<b>First off stop laughing</b>

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLMAOLMAO!

<b> it's ignorance, not ingnorance</b>

Gee, really? I forgot that I was perfect and am not allowed to make mistakes. Sorry.

<b>If your are from America then you sir are the one suffering ignorance - I suggest school - maybe you can learn something about what you are talking about!</b>

First off, I am not a 'sir'. I'm a female.

Second of all, the only INGNORANT(I made sure I spelled it the way you like it) one is YOU! You advocate the killing of a whole group of people and talk as if they don't deserve a good as life as anyone else. You just expressed your racism and pure INGNORANCE(oops, another typo!!!)

<b>Yeah France does'nt owe the US anything - but being nice guys we are and while saving the UK's ass we removed the Nazi's for them anyway - Next time I vote we let them stay -</b>


Yeah, I guess we paid them back for helping us out in the REVOLUTIONARY WAR!

Ooops, I forgot to mention that beautiful statue of liberty the French gave us.

By the way, it's 'doesn't', not 'does'nt'.


LOLOLOLOL(As per your request, I will continue to laugh)

You are doing nothing but expressing more ignorance. Stop listing to what the news tells you and engage in some independent research.

In this entire thread, you've yet to point out any point in history where Columbus was responsible for the murder of a single indian, let alone 90 percent of the indian population. We're all waiting, Mr Informed and Enlightened one.

Saying that he found the United States and lead people who would end up killing Indians does not fly. That's a huge stretch. That'd be comparable to a real estate agent selling a house to a would be murderer, and then being blamed for the deaths of his new neighbours. It's stupid.

Ahhh someone catches on. Im going back to my peace pipe now.

<b>First I don't have an SUV - Second if your trying to preach the we are there for the oil propoganda then you are not worth even talking too!</b>

Yes, that is what I'm saying.

And yes, that IS one of the reasons.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm

<b>If you knew anything about the demographics of the country you would know 90% of the people in Iraq live in the stone age and need water more then power</b>

Prove this by any means.

<b>Saddam was a mass murderer, he attacked other countries, he killed anyone who opposed him - he lived by the sword and if your trying to defend a person like that then you are indeed a dumbass!</b>

Yes, Saddam is no doubt a mass murderer, and I support him just about as much as I support Bush.

And....Bush too is a mass murderer. For he killed thousands of Afghanis. And turned around and killed thousands of Iraqis.


They are both fucked up people to me.

touchy are we? lol

sure you have every right to live wherever you want and i certainly have not attempted to repress your views. i simply asked the question.

i would just think that you would want to move to a country that you would be more happy with. one that supports your ideology and contempt for America.

I don't take everything our "corrupted government" dishes out with a smile and i am smart enough to see that it comes from ALL politicians regardless of party.

i do not limit my disdain for poilticians to just one party as your nic indicates. i choose to focus on how i can get ahead in any environment. i act on reason, not emotion.

winners find a way to win and losers usually just whine. the freedom i believe in allows you to choose between the two.

what you have chosen is apparent.

If Columbus was alive today, we wouldn't need to be rebuilding schools in Iraq to get their oil. We'd just sick Columbus on them.

<b>In this entire thread, you've yet to point out any point in history where Columbus was responsible for the murder of a single indian, let alone 90 percent of the indian population. We're all waiting, Mr Informed and Enlightened one.</b>

I'm a female. Please take note of that.

And as I have mentioned before, Columbus WAS the 'father' of so-called Western Civilization. He 'discovered' America. He led the people to kill the Natives just like Hitler led his people to kill millions of Jews.

<i>Saying that he found the United States and lead people who would end up killing Indians does not fly. That's a huge stretch. That'd be comparable to a real estate agent selling a house to a would be murderer, and then being blamed for the deaths of his new neighbours. It's stupid.</i>

So, according to you, Hitler was not really a murderer because he did not kill anyone with his bare hands.


Let me pose a question to you:

If I send my two friends to rob your house, am I not as responsible?

