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Old 10-16-2003, 03:20 PM   #1
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Girl hangs herself after her father allegedly rapes her

That's so fucked up..

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SYRACUSE, N.Y. -- An 11-year-old girl apparently hanged herself in her bedroom after being raped by her father earlier in the day, police said.

Valerie Charlene Lucie was found dead on Sept. 30. Timothy Lucie, 46, was charged Tuesday with rape and sodomy and released Wednesday on $35,000 bond.

Lucie told police he raped the girl in the shower after threatening to cut her hair unless she did what she was told, authorities said.

Lucie recanted after meeting with his lawyer, Raymond Dague, who said Lucie gave the statement only after police told him he failed a lie detector test and threatened to take away his four other children.

The defense attorney said that Lucie is wrongly accused, and that Lucie's wife does not believe the charges.

The girl's death has not officially been ruled a suicide. Lucie came under suspicion after an autopsy revealed physical signs that Valerie had been sexually abused before her death, according to court documents.
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Old 10-16-2003, 03:22 PM   #2
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He is getting a murder charge either way.
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Why the fuck was he released if he admitted he raped an 11 year old girl?
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Old 10-16-2003, 03:29 PM   #5
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Old 10-16-2003, 03:32 PM   #6
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Don't lock him up. His brains will be splattered on the seat of the toilet bowl within 24 hours. Make this man suffer a long, miserable death.
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how the fuck can you rape your own kid there is some fucked up people out there
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Old 10-16-2003, 03:33 PM   #8
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Why the fuck was he released if he admitted he raped an 11 year old girl?
It already says why up above. Read again. Blows ass but shit like that happens all the time.
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Old 10-16-2003, 03:33 PM   #9
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The defense attorney said that Lucie is wrongly accused, and that Lucie's wife does not believe the charges.
The sad thing is that so many women are like this. There would be a HUGE drop in child sex crimes if people would open their fucking eyes and stop believing that their husband/son/brother/family friend is incapable of doing 'something like that'. The sick bastards are everywhere and few are as obvious as the SexEducation guy.
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Old 10-16-2003, 03:34 PM   #10
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how the fuck can you rape your own kid there is some fucked up people out there
The largest % of child abuse is by family members and often very close relatives such as parents. Sad but true
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Old 10-16-2003, 03:35 PM   #11
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Does anybody here really think an 11 year old girl is capable of killing herself in ANY way, especially by hanging? I mean come on.


This was a homicide.
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Old 10-16-2003, 03:42 PM   #13
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Does anybody here really think an 11 year old girl is capable of killing herself in ANY way, especially by hanging? I mean come on.


This was a homicide.
Yes they are capable. Had a cousin do it at a very young age. History also shows it is/was very common. Remember 11 is just recently considered young maturity wise.
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Old 10-16-2003, 03:47 PM   #14
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Old 10-16-2003, 03:55 PM   #16
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So sickening.

Lucie, isn't that a girl name?
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Old 10-16-2003, 07:27 PM   #17
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So sickening.

Lucie, isn't that a girl name?

Lucie is their last name. How awful.
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damn, an 11y.old kid dying like this. Best punishment for him would be to burn him alive.
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Old 10-16-2003, 07:45 PM   #21
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OMG that's horrendous. How could anyone even think of doing something like that. AARGH!
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her father deserves 2 times life imprisonment for raping her and ending her life!
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Old 10-16-2003, 07:57 PM   #23
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Im sure he will get soemthing like that when he goes to jail
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Does anybody here really think an 11 year old girl is capable of killing herself in ANY way, especially by hanging? I mean come on.


This was a homicide.
Many years ago, my mom's Boss' son committed suicide. He was only 13 years old. He shot himself with his dad's gun, which he actually had to assemble as it was kept in pieces, under lock and key. 13 isn't too far away from 11 years old, and after being raped, i think it's entirely impossible that she killed herself.

I ain't trying to defend the father, but what he did was rape. Get him for the right crime.
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He should be put in a cell that is isolated and guarded with a roommate/husband named Bubba, for 5 years. After 5 years the happy couple can be moved into general population where sicko can enjoy gangbangs with his husbands best friends on a regular basis. Just my
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WHAT THE FUCK !?
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You shouldn't do that. There could very well be more than one "Timothy Lucie" in Syracuse, NY.

Someone could get killed over something like this, and it could be the wrong person with a wife and kids.

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It's him.

I am a member of Search USA, he is the only Timothy Lucie in that area for the last 7 1/2 years. At that same address, same exact age.
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Timothy Lucie, 46

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I ain't trying to defend the father, but what he did was rape. Get him for the right crime.
no, what he did was also child molestation and then it was coercion as well. and it was rape. and i'm willing to bet that it was other things as well. the rape was hideous, but the girl must have treasured her hair to be willing to allow it, so for her threatening to cut off her hair must have been truly awful - and a different kind of betrayal, to threaten her with something she felt was that awful :-(

a lot of shrinks think that 25% or more of women are molested as children by family members, particularly fathers. a lot of what happens sexually against the children's wills they don't later consider molestation because it isn't intercourse or oral sex.

this poor little girl :-(
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"Lucie told police he raped the girl in the shower after threatening to cut her hair unless she did what she was told, authorities said.".......




Why would any father ever SAY he did it if he didnt do it? DNA testing should show evidence of whether he was the one that raped her or not. Fucking piece of shit.
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Genessee St - why does that not surprise me?
Bad, bad area.

I vote for the orbital sander and baseball bat. Preferably ass-raping this waste of skin repeatedly with the baseball bat before doing anything else with it.
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The sick thing is that he'll get jail time and be out in 5 or 6 years. (Unless he gets killed in prison, which is likely).
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Does anybody here really think an 11 year old girl is capable of killing herself in ANY way, especially by hanging? I mean come on.


This was a homicide.

kids, sadly, are capable. We have had a series of kids hanging themselves over here after they have been bullied at school. One just a few weeks ago. Part of the problem is that being so young when they get into a place where they don't see a way out they really don't know that there is a way. Youth is a very black and white period.

Also...publishing an address is irresponsible. I'm seriously not going to shed a tear when natural justice goes the way it will but what is the point of having a justice system if we are going to sancation vigilante behaviour on the outside?
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