Letter from Iraq - GoFuckYourself.com

sperbonzo · 10-13-2003, 12:20 PM

This is straight from a Australian friend of mine who is working in Bagdad for an international security company.
Gives an interesting second view of what is happening over there.

G'day Bern (and everybody else)

The old iraqi in the palace who blew up the footy said he had never seen a football like it in Iraq before.
I know what you're saying about the reports on the tele but I probably shouldn't complain about the dickheads in the media who don't cover the positive stories as well, like 1200 fully operational schools being handed over to the Iraqis on Tuesday, thanks to them we all received a pay rise before we even got on the plane to come out here and we'll probably be in line for another one shortly.
Saddam and his henchmen spent billions on their palaces, casinos, hotels, and whorehouses and left the rest of the country to literally rust and rot away, even the essentials such as electricity generation (while all the time being able to blame it on the embargos). As for the once daily occurences of kidnap, murder, rape and torture there's no point in even going there. All I can say is that these people (and there are a lot of them) must be judged by the Iraqi people themselves as we in the west are far too soft for the job. 99% of the waste, wreckage and poverty in this country has absolutely nothing to do with the war.
As for the armchair experts who espouse that just Saddam could/should have been taken out they haven't a clue what they're talking about. This entire country needs to be rebuilt from scratch. The buildings, infrastructure, police, army, public service, the whole lot. And none of it can physically or financially happen without the Yanks, whatever people may think of them. All the constant sniping and negativity does absolutely nothing to help the engineers, planners etc, etc who are literally trying to bolt this country back together again. Clowns like Chirac are just playing politics with peoples lives. But then again, the only reason he wants a totally independant Iraq ASAP is so that he can re-establish in some form the oil contracts that he had when he was in bed with Saddam.
Anyway folks, gotta roll. Have to pop over to the palace and 'protect' the pool. It's not all beer and skittles over here you know.
All the best
Matt

I'm just throwing it into the mix.....you can make of it what you will

hyatla · 10-13-2003, 12:54 PM

mrthumbs · 10-13-2003, 12:59 PM

This is straight from an American friend of mine who is working in Bagdad for an international security company.
Gives an interesting second view of what is happening over there.

"Dude, bagdad is a pretty shitty place to be right now!!!!"

I'm just throwing it into the mix.....you can make of it what you will

directfiesta · 10-13-2003, 01:59 PM

Funny how it sounds just like Bush....

BTW, ask your friend if he found any WMD ??? You know, those things that Powell said at the UN that he knew where they were... and that needed to be taken care of right now...

If not, tell him to start looking and stop writing.

theking · 10-13-2003, 02:08 PM

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Originally posted by directfiesta
Funny how it sounds just like Bush....

BTW, ask your friend if he found any WMD ??? You know, those things that Powell said at the UN that he knew where they were... and that needed to be taken care of right now...

If not, tell him to start looking and stop writing.

I correspond with friends of mine that are still on active duty and are serving in Iraq as well as a few sons of friends of mine that are also serving. They all say similar things that were stated in the original post on this thread. They tell a much different story than what the media tells...as the media are explotive and sensationalistic in their reporting.

theking · 10-13-2003, 02:11 PM

directfiesta

I do not know if you read my last post about "imminent threat" but the links you posted were the media using the term "imminent threat" not the President...in other words their spin on what the President actually said. "Explotive and sensationalistic" and often a half truths.

Nas7782 · 10-13-2003, 02:13 PM

I google some letter writing and here's one I found.

http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle4121.htm

Interesting.

theking · 10-13-2003, 02:56 PM

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Originally posted by Nas7782
I google some letter writing and here's one I found.

http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle4121.htm

Interesting.

That particular letter is directed primarily towards a dislike for the President.

The letters that I receive from my friends speak primarily towards what is taking place in Iraq and the rapport with the Iraqi people. Some have made negative remarks about the President...usually the sons of my friends that are serving...and are on their first enlistment. All of my friends are career soldiers...other than some of their sons...and career soldiers...for the most part...are not into speaking out against their superiors which includes the President.

Webby · 10-13-2003, 03:01 PM

"Good News" don't matter a shit anymore in Iraq - the base facts are:

(a) Iraq was invaded "pre-emptively" by the US and a "coalition of the willing" - ie Blair, not the UK. This is in violation of international treatiies signed by both the US and UK - hence illegal.

(b) Iraq was invaded based on an agenda of the US who fed lies and deceit in order to justify this latest adventure. This lying continues almost on a daily basis.

(c) The US "war against terrorism" in Iraq killed many thousands of innocent people - there is nothing to say in defence of this.

(c) Iraq is a country under US military occupation, - it is not a free country that has been "liberated".

(d) With very few exception, this "war of terror" (duh??) in Iraq has zero support from the rest of the world.