Loryn,... it was the Mayans as well as some lesser tribes. ;-)

If Columbus was alive today, we wouldn't need to be rebuilding schools in Iraq to get their oil. We'd just sick Columbus on them.

Yeah, kinda like how we've rebuild Afghanistan.

<b>i would just think that you would want to move to a country that you would be more happy with. one that supports your ideology and contempt for America.</b>

well, you thought wrong.

<b>I don't take everything our "corrupted government" dishes out with a smile and i am smart enough to see that it comes from ALL politicians regardless of party.</b>

no doubt about that. that is what government is.

<i>i do not limit my disdain for poilticians to just one party as your nic indicates. i choose to focus on how i can get ahead in any environment. i act on reason, not emotion.</i>

and you need to point out where i'm acting on emotions? if my name was '"lick my kitty", would you have though I was a prostitute, eventhough I'm not?

Stop putting so much emphasis on my nick.

<b>winners find a way to win and losers usually just whine. the freedom i believe in allows you to choose between the two.</b>

and this is from some total stranger who absolutely knows nothing about me. your little attempt to psycho-analyze me just failed big time. for you know nothing about my life and what i do.

i point out the good and bad in this world, and what's fucked up, i do my best to try and fix it. even if it means the little things. there's nothing wrong with being aware and 'whining' about the evilness in this world.

being quiet about it only produces more evilness. silence is deadly.

<b>what you have chosen is apparent.</b>

no, try again. but you must actually KNOW ME.

really? where are you getting your numbers?

really? where are you getting your numbers?


judging by your responses, you don't follow much of anything.

you seem kind of dumb to be a chick

never mind . . . soldiers can surrender if they want to live

Okay, Mrs. Informed and Enlightened one.

Yes. He discovered the large mass of land. He was an explorer. How is finding a country "just like" Hitler leading his people to kill millions of Jews. How is it even remotely similar?

That's funny. I don't remember even mentioning Hitler in my post. Hitler's intent was to kill Jews. Columbus' attempt was to find India. Murderer. Explorer. Do you not see the difference?

You didn't even acknowledge my analogy. Is a real estate agent responsible for the victims of a murderer that he sold a house to?

Hitler wanted to kill Jews. Hitler ordered people to kill Jews. Hitler incited hatred towards Jews. Colubus discovered a mass of land. Wow, it's like they were seperated at birth.

Of course you are. You sent them to rob my house. You intended for them to rob my house. However, say you sent two friends to my house to meet me, with no intention of them stealing my shit, and they went ahead and robbed me, then no, that's not your fault. Granted, you might feel a little shitty about your poor judgement of character, but you're not to blame for the robbery.

But hey, while we're at it. Columbus isn't the one to blame. What about the boat builder that built his boat. Fucking genocidal maniac, if he didn't build that boat so well, Columbus would have sunk at sea! It's the boat builder's fault!

Does that sound ludicrous? Good. 'Cause that's just one step away from how ridiculously misplaced your blame is.

you seem kind of dumb to be a chick


Actually, you remind me of that one little boy in class. You know, the one who suffers from all of those problems like ADHD and what not.

Now, this little boy can't catch up with the rest of the class, so he reacts anyway he can, which usually means making a whole bunch of stupid random comments.

And I usually feel bad for those little boys .

So, I pity you. However, you're never too old to learn, even if it's a slow process. And of course its sometimes slower for others.

come on now, no fair throwing logic into the discussion

so there is hope for you? glad to hear it

Slight correction, Chodadog. Columbus was trying to find a way to avoid the Jews. The spice market was insane and he wanted to find a cheaper source.

Hitler wanted to kill the jews, and the gypsies, and well the list goes on.

Spain finaced Columbus cause they were greedy and wanted to make more cash. Oh yeah and to throw a fuck you to a few other kingdoms.

Us Indians did not get discovered by Columbus, nor was our land mass. Columbus missed the continent and hit an island. Us indians had a problem with those puritans. True it was in our nature to help out starving people. Does it matter that we did? Yes, would it of altered much if we had not? Prolly not.

