell to go there.

Fucking 50.

at least until DarkJedi deletes his post. :1orglaugh

When you pay on only 7 out of 9 consoles (Like Zebra Said) then basically why does the sponsor even care if you get any sales on the 7 they pay on???......If the sales are on the 2 (or more) that they are not paying you on, then you are basically feeding them FREE traffic to use for their own profit.......:2 cents: :2 cents:

They have console free links. and it is revshare so go pop up free if that is what you want.

Edit:

Fuck it they do not have console free links.

Console free has 2 exit pops!

:1orglaugh

Personal opinion? User clicks an add, checks the tour maybe, sees a price, but doesn't want to sign up (yet)... then back means back... people don't click 'back' or 'no' accidentally. And if they do they can just click the banner again. I think any console is too many. Just imagine how ticked off you are yourself if people keep asking you if you want to buy something when you said a very clear 'no' the first time they contacted. Consoles tend to annoy people. The majority of the surfers now are very hesitant to click banners due to the fact that they have been seeing a few consoles too many on ads...

Brad... I paid for that dinner :)

Anyway, this has nothing to do with ego, I'm not telling people what they can or can't promote. I am telling people what galleries I link to from my own site. I think I'm entitled to that since we're talking about links on my own site...

Lens... on a public board: I love you! Don't worry about that. Something must be going wrong here... Could be my spam filter, it's set to very agressive 'cause I tend to get over 2700 e-mails every day (at a quit day)... I'll drop an e-mail to [email protected] from an e-mail address that is sure to arrive (no spam filter)...

I very seriously doubt that in the long run there will be more sales with these consoles. 20% increase in sales might be, but it's blinding the fact that you pissed off all people that didn't sign up.

What's the conversion on those banners? Let's just assume 1 in 400 clicks, I'm just picking a number, you do the math with the correct numbers if I'm too far off... That means 20% more sales means that not 1 out of 400, but 1 out of 320 sign up. That's leaves 319 people that have to go through 9 exit consoles they don't want. How many of those people do you think will click that banner again??

And even with a converion of 1 in 200 we're talking about 1 in 160 when the conversion goes up 20%, which still means 159 people get 9 consoles to sign up the extra 1 guy...

"one upon a time" the Internet has a majority of newbie surfers, now it's a majority of experienced surfers that sign up for a site 'cause it offers what they want to see... Surfers get smart, sell quality and they will sign up. Annoy 'em with 9 consoles on a banner and they'll abandon banners.

Just imagine what you would do if you clicked a banner and got 9 consoles... would that gain your trust? Would it make you sign up? I remember all hell broke loose when a Playboy banner started popping up on this board. That same exact reaction is there with the surfers...

You know whats worse than a long chain of popups. Sites that give you a fucking blur console just for visiting the main page. This is one of the reasons my conversions with maxcash suck. Blur console on all their sites, then if you close the blur console, you get a chain of 6 or 7 popups. That must seriously annoy sooooo many surfers.

Consoles suck worse than spam IMHO. Unfortunately (fortunately?) they make money for programs. If a company is grossing 5 million a year that 20% means $1 mil to the bottom line. No one can honestly expect anyone in their right mind to give up an extra million.

This is not a conversation we will be having this time next year thanks to the pop up blockers like the one I am using now (Google toolbar).

Short term million you mean, in the long term the people that were annoyed by the consoles won't click the banners twice (honestle, would you?). What market do you think will be making the millions, the ever shrinking newbie market or the ever growing experienced market...

If you are flashcashand don't expect them to bookmark the tour and check it once in awhile then the popups make sense but other programs with big tours must get people checking it over and over and then signing up. 9 consoles stops that.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Any word from lightspeed if they are going to fix this?

you know what sucks?
i never got listed on the hun...submited about 20 galleries but never got listed..that suck! :(

All the sponsors should have a console free program = more signups.

Dayum.

Reason I never use TCG..... Back button hijacking... Its fucking rediculous.

You wanna know why the hun makes more than most affiliate programs do, with a free site???

Common sense.


Doesnt lightspeed have a console free opion though??

yes they should. at the very least for their rev share programs. for pps i can understand popping mad consoles.

Yes, as I indicated, we have addressed the issue on our affiliate support board.

Steve

20%? I believe it's more like 2-5% now if your own site didn't convert well it could very well be 20% or even more off consoles (inversely proportional). Yet, supposing (just for the heck of it) you are correct and it's decent 20% but that 20% could turn into 30%+ off bookmark sales if there was no console (take Hun's word for it, he knows what he's saying when it comes to "bookmarks" :)) (unless ofcourse your site sucked then definitely you'd need consoles.. but I already said that). So that means with your pops and $1 million additional you are still losing $500,000. Then again it wouldn't benefit an affiliate if nothing was done to give credit for bookmark sales to affiliates so.. well.. square 1 :(