Until two days ago the US Admin showed little inclination to get the fuck out of Iraq, but on the other hand, was asking for international support. (Come and pay the price of our fuck up. Why.. but no thanks!) Clearly others are not supporting a rogue regime in the US - they cannot be trusted.

Now, a few days later, yet again, the US and UK want another UNSC resolution with an undertaking which appears to suggest the US will get out by year end - but wait for it - the small print is in progress.

This problem was originally instigated by the US government and, as may be expected from previous adventures, there is now a desire to "opt out" at a time the actual war is slowly gaining momentum and body bags are being used.

There is a theory that goes.. "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction." - For this fraud on a "war against terrorism" the US will pay a very high price in the future, not just from "terrorists" (so labelled), but from many other countries in many different levels. I have zero sympathy since it is the US and UK who inflicted the damage and, rightly, the price will be paid.

PS.. As for "1200 fully operational schools being handed over to the Iraqis on Tuesday" - Where the hell did they come from?? They must be working so hard out there - sorry.. gimme a break!

Yet another lie!

Webby · 10-13-2003, 03:12 PM

theKing:

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Iraq and the rapport with the Iraqi people.

Sheesh.. don't ever try to tell anyone that there is ANY "rapport" with the Iraqi people since this has absolutely ZERO foundation.

In fact, you outta know this - the main problem with the US military is that it has NADA capability of having a rapport with a Big Mac.

As Rice said, "Our military are trained to fight and kill and that's what they should be doing". She admitted the weakness of an inability at any peacekeeping or rapport function at the same time saying a lot about the bitch.

There are no forces in the western world who are less able to have a "rapport" than the US military. When did they last do this??? This also extends to the government - who the fuck is out of step in this world? Must be everyone else cos it could not be the US

theking · 10-13-2003, 03:13 PM

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Originally posted by Webby
"Good News" don't matter a shit anymore in Iraq - the base facts are:

(a) Iraq was invaded "pre-emptively" by the US and a "coalition of the willing" - ie Blair, not the UK. This is in violation of international treatiies signed by both the US and UK - hence illegal.

(b) Iraq was invaded based on an agenda of the US who fed lies and deceit in order to justify this latest adventure. This lying continues almost on a daily basis.

(c) The US "war against terrorism" in Iraq killed many thousands of innocent people - there is nothing to say in defence of this.

(c) Iraq is a country under US military occupation, - it is not a free country that has been "liberated".

(d) With very few exception, this "war of terror" (duh??) in Iraq has zero support from the rest of the world.

Until two days ago the US Admin showed little inclination to get the fuck out of Iraq, but on the other hand, was asking for international support. (Come and pay the price of our fuck up. Why.. but no thanks!) Clearly others are not supporting a rogue regime in the US - they cannot be trusted.

Now, a few days later, yet again, the US and UK want another UNSC resolution with an undertaking which appears to suggest the US will get out by year end - but wait for it - the small print is in progress.

This problem was originally instigated by the US government and, as may be expected from previous adventures, there is now a desire to "opt out" at a time the actual war is slowly gaining momentum and body bags are being used.

There is a theory that goes.. "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction." - For this fraud on a "war against terrorism" the US will pay a very high price in the future, not just from "terrorists" (so labelled), but from many other countries in many different levels. I have zero sympathy since it is the US and UK who inflicted the damage and, rightly, the price will be paid.

PS.. As for "1200 fully operational schools being handed over to the Iraqis on Tuesday" - Where the hell did they come from?? They must be working so hard out there - sorry.. gimme a break! Yet another lie!

As usual...your post contains...some half truths...BS...and subjective vehement...hate filled opinons.

Of course "good news" matters. It matters to the Iraqi's...it matters to the region...it matters to the world...it matters to Americans.

rooster · 10-13-2003, 03:14 PM

http://washingtontimes.com/op-ed/200...4214-7437r.htm

and a new developing story on drudge..

"POLL: 71 percent of Baghdad residents feel U.S. troops should not leave Iraq in coming months... Developing... "

Webby · 10-13-2003, 03:14 PM

theKing:

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As usual...your post contains...some half truths...BS...and subjective vehement...hate filled opinons.

God bless ya cos ya sure need it!

theking · 10-13-2003, 03:20 PM

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Originally posted by rooster
http://washingtontimes.com/op-ed/200...4214-7437r.htm

and a new developing story on drudge..

"POLL: 71 percent of Baghdad residents feel U.S. troops should not leave Iraq in coming months... Developing... "

This is only one of several polls that have been done (I think it is the lastest and the first done by Gallup) and all had similar results.

Webby · 10-13-2003, 03:20 PM

rooster:

I made a prediction months back.. (and I'm amazed they seem to come true, even back to 10 days into the Texas Village Idiot's "presidency"), that Bremner would be out of Iraq by the year end. Gimme some leeway, but tis gonna happen.

