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tonymalice · 10-13-2003, 10:11 AM

J.M. Productions to Pursue Copyright Infringement Action against AdultBouncer.com

J.M. Productions (?J.M.?) has ascertained that AdultBouncer.com, a popular adult verification system that provides its affiliates with adult content, billing, and hosting services, has been unlawfully distributing unlicensed J.M. content to its affiliates. J.M. has demanded that Adultbouncer.com cease and desist from all further infringement. Adultbouncer.com?s actions are in clear violation of US Copyright law as would be the actions of any individual or entity who distributes any J.M. content without the prior express written consent of J.M. J.M. has not licensed any of its video content for Internet use.

J.M. is seeking to contact webmasters and affiliates of AdultBouncer.com who may have acquired J.M. content for use on their websites. By immediately removing any and all J.M content and by contacting J.M. to provide assistance in the ongoing investigation of AdultBouncer.com, webmasters may avoid being named in J.M.?s upcoming lawsuit against AdultBouncer.com and its principals.

J.M. is currently aware of the following titles that AdultBouncer.com has made available to its affiliates: Assy 6, Gag Factor 5, The Violation of Aurora Snow, The Violation of Briana Banks, The Violation of Katie Gold, The Violation of Kiki Daire, and Perverted Stories 34-36.

J.M. strongly urges webmasters who are using content from these or any other J.M. titles to remove them immediately, and contact J.M. at 818-772-1320 or via e-mail at [email protected]. J.M. Productions notes that these webmasters are also being victimized and exposed to liability by AdultBouncer.com, who has illegally provided them with our content under the guise of a valid licensing agreement. Again, by contacting J.M. Productions and providing them assistance in this matter, webmasters may seek to avoid costly fines, penalties, and reparations associated with copyright infringement.

J.M. Productions will pursue this matter to the full extent of the law, and will continue to diligently and aggressive pursue any and all future infringers in order to protect its copyrights.

Mutt · 10-13-2003, 10:14 AM

HALLE FUCKIN LUJAH!!!!!

and the wagons will continue to circle.

Tony hit me up at [email protected]

hyatla · 10-13-2003, 10:16 AM

I am adultbouncer's affiliate, will I be in trouble?

JSA Matt · 10-13-2003, 10:17 AM

AdultBouncer is the largest collection of stolen content anywhere

Suckitbitch · 10-13-2003, 10:22 AM

LONG LIVE GAG FACTOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Clean those fucking punks out.

Mutt · 10-13-2003, 10:23 AM

I told people it was going to happen and slowly but surely the sleeping giants of the Los Angeles XXX movie industry are awakening. And there's a content broker out there that better get its house in order as well.

BRISK · 10-13-2003, 10:27 AM

What took so long for them to finally take legal action?

cath · 10-13-2003, 10:29 AM

About time

gin · 10-13-2003, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tonymalice

J.M. strongly urges webmasters who are using content from these or any other J.M. titles to remove them immediately, and contact J.M. at 818-772-1320 or via e-mail at [email protected].

i would of picked a different email.. im sure the judge will love that one

Muff · 10-13-2003, 10:36 AM

I had a feeling Mutt would be first to hit this post.

BRISK · 10-13-2003, 10:45 AM

It's not just adultbouncer using the content illegally, a few months ago someone tried to sell me video content that was obviously ripped from the American Bukkake series.

Mutt · 10-13-2003, 10:53 AM

AdultBouncer ain't the only one, just the biggest and there are now AB clones popping up all over.

Sad thing is that so many webmasters who become affiliates of the big movie AVS systems really believe they have a legal license because that's what they've been told. NO WEB LICENSE ANYWHERE gives a licensee the right to trade the licensed content in return for any financial consideration, traffic or anything. It's standard in all web licenses, you are licensed only to use that content on domains you own and operate.

AB can buy their way out of any lawsuit, that's how much money they've made off their thievery. But that's not the case for their affiliates.

RedBumper · 10-13-2003, 10:55 AM

Let me get this straight...... the content adultbouncer and deluxepass offers his webmasters for free to download (i mean the content from their own content system) is illegal? Really?

FreeHugeMovies · 10-13-2003, 10:57 AM

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Originally posted by RedBumper
Let me get this straight...... the content adultbouncer and deluxepass offers his webmasters for free to download (i mean the content from their own content system) is illegal? Really?

No it is 100% LEGAL.

RedBumper · 10-13-2003, 10:59 AM

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Originally posted by FreeHugeMovies

No it is 100% LEGAL.

Then what's this all about?

playa · 10-13-2003, 11:01 AM

Hmm less free Porn,

i like this idea

AdultWebGraphics · 10-13-2003, 11:05 AM

hahahahaha

I hope those AB fucks get whats coming to them, Stupid asses owe me a couple thousands dollars for designs.

lucky482 · 10-13-2003, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
.....NO WEB LICENSE ANYWHERE gives a licensee the right to trade the licensed content in return for any financial consideration, traffic or anything.....

Well my license from my content broker allows me to trade/give out promotional clips for affiliates/traffic trades as long as it's 10 sec or shorter and has my domain watermarked. I think that is O.K.

