CECash fails with Google, fix your problems pls - GoFuckYourself.com

eden69 · 10-15-2003, 09:30 AM

I was just informed by CECash that 80% of my signups coming directly from my ad on Google were resulting in cancellations. I saw sometime last year that Google was doing pretty good with signups to CECash's Homegrown Video. So I decide to leave my add there and it turns out to be a great source of extra income. Then I notice CECash is giving away hats and shirts on here and I of course request one. The next day I notice Pay it Forward my stats are acting "wierd". So I email them and after getting the run around for a few days I finally get a response, that my signups were resuling in 80% cancellations, so they moved me from getting Pay it Forward signups to $55 per active join. I don't think it's my fault that 80% of users from Google (reputably having the cream of the crop in terms of visitors using that search engine) don't like that site. I explained this to CECash support and they wanted to know what keywords I was using. Um "amateur sex" and "amateur porn"- I don't think it gets any easier than that. It's not like I was using "beaver sex" as a fucking keyword. Hell, I didn't even mention that the site has a free sign up. I got an A in college english so I don't think me and my abilities are the problem here (Since then, I've since become a full time gallery submitter and am making an excellent living gaining over 100,000 click throughs to sponsors per month). I really had a lot of faith in CECash and it's programs. I feel so incredibly ripped off!

CE Cash YOU are the problem, not me. I don't feel like you should make webmasters pay for YOUR problems.

sexyclicks · 10-15-2003, 09:34 AM

BradShaw · 10-15-2003, 09:42 AM

Send your traffic to me, sicccash.com

eden69 · 10-15-2003, 09:44 AM

I do Brad, and so far I've seen you do have a reputable program, no problems so far

In fact, I'll be sending more traffic your way. I'm actually doing well with your MILF and Fetish sites.

BradShaw · 10-15-2003, 10:05 AM

Good to hear, let me know if there is anything I can do for you. CE was good, until Ron sold it. Not sure who is steering the ship these days.

MikeB · 10-15-2003, 10:32 AM

eden69,

We first contacted you on August 25th, about 54 days ago. I see you changed your email address on file with us on September 18th, perhaps you were no longer checking your previous email?

While the ad on google was going great a while back, over time it is not uncommon for ads to lose their staying power or effectiveness. I'd really like to see the ads you were using to see if there is something we can do to improve them and freshedn them up.

The t-shirt / hat giveaway did not have anything to do with your account or the timing of your noticing of the account change. As you can see in my original email to you, we were paying you at the original rate for all previous signups, the change was not retroactive, that wouldn't be fair. As I described in my email to you on August 25th, I told you that you would not see the change until September 16th. This was necessary to ensure that all checks for your previous signups continued to be paid at the original rate.

We don't think it is your fault that the cancellation rate is that high, it is probably an advertisement that needs to be changed or updated to keep up with the ever changing market. You mentioned that your ad has been there since last year. If it's been there since last year and not changed then that is likely the problem, a stale ad. I've managed millions of hits and surfers (and billions of double opt-in emails) and one thing I've learned over time is that no advertisement, no matter how good it is at the beginning, will remain perfect forever. Ads need constant adjustment, change, and finessing.

HomeGrown has one of the best retention rates of all of our sites. They've been in business for decades, and have what I believe is one of, if not the best amateur video site. They are adding new content daily, and keep their site very fresh. I don't think the problem is with HomeGrown, I think it is with attracting the right members to them.

I don't agree that you should feel ripped off. We gave you advance notice almost 2 months ago, and the change was not retroactive. We didn't make you pay for our problems, in fact, we paid for the problem....you got paid for all of those previous signups at the original rate, even though most of them cancelled. I think we were more than fair.