The sooner the US forks out all the damage money for Iraqi and gets the fuck back to these States the better for all. But I hope they don't expect to sit in middle America and moan about shit like "French Fries" and not be attacked in future - tis only a matter of time.

rooster · 10-13-2003, 03:22 PM

well thats your opinon, but obviously the other course of action of sitting on our hands for eight years and doing nothing didnt prevent terrorist attacks.

theking · 10-13-2003, 03:26 PM

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Originally posted by Webby
theKing:

Sheesh.. don't ever try to tell anyone that there is ANY "rapport" with the Iraqi people since this has absolutely ZERO foundation.

In fact, you outta know this - the main problem with the US military is that it has NADA capability of having a rapport with a Big Mac.

As Rice said, "Our military are trained to fight and kill and that's what they should be doing". She admitted the weakness of an inability at any peacekeeping or rapport function at the same time saying a lot about the bitch.

There are no forces in the western world who are less able to have a "rapport" than the US military. When did they last do this??? This also extends to the government - who the fuck is out of step in this world? Must be everyone else cos it could not be the US

The soldiers that I am corresponding with tell me that for the most part there is good rapport...between them and the Iraqi's.

An andecdote...

Bruce Willis just recently came back from Iraq and he said that he was all over the country in small towns that are seldom if ever talked about in the media...and he said the rapport between the troops and the Iraqi's is very good and that the troops go out of their way to assist the Iraqi's.

With your hate filled mind...you of course will prefer to believe the opposite.

Webby · 10-13-2003, 03:27 PM

rooster:

Instead of looking at "them"... think of why they would ever, in the first instance, want to attack the US.

I ain't cos someone got the wrong popcorn flavor one day or they woke up one morning and decided to form a "terrorist network"!

And, contrary to the old cliche.. it ain't cos they are jealous or they hate the US.

Think about it!

PS.. Does Brazil, Finland, blah get attacked by "Islamic fundamentalists"?? Don't think so....

Webby · 10-13-2003, 03:31 PM

theKing:

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The soldiers that I am corresponding with tell me that for the most part there is good rapport...between them and the Iraqi's.

I'm very please they consider they have a good rapport.

Apart from the actual news articles today of killings of US troops.. how many other attacks were there?? The figure seems to be in the 1500 -1700 a month.. that is, if you can accept the Pentagon's stats. Yea... this rapport is a good thing - tell em to keep it up!

Loryn · 10-13-2003, 03:31 PM

Thank you! It's good to hear that those poor people can finally stop living in fear and start to learn and grow. I know one day soon their children will be able to ride bikes in the streets and play with other children.

theking · 10-13-2003, 03:34 PM

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Originally posted by Webby
rooster:

Instead of looking at "them"... think of why they would ever, in the first instance, want to attack the US.

I ain't cos someone got the wrong popcorn flavor one day or they woke up one morning and decided to form a "terrorist network"!

And, contrary to the old cliche.. it ain't cos they are jealous or they hate the US.

Think about it!

PS.. Does Brazil, Finland, blah get attacked by "Islamic fundamentalists"?? Don't think so....

The foreign policy of the USA is not...and will not be...and should not be dictated by those that may not like our foreign policy/policies.

Webby · 10-13-2003, 03:39 PM

theKing:

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The foreign policy of the USA is not...and will not be...and should not be dictated by those that may not like our foreign policy.

The thing you call "foreign policy" ain't. It is a trail of utter disaster from Vietnam to Chile to Israel to Liberia to Afghanistan to Iraq.

It has involved the deposing of democratically elected leaders, the support and involvment in torture and killings of many 1000's and a list that goes on and on.

Frankly.. you have NO CREDIBILITY - the US is actually a rogue regime and has nada respect in this world.

Ain't worth even discussing no more!

Nanda · 10-13-2003, 03:40 PM

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Originally posted by Loryn-Adult.com
Thank you! It's good to hear that those poor people can finally stop living in fear and start to learn and grow. I know one day soon their children will be able to ride bikes in the streets and play with other children.

I totally agree!!

theking · 10-13-2003, 03:44 PM

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Originally posted by Webby
theKing:

I'm very please they consider they have a good rapport.

Apart from the actual news articles today of killings of US troops.. how many other attacks were there?? The figure seems to be in the 1500 -1700 a month.. that is, if you can accept the Pentagon's stats. Yea... this rapport is a good thing - tell em to keep it up!

There are 27 million Iraqi's...and approximately (as poll results show) as many as a third are not happy campers. Nothing new about that. Of the third there have been a few hundred-a few thousand that have been involved in attacking US forces...of that number two hundred plus that have been captured are not Iraqi's...they are foreign fighters...and some have been members of al Qeada.

Webby · 10-13-2003, 03:45 PM

theKing:

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The foreign policy of the USA is not...and will not be...and should not be dictated by those that may not like our foreign policy/policies.

And this was a reply to:

Quote:

Originally posted by Webby

Instead of looking at "them"... think of why they would ever, in the first instance, want to attack the US.