You all gave us some funky illnesses by accident, we kinda cool with that. It was a mistake, so we gave you all corn, but forgot to tell you how to properly grow it, so it made you all sick, an honest mistake. You all gave us alcohol, we in turn gave you tobacco, fair deal, we kill each other. You all gave us shiney things, we gave you our land, opps, so in return we had you all scared of tomatos for a long as time. Apparantly this really pissed you guys off so you gave us small pox blankets and ran out lil asses into the dirt.
We said uncle, then built casinos, now you all give us your money.

every country has do gooders with a cause. i guess you are it. lol

no, anti-bush made me assume you shave your twat. your emotions are indicative of your posts, not your nick.

you are a total stranger to Columbus, yet you have extrapolated many things. have you ever thought really hard about what you post?

yes, whining about Columbus on a porn board is a great start to "fixing it". lol

so is stupidity.

ROFLMAO. please, go play in traffic!

<b>Yes. He discovered the large mass of land. He was an explorer. How is finding a country "just like" Hitler leading his people to kill millions of Jews. How is it even remotely similar?</b>

Got Darnit, he didn't discover anything!

The country was already there. And the ONLY reason why they claim he discovered it is because he so-called helped America to it's civiliation. Not because he literally 'discovered' land.

http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=1967


<b>That's funny. I don't remember even mentioning Hitler in my post. Hitler's intent was to kill Jews. Columbus' attempt was to find India. Murderer. Explorer. Do you not see the difference?</b>

You didn't have to mention him, *I* mentioned him.

And Columbus was no damn explorer. He was a murder like Hitler. They both had an agenda. Only Hitler was a little more upfront with his. Also, The same way Columbus led the people to beleive the Native Americans were filthy is the same way Hitler led a whole group of people to believe the Jews were filthy.

NO DIFFERENCE.

<i>You didn't even acknowledge my analogy. Is a real estate agent responsible for the victims of a murderer that he sold a house to?</i>

That's because it's not analogous to Columbus.

<b>Hitler wanted to kill Jews. Hitler ordered people to kill Jews. Hitler incited hatred towards Jews. Colubus discovered a mass of land. Wow, it's like they were seperated at birth.</b>

That's funny. What land did he discover? Was it really that simple, or you're just in denial?


<b>Of course you are. You sent them to rob my house. You intended for them to rob my house. However, say you sent two friends to my house to meet me, with no intention of them stealing my shit, and they went ahead and robbed me, then no, that's not your fault. Granted, you might feel a little shitty about your poor judgement of character, but you're not to blame for the robbery.</b>

HAHAHAHA, so are you saying Columbus had no intentions of takiing land? Then why the did he 'discover' it in the first place? What was the purpose of his 'voyage? hmmmmm?

<b>But hey, while we're at it. Columbus isn't the one to blame. What about the boat builder that built his boat. Fucking genocidal maniac, if he didn't build that boat so well, Columbus would have sunk at sea! It's the boat builder's fault!</b>

More stupid 'anolagies' coming from you

<b>Does that sound ludacris? Good. 'Cause that's just one step away from how ridiculously misplaced your blame is.</b>

Nope. I have to actually make sense for me to judge.

You know, there actually <i>are</i> good arguements to suggest that Columbus was genocidal. I disagree with people that argue the point, but at least they're informed and have an idea of what they are talking about. Anti-bush, however, is obviously completely oblivious to the real evidece to support the genocidal Columbus arguement.

And you don't have to be so pedantic. You know damn right that when i say discovered, i mean discovered by europeans.

<b>no, anti-bush made me assume you shave your twat. your emotions are indicative of your posts, not your nick.</b>

those were two separate quotes. are you able to keep up? if i'm going too fast for you, just tell me and i'll just go at your pace. after all, i am for the people *rollz eyez*


<b>you are a total stranger to Columbus, yet you have extrapolated many things. have you ever thought really hard about what you post?</b>

lol, that was by far the dumbest piece of doo doo i have ever heard.

i will bounce this question back to youl: have you ever really thought hard about what you post?