I'd really like to help you with your traffic...and see if we can improve the results. If you are running the same ad as you were last year, then it may be as simple as updating the ad. We also have other programs that convert as well, and pay as well, if not better than Pay It Forward. Our CE Mags program has been converting like crazy, with many webmasters earning $.07 to $.20 per click!

eden69 · 10-15-2003, 12:06 PM

Mike, I've since condensed all urls I've owned into one since I've become a gallery submitter. When I stopped using that domain, I submitted my new email address change to you. I still received email back in August and I never got anything from you guys. I also find it hard to believe the retention for the site could have gone down simply because it's been there for a few months. I could be wrong tho, but considering the number of visitors to google a day, I'd think that would be negligible.

Far-L · 10-15-2003, 12:25 PM

MikeB: Thanks for the compliment!

If there is any way for us to help out here then please let me know.

Shooter · 10-15-2003, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BradShaw
CE was good, until Ron sold it.

Umm...did I miss something?

JDog · 10-15-2003, 12:41 PM

How is this CE's problem the retention from Google doesn't last for you? What is the keywords and description you have on the add?

Is it a good add? Maybe you should change the add and try different wording?

jDoG

Zoe · 10-15-2003, 12:58 PM

Our Pay Per View program is selling shows at a rate of 1/500. I would ask that you give it a try. Its instant money.

ElvisManson · 10-15-2003, 01:00 PM

Let the trolling begin....

Never understood how a sponsor can come into a thread like this looking for business.

Zoe · 10-15-2003, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisManson
Let the trolling begin....

Never understood how a sponsor can come into a thread like this looking for business.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEE.........

Wow.....got one.......a big one !!

HarlotCash Dyker · 10-15-2003, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JDog
How is this CE's problem the retention from Google doesn't last for you? What is the keywords and description you have on the add?

Is it a good add? Maybe you should change the add and try different wording?

jDoG

Why?
It is still getting good sign-ups - Where is the problem?

ElvisManson · 10-15-2003, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zoe

REEEEEEEEEEEEEE.........

Wow.....got one.......a big one !!

sure did...lol

MikeB · 10-15-2003, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by eden69
Mike, I've since condensed all urls I've owned into one since I've become a gallery submitter. When I stopped using that domain, I submitted my new email address change to you. I still received email back in August and I never got anything from you guys. I also find it hard to believe the retention for the site could have gone down simply because it's been there for a few months. I could be wrong tho, but considering the number of visitors to google a day, I'd think that would be negligible.

I'm not sure why the email never got to you, It left here ok and I did not get any bounced notices. Anytime an ad goes unchanged for an extended period period of time you can expect it to only deteriorate slowly over time. Even with the same number of visitors at Google, the Connoisseur of Amateur will look for more descriptive ads that describe the type of site they are looking for and stay away from general-sounding ads that don't really strike a nerverwith them. If you don't want to try the suggestions that I emailed to you let me know, and I will give them a try!

With some more descriptive, specific ads you may find the clicks decrease a little bit, but in the long run you will find it more productive, and more profitable.

Regards,

Mike B

BradShaw · 10-15-2003, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisManson
Let the trolling begin....

Never understood how a sponsor can come into a thread like this looking for business.

This your way of looking for biz? Let me ICQ MikeAI for you;-)

BradShaw · 10-15-2003, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shooter

Umm...did I miss something?

Yes, Ron no longer owns CE. "trade news" does. Personally, I have a hard time sending much traffic to a sponsor when I have no idea who really owns the company.

Mr Pheer · 10-15-2003, 02:21 PM

Maybe Ron owns "trade news"

Stud Money · 10-15-2003, 02:27 PM

We convert Gay Market traffic from Google reasonably well

[edit] Because i cant spell Google

FabianC · 10-15-2003, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BradShaw

Yes, Ron no longer owns CE. "trade news" does. Personally, I have a hard time sending much traffic to a sponsor when I have no idea who really owns the company.