I ain't cos someone got the wrong popcorn flavor one day or they woke up one morning and decided to form a "terrorist network"!

And, contrary to the old cliche.. it ain't cos they are jealous or they hate the US.

Think about it!

PS.. Does Brazil, Finland, blah get attacked by "Islamic fundamentalists"?? Don't think so....

Where is the logic???? You living in some fantasy???

theking · 10-13-2003, 03:49 PM

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Originally posted by Webby
theKing:

The thing you call "foreign policy" ain't. It is a trail of utter disaster from Vietnam to Chile to Israel to Liberia to Afghanistan to Iraq.

It has involved the deposing of democratically elected leaders, the support and involvment in torture and killings of many 1000's and a list that goes on and on.

Frankly.. you have NO CREDIBILITY - the US is actually a rogue regime and has nada respect in this world.

Ain't worth even discussing no more!

The hate filled opinion of Webby from Webby World...no more...and I am pleased that you will not be posting about the USA again.

theking · 10-13-2003, 03:53 PM

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Originally posted by Webby
theKing:

Where is the logic???? You living in some fantasy???

Your implication was that it is the actions/foreign policy of the USA that are the cause of the attacks...and of course you understand my reponse perfectly well...unless you are acquiring the "Centurion" syndrome...lack of comprehension.

Adorno · 10-13-2003, 03:55 PM

Dear retards,

That was a poll of Baghdad residents and should not be viewed as indicative of the rest of the country. It would be as valid as if I went into Dallas and asked if Bush was doing a good job and then said "see, the United States loves Bush".

idiots.

I can see it is going to be another long night of swinging the idiot stick.

Phoenix · 10-13-2003, 03:55 PM

i'm not positive..but i dont hink the Us has an option to get out of Iraq.when they went in with out support from the UN and decimated the countrys infrastrcuture and government. They assumed a responsibility and they owe the people of Iraq.

That is what will get Bush into hot water very shortly..when all the people who supported him and his oil-military industrial complex realise that they have signed up to shovel over at least 2-3 trillion dollars into iraq. He signed everyone up for more money then was thought..and now they will out him for it.

Hopefully the oil there will compensate for the money spent..but i have to wonder...who gets the money from the oil?..will it be the people who paid for everything as in the taxpayers?...i bet they are two different enities.

I could be wrong but i think if the us simply leaves...it will violate international law.

Webby · 10-13-2003, 03:56 PM

theKing:

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There are 27 million Iraqi's...and approximately (as poll results show) as many as a third are not happy campers. Nothing new about that. Of the third there have been a few hundred-a few thousand that have been involved in attacking US forces...of that number two hundred plus that have been captured are not Iraqi's...they are foreign fighters...and some have been members of al Qeada.

Ah is that right? I never knew!

And of course we have the al Qeada connection - always a good standby!

Did you know al Qeada are in Venezula now?? Or at least according to the US Admin. We got all these common factors once again.. like oil.... Yet still more bullshit.

Yea.. I'm feel pleased ya "liberated" and are taking care of the women and children of Iraq - pity ya had to blow the limbs off many to achieve your ends.

And.. the other "forgotten" ones in the last US adventure - give a thought to the .. over 250,000 who suffered and died in the desert by the droves while the US played games in Afghanistan. Don't ever think you have EVER experienced anything like these conditions while you sit on your ass in front of a computer in pampered land and spout the words of the righteous.

Webby · 10-13-2003, 04:00 PM

theKing:

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Your implication was that it is the actions/foreign policy of the USA that are the cause of the attacks...and of course you understand my reponse perfectly well...unless you are acquiring the "Centurion" syndrome...lack of comprehension.

Yea?? Ah.. No, that was not my intention.

However, ask this and let it sink in for one moment. Why is the US the subject of attacks???

Is it because the world hates you? Is it because others just collect millions with the sole aim of waking up one day and saying we need someone to attack - hell yea - let's attack the US this week.

You lacking in some logic somewhere??? Or is it just that state of denial??

bushwacker · 10-13-2003, 04:05 PM

Best entertainment on GFY.....when the King and Webby debate

Webby · 10-13-2003, 04:06 PM

Phoenix:

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i'm not positive..but i dont hink the Us has an option to get out of Iraq.when they went in with out support from the UN and decimated the countrys infrastrcuture and government. They assumed a responsibility and they owe the people of Iraq.

That is what will get Bush into hot water very shortly..when all the people who supported him and his oil-military industrial complex realise that they have signed up to shovel over at least 2-3 trillion dollars into iraq. He signed everyone up for more money then was thought..and now they will out him for it.

Frankly I would not wince if Bush and his crime family got a bullet in the head. Tis the best thing for them. Alternatively, if ya are feeling more vicious, let em be at the recieving em of they greed policies and suffer.

It is an enormous pity that this total imbecile has caused so much damage in such a short time to both the US as a country and to it's relations with other countries.