<b>yes, whining about Columbus on a porn board is a great start to "fixing it". lol</b>

as long as you have your websites and your little 'business', you don't care about nothing else. i'm 'whining' to real people. you have no idea what i do in my life. but it seems to me as if you're trying really hard to know. just email me and i might tell you. ASSuming is not good.


but i'm stilll 'whining' with real people, right? hmm, are you saying that the people on here knows nothing about history and that you guys only know about porn?

<b>so is stupidity.</b>

yes, i am glad that you acknowledge that, so why are you still in stupid mode?


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Because we can.

This is so funny..... I haven't heard something as funny in a very, very long time!

Does anyone here actually celebrate Columbus? I haven't gotten any party invites.

<b>You know, there actually are good arguements to suggest that Columbus was genocidal. I disagree with people that argue the point, but at least they're informed and have an idea of what they are talking about. Anti-bush, however, is obviously completely oblivious to the real evidece to support the genocidal Columbus arguement.</b>

In other words, you're lost for words. Bottom Line: Columbus did not 'discover' America. The only thing he discovered was a a group of land hungry murderers.

i don't celebrate it and i live in America

<b>And you don't have to be so pedantic. You know damn right that when i say discovered, i mean discovered by europeans.</b>


They didn't discover shit. They knew it was there and they wanted so they took it.

And it doesn't matter what you say. Columbus discovered America because helped bring it to 'civilaztion'. Not because it was 'discovered' by Europeans.

<b>Does anyone here actually celebrate Columbus? I haven't gotten any party invites.</b>



No, not really. But it's still a national Holiday.


Ewwww, you're the sicko behind Consumption Junction? *pukes*

Hmmmm, freecontent:


I don't really find anything funny about that. Since your people(That's IF you're really Native America) only make up less than 1% of the US population, and are continuing to die from poverty related causes.

Actually Columbus visited both Latin and South America on his 4th voyage I believe it was.

And he WAS directly responsible for the enslavement as well as the deaths of quite a few Islanders.

Don't they teach history anymore or did everyone sleep thru it? :helpme

No. I'm not lost for words at all. I actually know the evidece to support your claims. You don't. You seem to think that the fact that he went there and planned to make wealth out of the expidition is the only evidence. Someone mentioned that the Spanish were the ones that slaughtered the indians, not columbus. I'm quite surprised you didn't on that one. If you knew anything about Columbus at all, you'd have been all over that one like a fly on shit.

The Government wanted another fucking day off !! :1orglaugh

Partytime

he was looking for a shortcut to India you idiot. Damn, your ignorance is really becoming irritating

I shall be back tomorrow.

You people are so ignorant. It's pitiful. This is what I call middle class America? No knowledge, no nothing. Just make the money and be merry.


Congratz baddog, I see that you're doing a little bit of research. You are on the right track. Too bad it's all twisted!


Ta Ta for now.

Mastermind?

The idiot thought he was in India..

chodadog,

I'll be back tomorrow with some sources for you. Are you sure you can handle it?


And if I didn't get on something, that's probably because I missed it. But I'll make sure I find it and respond to it.


Oh yeah, and what Gemini said. :)

research? Common fucking knowledge you dolt. This is research:

Today we take for granted that the world is round. In the fifteenth century, however, most people believed the world was flat. They thought that monsters or a trip over the edge of the earth waited for anybody who sailed outside the limits of known territory. People laughed at or jailed others who dared think that the world was in the shape of a globe.

There were educated persons, however, who reasoned that the world must be round. An Italian named Christopher Columbus was bold enough to push this notion, and ask for money to explore the seas, and find what he thought would be the other hemisphere of the earth. Portugal, Italy and England refused to support such a venture.

At that time, spice merchants were looking for an easier route to Asia. They traveled south past Africa, around the Cape of Good Hope, and continued eastward. Christopher Columbus convinced Queen Isabella of Spain that it would be easier to sail directly west and find the rich treasures of India and Asia. A new route would be found, he said, and possible new lands for Spain.