That's a real shame .. I met Danny in Florida & he actually changed my perception of SICCash .. and at the TCG getaway in AZ, Greg was top notch .. I've been looking forward to sending traffic .. tell ur boys to holla at me when you're ready.

angeleyes · 10-15-2003, 02:29 PM

ok... I clicked on the thread and I'm here now, so here is my spam

LoverCash
$30.00 per FREE Trial Sign-up. Niched out dating to fit general and targeted traffic: Several Straight niches, Shemale, Gay, Lesbian, BBW, Asian, Ebony, BDSM and so on.

mastermcp3 · 10-15-2003, 02:29 PM

lol oh come on if his shit maks sign ups its nothing todo with him he is doing his job in geting the sign ups ce u need to make it were they stay signed up thats not his job

FabianC · 10-15-2003, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrPheer
Maybe Ron owns "trade news"

MrPheer,

Maybe .. Maybe .. Maybe you should hire a forensic accountant to put your theories to rest. You wanna bet me you don't find his name? Why? Cuz he sold it!! OMG, imagine that! .. I'll give you 10 to 1 odds .. let me know when you want to put $1,000,000 on it. PEACE OUT!

GeXus · 10-15-2003, 02:36 PM

Man you guys at CEcash must be craaazy.. This guy got an A in college ENGLISH!!!! DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND!!

Tipsy · 10-15-2003, 02:47 PM

Excsue me going off topic a bit but it's easier to jump in a thread than start loads of different ones about it...

Fabian - I need to claim 250 bucks + a hat and t-shirt (need something to wear at Internext

) from the 2 mill prize thing. Who's best to contact about it?

FabianC · 10-15-2003, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tipsy
Excsue me going off topic a bit but it's easier to jump in a thread than start loads of different ones about it...

Fabian - I need to claim 250 bucks + a hat and t-shirt (need something to wear at Internext ) from the 2 mill prize thing. Who's best to contact about it?

TIPSY, CONGRATS!!!!

Shoot an email to:

cs AT cevault DOT com

and cc:

fabian AT cecash DOT com

I'll get that over to you ASAP .. again, congrats on the win brotha!

Who else won? If they haven't collected already, have them contact me us as well please

Tipsy · 10-15-2003, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FabianC

TIPSY, CONGRATS!!!!

Shoot an email to:

cs AT cevault DOT com

and cc:

fabian AT cecash DOT com

I'll get that over to you ASAP .. again, congrats on the win brotha!

Who else won? If they haven't collected already, have them contact me us as well please

Thanks and will do. The cold_ice guy. He has a prize thread around somewhere. I'll copy and paste your post into it so he knows.

WiredGuy · 10-15-2003, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MikeB_CE
We don't think it is your fault that the cancellation rate is that high, it is probably an advertisement that needs to be changed or updated to keep up with the ever changing market.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but from my understanding this webmaster was promoting Homegrown through Google and his cancellation rates were high, possibly because the advertisement he was using was not that good. But I don't see how this would be his fault, he sent traffic to CE through an advertisement (which may not have been very effective) and those surfers went through the CE tour and bought but then cancelled. The surfers still went through your tour so there is nothing misleading about this in my opinion.

If the advertisement was not very targetted or stale, then this should show in the conversion ratios, but it still seems that they bought into the tour and made a legitimate purchase so why would this webmaster be held accountable for low retentions?

Like I said, maybe I missed something here but it seems that the webmaster did nothing wrong to me.

WG

MikeB · 10-15-2003, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy

Maybe I'm missing something here, but from my understanding this webmaster was promoting Homegrown through Google and his cancellation rates were high, possibly because the advertisement he was using was not that good. But I don't see how this would be his fault, he sent traffic to CE through an advertisement (which may not have been very effective) and those surfers went through the CE tour and bought but then cancelled. The surfers still went through your tour so there is nothing misleading about this in my opinion.

If the advertisement was not very targetted or stale, then this should show in the conversion ratios, but it still seems that they bought into the tour and made a legitimate purchase so why would this webmaster be held accountable for low retentions?

Like I said, maybe I missed something here but it seems that the webmaster did nothing wrong to me.

WG

Wiredguy, I guess it is nobodys fault - but the ad being used wasn't targeting the Amateur niche well and the traffic was going to an excellent Amateur site. When the ad isn't targeted well, it can still get sales and not keep members.