Webby · 10-13-2003, 04:10 PM

bushwacker:

Quote:

Best entertainment on GFY.....when the King and Webby debate

You think we have a difference of views someplace??

brand0n · 10-13-2003, 04:13 PM

they would just choke on our sweet air of freedom

bushwacker · 10-13-2003, 04:15 PM

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Originally posted by Webby
bushwacker:

You think we have a difference of views someplace??

Yes you do

theking · 10-13-2003, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Webby
theKing:

Ah is that right? I never knew!

And of course we have the al Qeada connection - always a good standby!

Did you know al Qeada are in Venezula now?? Or at least according to the US Admin. We got all these common factors once again.. like oil.... Yet still more bullshit.

Yea.. I'm feel pleased ya "liberated" and are taking care of the women and children of Iraq - pity ya had to blow the limbs off many to achieve your ends.

And.. the other "forgotten" ones in the last US adventure - give a thought to the .. over 250,000 who suffered and died in the desert by the droves while the US played games in Afghanistan. Don't ever think you have EVER experienced anything like these conditions while you sit on your ass in front of a computer in pampered land and spout the words of the righteous.

I am not surprised that there may be al Qaeda in Venezula...as it is reported that al Qaeda cells were dispersed to between 70-90 countries. It is reported that maybe as many as 70,000 went through al Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan...though I doubt that there is anywere close to that number in the combined cells around the world.

The Taliban leader in Afganistan was given a choice...surrender Bin Laden or face the consequences...he chose the later...so it was his decision to cause...MORE suffering for "his" people. The same thing applies to Iraq...it was Saddam's decision...to bring MORE suffering to "his" people by not complying with any one of the 17 UN Resolutions...including the last one...1441. In the case of Saddam...he never saw a bad decision that he didn't like.

Webby · 10-13-2003, 04:21 PM

brand0n:

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they would just choke on our sweet air of freedom

?? Who? If you are talking about "our" as in US "our".. well hell.. ya just fell for another myth.. these "values" and "freedoms" are shallow.

ANY country in the western world has more freedoms than the US has - especially right now.

Did you know for example... if you are unfortunate enough to be a "US citizen" you ain't got no freedoms if you decided to live in another country for a while - you are still stuck with the IRS and taxes worldwide. Only very few other "backward" countries like Lybia forced their folks to do this.

Did you know you got more chance of being locked up in this land of "freedom" than any place else??

As for a US passport.. na.. not a good idea if ya want to travel abroad

Webby · 10-13-2003, 04:28 PM

theKing:

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I am not surprised that there may be al Qaeda in Venezula...

Oh hell.. I ain't gonna read the rest.. first bit was too funny!

It is clear you also know fuck all about your fine country's involvement in Venezula - and for that matter other South American coutries who get pumped with US bribes and where the US is supporting military regimes with disasterous human rights records.

Yea.. and we seem to have this problem about comprehension as to why some may attack you?

I think the US should get the Nobel Peace prize

theking · 10-13-2003, 04:30 PM

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Originally posted by Webby
theKing:

Yea?? Ah.. No, that was not my intention.

However, ask this and let it sink in for one moment. Why is the US the subject of attacks???

Is it because the world hates you? Is it because others just collect millions with the sole aim of waking up one day and saying we need someone to attack - hell yea - let's attack the US this week.

You lacking in some logic somewhere??? Or is it just that state of denial??

If the US is not hated and is not under attack because of its actions/foreign policy-policies then please educate me with the "wisdom" of Webby.

theking · 10-13-2003, 04:35 PM

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Originally posted by Webby
theKing:

Oh hell.. I ain't gonna read the rest.. first bit was too funny!

It is clear you also know fuck all about your fine country's involvement in Venezula - and for that matter other South American coutries who get pumped with US bribes and where the US is supporting military regimes with disasterous human rights records.

Yea.. and we seem to have this problem about comprehension as to why some may attack you?

I think the US should get the Nobel Peace prize

What I do know is this...the Government acts...and always has...in what it perceives to be in its own best interest...as it should. If others have a problem with this...so be it...if there are unfornunate consequences...as is sometimes the case...so be it.

theking · 10-13-2003, 04:37 PM

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Originally posted by Adorno
Dear retards,

That was a poll of Baghdad residents and should not be viewed as indicative of the rest of the country. It would be as valid as if I went into Dallas and asked if Bush was doing a good job and then said "see, the United States loves Bush".

idiots.

I can see it is going to be another long night of swinging the idiot stick.

Not all of the multiple polls were taken just inside Baghdad...and all showed similar results.

Webby · 10-13-2003, 04:44 PM

theKing:

King.. I have been very accomodating about US stuff for a long while now... But it ain't there - something is very noticeably missing.