Columbus first asked Queen Isabella for help in 1486, but it was years before she agreed... provided that he conquer some of the islands and mainland for Spain. Columbus would also be given the title of "Admiral of All the Ocean Seas," and receive one-tenth of the riches that came from any of his discoveries.

Finally, on August 3, 1492, he and ninety men set sail on the flagship Santa Maria. Two other ships, the Nina and the Pinta, came with him. They sailed west. Three long months went by. His men became tired and sick, and threatened to turn the ships back. Columbus encouraged them, certain that they would find the spice trail to the East. On October 11th, ten o'clock at night, Columbus saw a light. The Pinta kept sailing, and reported that the light was, in fact, land. The next morning at dawn they landed.

Christopher Columbus and his crew had expected to see people native to India, or be taken to see the great leader Khan. They called the first people they saw "Indians." They had gone ashore in their best clothes, knelt and praised God for arriving safely. From the "Indians" they learned that the island was called Guanahani. Columbus christened it San Salvador and claimed it immediately for Spain. When they landed on the island that is now Cuba, they thought they were in Japan. After three subsequent voyages, Columbus was still unenlightened. He died a rich and famous man, but he never knew that he discovered lands that few people had imagined were there.

Columbus had stopped at what are now the Caribbean Islands, either Watling Island, Grand Turk Island, or Samana Cay. In 1926, Watling Island was renamed San Salvador and acknowledged as the first land in the New World. Recently, however, some people have begun to dispute the claim. Three men from Miami, Florida have started a movement to recognize Conception Island as the one that Columbus and his men first sighted and landed on. The controversy has not yet been resolve.

Few celebrations marked the discovery until hundreds of years later. The continent was not even named after Columbus, but an Italian explorer named Amerigo Vespucci. In 1792, a ceremony was held in New York honoring Columbus, and a monument was dedicated to him. Soon after that, the city of Washington was officially named the District of Columbia and became the capital of the United States. In 1892, a statue of Columbus was raised at the beginning of Columbus Avenue in New York City. At the Columbian Exposition held in Chicago that year, replicas of Columbus's three ships were displayed.

Americans might not have a Columbus Day if Christopher Columbus had not been born in Italy. Out of pride for their native son, the Italian population of New York City organized the first celebration of the discovery of America on October 12, 1866. The next year, more Italian Organizations in other cities held banquets, parades and dances on that date. In 1869, when Italians of San Francisco celebrated October 12, they called it Columbus Day.

In 1905, Colorado became the first state to observe a Columbus Day. Over the next few decades other states followed. In 1937, then- President Franklin Roosevelt proclaimed every October 12 as Columbus Day. Since 1971, it has been celebrated on the second Monday in October.

Although it is generally accepted that Christopher Columbus was the first European to have discovered the New World of the Americas, there is still some controversy over this claim. Some researchers and proponents of other explorers attribute the first sightings to the early Scandinavian Vikings or the voyages of Irish missionaries which predate the Columbus visit in 1492. The controversy may never be fully resolved to everyone's satisfaction, but 1992 marked the 500th anniversary of the Columbus discovery.

That's not research, well not yours anyway. That's called a cut and paste.

http://www.usis.usemb.se/Holidays/ce.../Columbus.html

:1orglaugh

excuse me, where did I say it was my research? I was giving an example so she would have a clue.

I'm sure anti-bush is capable of using Google.

sorry, but she has not convinced me of anything except that she is an opinionated ignoramus, ergo, probably not intelligent enough to use Google.

very well said

anti-bush don't you know how to click the QUOTE button? :1orglaugh Those bold "quotes" were like reading off of plaid playing cards. Something tells me, you don't belong in this industry or on this board for that matter.

I told you I dont argue with idiots. So shut your cock holster. :321GFY

So you are female -

Well sweetie

I never trust anything that bleeds for 5 days in a row and lives!