Many of these members were cancelling before the trial was over. They weren't finding what they were looking for.

What eden69 didn't tell you is that she is going to try the new ads I suggested at $25 per signup guaranteed and see if they perform any better. I suspect they will. And I'm putting our money on it

WiredGuy · 10-15-2003, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MikeB_CE
Many of these members were cancelling before the trial was over. They weren't finding what they were looking for.

But if they're coming to Homegrown's site from amateur related keywords (as eden said originally), then I think it's up to the tour at that point to sell it. To me, the advertisement is just a means to deliver a surfer to a paysite, the sale is done by the tour.

That's my thoughts on it at least...

Either way, it sounds like eden and you have resolved the matter so I hope it works out

WG

FabianC · 10-15-2003, 03:20 PM

WG,

hit me up on ICQ .. haven't talked to you for a while

jimmyf · 10-15-2003, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mastermcp3
lol oh come on if his shit maks sign ups its nothing todo with him he is doing his job in geting the sign ups ce u need to make it were they stay signed up thats not his job

my thoughts. He's giving him a song and dance.

MikeB · 10-15-2003, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jimmyf
my thoughts. He's giving him a song and dance.

Jimmyf, what type of paysites do you run?

10-15-2003, 09:30 AM	#1
eden69 Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: MN Posts: 114	CECash fails with Google, fix your problems pls I was just informed by CECash that 80% of my signups coming directly from my ad on Google were resulting in cancellations. I saw sometime last year that Google was doing pretty good with signups to CECash's Homegrown Video. So I decide to leave my add there and it turns out to be a great source of extra income. Then I notice CECash is giving away hats and shirts on here and I of course request one. The next day I notice Pay it Forward my stats are acting "wierd". So I email them and after getting the run around for a few days I finally get a response, that my signups were resuling in 80% cancellations, so they moved me from getting Pay it Forward signups to $55 per active join. I don't think it's my fault that 80% of users from Google (reputably having the cream of the crop in terms of visitors using that search engine) don't like that site. I explained this to CECash support and they wanted to know what keywords I was using. Um "amateur sex" and "amateur porn"- I don't think it gets any easier than that. It's not like I was using "beaver sex" as a fucking keyword. Hell, I didn't even mention that the site has a free sign up. I got an A in college english so I don't think me and my abilities are the problem here (Since then, I've since become a full time gallery submitter and am making an excellent living gaining over 100,000 click throughs to sponsors per month). I really had a lot of faith in CECash and it's programs. I feel so incredibly ripped off! CE Cash YOU are the problem, not me. I don't feel like you should make webmasters pay for YOUR problems. Last edited by eden69; 10-15-2003 at 09:32 AM..

10-15-2003, 09:42 AM	#3
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10-15-2003, 10:05 AM	#5
BradShaw Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KB's trailer Posts: 7,840	Good to hear, let me know if there is anything I can do for you. CE was good, until Ron sold it. Not sure who is steering the ship these days. __________________ Sig too big http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT adult.com

10-15-2003, 12:25 PM	#8
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10-15-2003, 12:41 PM	#10
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10-15-2003, 09:34 AM	#2
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10-15-2003, 09:44 AM	#4
eden69 Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: MN Posts: 114	I do Brad, and so far I've seen you do have a reputable program, no problems so far In fact, I'll be sending more traffic your way. I'm actually doing well with your MILF and Fetish sites.