There is a very BIG difference between US opinion and that of the rest of the world. In fact, almost a total lack of communication or understanding accompanied by a "moral high ground" that is plastered with "patriotism" and bullshit. No other country, with the exception of "extreme" states - yea, the one's the US would "designate" terrorist states - disseminate this bullshit.

Example.. simple one! There is an possible trade agreement, CAFTA, due for signing in Decemeber. Along comes a US total mouth visiting other countries and makes statements like "It's a priviledge to trade with the US" and "we are writing the rules of this agreement" Reaction?? Fuck off back to the US. Why? Because of the arrogance and the previous trade agreements the US has made to the great cost of other nations. He effectively fucked CAFTA by his stupid and ignornant mouth.

Now other countries ain't into giving up cheap goods for the benefit of those in pampered land while their people starve.

You ain't better than anyone on this planet, but think otherwise - The world does not owe you a living - You have nada comprehension of the real world outside Arkansas or wherever and are taught (not that ya can even agree on your own history in schools) that "others" are demons and out to get - totally paranoid!!

I give up... but peace to ya!!

Webby · 10-13-2003, 04:47 PM

theKing:

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What I do know is this...the Government acts...and always has...in what it perceives to be in its own best interest...as it should. If others have a problem with this...so be it...if there are unfornunate consequences...as is sometimes the case...so be it.

I suppose that is a statement similar to the one I mentioned about CAFTA...

My reaction is much the same - fuck off and stay in the US and don't venture outside - ya ain't welcome.

69pornlinks · 10-13-2003, 04:47 PM

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Originally posted by sperbonzo
like 1200 fully operational schools being handed over to the Iraqis on Tuesday,

they built 1200 schools wihtin 3 months give or take a month.

QUOTE]Originally posted by sperbonzo
Saddam and his henchmen spent billions on their palaces, casinos, hotels, and whorehouses and left the rest of the country to literally rust and rot away, [/QUOTE]

sort of like what bush and his pals are doing to the good ole u.s.a

Baal · 10-13-2003, 04:49 PM

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Originally posted by sperbonzo
...spent billions on their palaces, casinos, hotels, and whorehouses and left the rest of the country to literally rust and rot away, even the essentials such as electricity generation (while all the time being able to blame it on the embargos).

Haha, sounds like he was talking about California. When can I expect an invasion (I live in Cali)?

Adorno · 10-13-2003, 04:51 PM

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Originally posted by theking

Not all of the multiple polls were taken just inside Baghdad...and all showed similar results.

I never understood people who place such faith in polls. Polls are the worst measure of public sentiment available.

Where did they conduct this "poll"? In the bread line? Was it performed at a Mosque?

Polls. utterly useless. On both sides of the fence. I would trust a poll performed under the watchful eye of the administration as I would a poll done by Al Jazeera.

What is a good measure of public sentiment to me? The rise of suicides among active duty, the killing of American soldiers on a nearly daily basis. wait wait, save it, I can hear it already... those are foreign fighters killing our children. I know, the "polls" say Iraqis love us.

Send me to Iraq to conduct a poll, I bet I could find a sample that declared a burning hatred of the United States 98% of the time.

Feline · 10-13-2003, 04:54 PM

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Originally posted by Webby
theKing:

Yea?? Ah.. No, that was not my intention.

However, ask this and let it sink in for one moment. Why is the US the subject of attacks???

Is it because the world hates you? Is it because others just collect millions with the sole aim of waking up one day and saying we need someone to attack - hell yea - let's attack the US this week.

You lacking in some logic somewhere??? Or is it just that state of denial??

Bitch Shut The fuck up, stop yapping ur trap if you dont know what u are saying....fucking jealous of the states....ignorant bitch

Webby · 10-13-2003, 04:59 PM

Feline:

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Bitch Shut The fuck up, stop yapping ur trap if you dont know what u are saying....fucking jealous of the states....ignorant bitch

Jealous??? What.. you in some fantasy land or just plain stupid??

Notice ya seem to be incapable of addressing the post you elected to resond to... In case you missed it.. here it is again.. you got an answer? If not just quietly go

Quote:

Yea?? Ah.. No, that was not my intention.

However, ask this and let it sink in for one moment. Why is the US the subject of attacks???

Is it because the world hates you? Is it because others just collect millions with the sole aim of waking up one day and saying we need someone to attack - hell yea - let's attack the US this week.

You lacking in some logic somewhere??? Or is it just that state of denial??

theking · 10-13-2003, 04:59 PM

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Originally posted by Adorno

I never understood people who place such faith in polls. Polls are the worst measure of public sentiment available.

Where did they conduct this "poll"? In the bread line? Was it performed at a Mosque?

Polls. utterly useless. On both sides of the fence. I would trust a poll performed under the watchful eye of the administration as I would a poll done by Al Jazeera.

What is a good measure of public sentiment to me? The rise of suicides among active duty, the killing of American soldiers on a nearly daily basis. wait wait, save it, I can hear it already... those are foreign fighters killing our children. I know, the "polls" say Iraqis love us.

Send me to Iraq to conduct a poll, I bet I could find a sample that declared a burning hatred of the United States 98% of the time.

I have always stated that polls can be...and often are...manipulated...based upon the agenda of the polling org. It is important to know what specific questions were asked. Gallup...I believe...is one of the most reputable polling orgs and post all of the questions asked...the sample taken and the margin of error.

10-13-2003, 12:20 PM	#1
sperbonzo I'd rather be on my boat. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 9,748	Letter from Iraq This is straight from a Australian friend of mine who is working in Bagdad for an international security company. Gives an interesting second view of what is happening over there. G'day Bern (and everybody else) The old iraqi in the palace who blew up the footy said he had never seen a football like it in Iraq before. I know what you're saying about the reports on the tele but I probably shouldn't complain about the dickheads in the media who don't cover the positive stories as well, like 1200 fully operational schools being handed over to the Iraqis on Tuesday, thanks to them we all received a pay rise before we even got on the plane to come out here and we'll probably be in line for another one shortly. Saddam and his henchmen spent billions on their palaces, casinos, hotels, and whorehouses and left the rest of the country to literally rust and rot away, even the essentials such as electricity generation (while all the time being able to blame it on the embargos). As for the once daily occurences of kidnap, murder, rape and torture there's no point in even going there. All I can say is that these people (and there are a lot of them) must be judged by the Iraqi people themselves as we in the west are far too soft for the job. 99% of the waste, wreckage and poverty in this country has absolutely nothing to do with the war. As for the armchair experts who espouse that just Saddam could/should have been taken out they haven't a clue what they're talking about. This entire country needs to be rebuilt from scratch. The buildings, infrastructure, police, army, public service, the whole lot. And none of it can physically or financially happen without the Yanks, whatever people may think of them. All the constant sniping and negativity does absolutely nothing to help the engineers, planners etc, etc who are literally trying to bolt this country back together again. Clowns like Chirac are just playing politics with peoples lives. But then again, the only reason he wants a totally independant Iraq ASAP is so that he can re-establish in some form the oil contracts that he had when he was in bed with Saddam. Anyway folks, gotta roll. Have to pop over to the palace and 'protect' the pool. It's not all beer and skittles over here you know. All the best Matt I'm just throwing it into the mix.....you can make of it what you will

10-13-2003, 12:54 PM	#2
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10-13-2003, 01:59 PM	#4
directfiesta Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 29,678	Funny how it sounds just like Bush.... BTW, ask your friend if he found any WMD ??? You know, those things that Powell said at the UN that he knew where they were... and that needed to be taken care of right now... If not, tell him to start looking and stop writing. __________________ I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT ! But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

10-13-2003, 02:11 PM	#6
theking Nice Kitty Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The good old USA!!! Posts: 21,053	directfiesta I do not know if you read my last post about "imminent threat" but the links you posted were the media using the term "imminent threat" not the President...in other words their spin on what the President actually said. "Explotive and sensationalistic" and often a half truths. __________________ When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me! FOR THE LYING LOWLIFE POSTING AS PATHFINDER...https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...athfinder.html

10-13-2003, 03:31 PM	#20
Loryn Super Connector Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 12,853	Thank you! It's good to hear that those poor people can finally stop living in fear and start to learn and grow. I know one day soon their children will be able to ride bikes in the streets and play with other children. __________________ ~ loryn@loryntaylor . com ~ RIP TD

10-13-2003, 12:59 PM	#3
mrthumbs salad tossing sig guy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: mrthumbs*gmail.com Posts: 11,702	This is straight from an American friend of mine who is working in Bagdad for an international security company. Gives an interesting second view of what is happening over there. "Dude, bagdad is a pretty shitty place to be right now!!!!" I'm just throwing it into the mix.....you can make of it what you will

10-13-2003, 02:13 PM	#7
Nas7782 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: .US Posts: 493	I google some letter writing and here's one I found. http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle4121.htm Interesting.

10-13-2003, 03:01 PM	#9
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	"Good News" don't matter a shit anymore in Iraq - the base facts are: (a) Iraq was invaded "pre-emptively" by the US and a "coalition of the willing" - ie Blair, not the UK. This is in violation of international treatiies signed by both the US and UK - hence illegal. (b) Iraq was invaded based on an agenda of the US who fed lies and deceit in order to justify this latest adventure. This lying continues almost on a daily basis. (c) The US "war against terrorism" in Iraq killed many thousands of innocent people - there is nothing to say in defence of this. (c) Iraq is a country under US military occupation, - it is not a free country that has been "liberated". (d) With very few exception, this "war of terror" (duh??) in Iraq has zero support from the rest of the world. Until two days ago the US Admin showed little inclination to get the fuck out of Iraq, but on the other hand, was asking for international support. (Come and pay the price of our fuck up. Why.. but no thanks!) Clearly others are not supporting a rogue regime in the US - they cannot be trusted. Now, a few days later, yet again, the US and UK want another UNSC resolution with an undertaking which appears to suggest the US will get out by year end - but wait for it - the small print is in progress. This problem was originally instigated by the US government and, as may be expected from previous adventures, there is now a desire to "opt out" at a time the actual war is slowly gaining momentum and body bags are being used. There is a theory that goes.. "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction." - For this fraud on a "war against terrorism" the US will pay a very high price in the future, not just from "terrorists" (so labelled), but from many other countries in many different levels. I have zero sympathy since it is the US and UK who inflicted the damage and, rightly, the price will be paid. PS.. As for "1200 fully operational schools being handed over to the Iraqis on Tuesday" - Where the hell did they come from?? They must be working so hard out there - sorry.. gimme a break! Yet another lie!