10-15-2003, 10:32 AM	#6
MikeB Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,012	eden69, We first contacted you on August 25th, about 54 days ago. I see you changed your email address on file with us on September 18th, perhaps you were no longer checking your previous email? While the ad on google was going great a while back, over time it is not uncommon for ads to lose their staying power or effectiveness. I'd really like to see the ads you were using to see if there is something we can do to improve them and freshedn them up. The t-shirt / hat giveaway did not have anything to do with your account or the timing of your noticing of the account change. As you can see in my original email to you, we were paying you at the original rate for all previous signups, the change was not retroactive, that wouldn't be fair. As I described in my email to you on August 25th, I told you that you would not see the change until September 16th. This was necessary to ensure that all checks for your previous signups continued to be paid at the original rate. We don't think it is your fault that the cancellation rate is that high, it is probably an advertisement that needs to be changed or updated to keep up with the ever changing market. You mentioned that your ad has been there since last year. If it's been there since last year and not changed then that is likely the problem, a stale ad. I've managed millions of hits and surfers (and billions of double opt-in emails) and one thing I've learned over time is that no advertisement, no matter how good it is at the beginning, will remain perfect forever. Ads need constant adjustment, change, and finessing. HomeGrown has one of the best retention rates of all of our sites. They've been in business for decades, and have what I believe is one of, if not the best amateur video site. They are adding new content daily, and keep their site very fresh. I don't think the problem is with HomeGrown, I think it is with attracting the right members to them. I don't agree that you should feel ripped off. We gave you advance notice almost 2 months ago, and the change was not retroactive. We didn't make you pay for our problems, in fact, we paid for the problem....you got paid for all of those previous signups at the original rate, even though most of them cancelled. I think we were more than fair. I'd really like to help you with your traffic...and see if we can improve the results. If you are running the same ad as you were last year, then it may be as simple as updating the ad. We also have other programs that convert as well, and pay as well, if not better than Pay It Forward. Our CE Mags program has been converting like crazy, with many webmasters earning $.07 to $.20 per click!

10-15-2003, 12:06 PM	#7
eden69 Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: MN Posts: 114	Mike, I've since condensed all urls I've owned into one since I've become a gallery submitter. When I stopped using that domain, I submitted my new email address change to you. I still received email back in August and I never got anything from you guys. I also find it hard to believe the retention for the site could have gone down simply because it's been there for a few months. I could be wrong tho, but considering the number of visitors to google a day, I'd think that would be negligible.

10-15-2003, 12:58 PM	#11
Zoe Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: British Columbia Posts: 179	Our Pay Per View program is selling shows at a rate of 1/500. I would ask that you give it a try. Its instant money. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

10-15-2003, 01:00 PM	#12
ElvisManson Looking California Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 5,476	Let the trolling begin.... Never understood how a sponsor can come into a thread like this looking for business.

10-15-2003, 02:21 PM	#19
Mr Pheer Retired Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 21,262	Maybe Ron owns "trade news" __________________ 2 lifeguards for Jessica

10-15-2003, 02:27 PM	#20
Stud Money So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Somewhere between my monitor and my chair Posts: 3,214	We convert Gay Market traffic from Google reasonably well [edit] Because i cant spell Google

10-15-2003, 02:29 PM	#22
angeleyes Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Wandering around FL using random Wireless Connections Posts: 3,584	ok... I clicked on the thread and I'm here now, so here is my spam LoverCash $30.00 per FREE Trial Sign-up. Niched out dating to fit general and targeted traffic: Several Straight niches, Shemale, Gay, Lesbian, BBW, Asian, Ebony, BDSM and so on. __________________ Need a Writer? Contact Me. I write quality descriptions, short erotic stories, quality one-liners.. whatever you need.

10-15-2003, 02:29 PM	#23
mastermcp3 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 343	lol oh come on if his shit maks sign ups its nothing todo with him he is doing his job in geting the sign ups ce u need to make it were they stay signed up thats not his job

10-15-2003, 02:36 PM	#25
GeXus Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Yo Mommas Pussy Posts: 3,320	Man you guys at CEcash must be craaazy.. This guy got an A in college ENGLISH!!!! DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND!! __________________

10-15-2003, 02:47 PM	#26
Tipsy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: See sig Posts: 6,989	Excsue me going off topic a bit but it's easier to jump in a thread than start loads of different ones about it... Fabian - I need to claim 250 bucks + a hat and t-shirt (need something to wear at Internext ) from the 2 mill prize thing. Who's best to contact about it? __________________ Ignorance is never bliss.

10-15-2003, 03:20 PM	#32
FabianC Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 1,616	WG, hit me up on ICQ .. haven't talked to you for a while