10-13-2003, 03:14 PM	#12
rooster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,384	http://washingtontimes.com/op-ed/200...4214-7437r.htm and a new developing story on drudge.. "POLL: 71 percent of Baghdad residents feel U.S. troops should not leave Iraq in coming months... Developing... "

10-13-2003, 03:20 PM	#15
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	rooster: I made a prediction months back.. (and I'm amazed they seem to come true, even back to 10 days into the Texas Village Idiot's "presidency"), that Bremner would be out of Iraq by the year end. Gimme some leeway, but tis gonna happen. The sooner the US forks out all the damage money for Iraqi and gets the fuck back to these States the better for all. But I hope they don't expect to sit in middle America and moan about shit like "French Fries" and not be attacked in future - tis only a matter of time.

10-13-2003, 03:22 PM	#16
rooster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,384	well thats your opinon, but obviously the other course of action of sitting on our hands for eight years and doing nothing didnt prevent terrorist attacks.

10-13-2003, 03:27 PM	#18
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	rooster: Instead of looking at "them"... think of why they would ever, in the first instance, want to attack the US. I ain't cos someone got the wrong popcorn flavor one day or they woke up one morning and decided to form a "terrorist network"! And, contrary to the old cliche.. it ain't cos they are jealous or they hate the US. Think about it! PS.. Does Brazil, Finland, blah get attacked by "Islamic fundamentalists"?? Don't think so....

10-13-2003, 03:55 PM	#28
Adorno So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 303	Dear retards, That was a poll of Baghdad residents and should not be viewed as indicative of the rest of the country. It would be as valid as if I went into Dallas and asked if Bush was doing a good job and then said "see, the United States loves Bush". idiots. I can see it is going to be another long night of swinging the idiot stick.

10-13-2003, 03:55 PM	#29
Phoenix BACON BACON BACON Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Poems everybody, the laddie fancies himself a poet Posts: 35,462	i'm not positive..but i dont hink the Us has an option to get out of Iraq.when they went in with out support from the UN and decimated the countrys infrastrcuture and government. They assumed a responsibility and they owe the people of Iraq. That is what will get Bush into hot water very shortly..when all the people who supported him and his oil-military industrial complex realise that they have signed up to shovel over at least 2-3 trillion dollars into iraq. He signed everyone up for more money then was thought..and now they will out him for it. Hopefully the oil there will compensate for the money spent..but i have to wonder...who gets the money from the oil?..will it be the people who paid for everything as in the taxpayers?...i bet they are two different enities. I could be wrong but i think if the us simply leaves...it will violate international law. __________________ Skype Phoenixskype1 Telegram PhoenixBrad https://quantads.io

10-13-2003, 04:05 PM	#32
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10-13-2003, 04:13 PM	#35
brand0n been very busy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: the queen city Posts: 26,983	they would just choke on our sweet air of freedom __________________ want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

10-13-2003, 04:44 PM	#43
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	theKing: King.. I have been very accomodating about US stuff for a long while now... But it ain't there - something is very noticeably missing. There is a very BIG difference between US opinion and that of the rest of the world. In fact, almost a total lack of communication or understanding accompanied by a "moral high ground" that is plastered with "patriotism" and bullshit. No other country, with the exception of "extreme" states - yea, the one's the US would "designate" terrorist states - disseminate this bullshit. Example.. simple one! There is an possible trade agreement, CAFTA, due for signing in Decemeber. Along comes a US total mouth visiting other countries and makes statements like "It's a priviledge to trade with the US" and "we are writing the rules of this agreement" Reaction?? Fuck off back to the US. Why? Because of the arrogance and the previous trade agreements the US has made to the great cost of other nations. He effectively fucked CAFTA by his stupid and ignornant mouth. Now other countries ain't into giving up cheap goods for the benefit of those in pampered land while their people starve. You ain't better than anyone on this planet, but think otherwise - The world does not owe you a living - You have nada comprehension of the real world outside Arkansas or wherever and are taught (not that ya can even agree on your own history in schools) that "others" are demons and out to get - totally paranoid!! I give up... but peace to ya!!