BTW Mutt, which content broker are you talking about that needs to get their act together? Just want to know for future reference.

Thanks

Fletch XXX · 10-13-2003, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt

Sad thing is that so many webmasters who become affiliates of the big movie AVS systems really believe they have a legal license because that's what they've been told.

I see it all the time.

set up a movie mgp and create a member section of STOLEN movies.

these guys think their 'movie archives' are legit, when its simply DVDs that the AVS does NOT have license to.

Anyone recall the name of their 'toon archive?'

Mutt · 10-13-2003, 11:18 AM

well sure if your specific license covers that kind of usage you're fine. most content providers are happy to negotiate all kinds of uses including print, free content for affiliates, hosted gallery usage - it's the scumbags who decide they will interpret a license any way they see fit whose asses will be in a sling.

this shit has been done since the beginning of this business - anybody remember a leased plugin called PersonalPorn?

there's a very long thread on GFY i think started by FletchXXX about hosted galleries with licensed content.

Mutt · 10-13-2003, 11:22 AM

This is the toon archive i always post to show what AdultBouncer is, was and has always been about.

http://www.hentaivids.com

40 gigs of stolen content that AB knows about, has always known about and its this high quality stolen content multiplied by thousands which built Adult Bouncer into a 60,000 recurring members force.

LadyMischief · 10-13-2003, 11:26 AM

This should be a wakeup call to those who think it won't matter or they'll never be caught. Under US law, prosecuted to the full extent, even copyrighted IMAGES can carry a fine of $100,000 PER INFRINGEMENT (meaning every incidence of the image is a seperate infringement), as well as some heavy jail time. It's a FEDERAL OFFENCE, not just a joke, and although I don't know Adultbouncer, I don't envy their position right now.. Or those of any affiliates who don't take this lawsuit seriously. They are in violation of copyright as well, whether they know it or not, and ignorance is *NOT* an acceptable excuse in court. Period.

Oh, and if anyone wants a good scare, movies can be prosecuted (and have been in the past) as a SERIES of images, not just one entire thing. That brings the costs of infringement into the astronomical range. Definitely don't envy anyone on the recieving end of that one.. Yikes.

Project-Shadow · 10-13-2003, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
This is the toon archive i always post to show what AdultBouncer is, was and has always been about.

http://www.hentaivids.com

40 gigs of stolen content that AB knows about, has always known about and its this high quality stolen content multiplied by thousands which built Adult Bouncer into a 60,000 recurring members force.

0.o
Umm don't know if it makes a difference, but hentaivids is with AbBilling not Adultbouncer itself

Greg B · 10-13-2003, 11:35 AM

Heavans to murgatroid!!!

Say it ain't so!!!

Mutt · 10-13-2003, 11:37 AM

what is ABBilling? AdultBouncer with ABBilling is now calling itself an IPSP? Guarantee you that they haven't been designated one by VISA anywhere in the world. They used to process through IBILL - pretty sure IBILL chased them out and they went to their own merchant account overseas.

Project-Shadow · 10-13-2003, 11:37 AM

Oh yeah.. and umm

You might wanna add the bit about J.M RETRACTING the license given to AB which cost 24k

But you know.. only add the bits that matter to you...

crockett · 10-13-2003, 11:38 AM

I was looking into starting a deluxe pass site in the future... I noticed they allso offer up movies.. I kind of wondered how they could get a lic to do that... anyone know if DP's content is legit or are they doing the same thing AB is?

Mutt · 10-13-2003, 11:40 AM

Lady Mischief is right, some big shot lawyer who lurks here contacted me about a year ago and explained all this copyright stuff to me regarding movies.

Just the screencaps alone on a typical AB movie archive site are worth hundreds of thousands of dollars in copyright infringement damage awards.

Project-Shadow · 10-13-2003, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by crockett
I was looking into starting a deluxe pass site in the future... I noticed they allso offer up movies.. I kind of wondered how they could get a lic to do that... anyone know if DP's content is legit or are they doing the same thing AB is?

Some of DP's content is legit, but they are under fire from DivX as most of their stuff is encoded in DivX 5.05 which is licensed .. so your choice ^_^

FreeHugeMovies · 10-13-2003, 11:43 AM

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Originally posted by RedBumper

Then what's this all about?

Webmasters are uploading content they find on the web to their archives. The content AB and DP give to webmasters are all legal.

Greg B · 10-13-2003, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LadyMischief
This should be a wakeup call to those who think it won't matter or they'll never be caught. Under US law, prosecuted to the full extent, even copyrighted IMAGES can carry a fine of $100,000 PER INFRINGEMENT (meaning every incidence of the image is a seperate infringement), as well as some heavy jail time. It's a FEDERAL OFFENCE, not just a joke, and although I don't know Adultbouncer, I don't envy their position right now.. Or those of any affiliates who don't take this lawsuit seriously. They are in violation of copyright as well, whether they know it or not, and ignorance is *NOT* an acceptable excuse in court. Period.

Oh, and if anyone wants a good scare, movies can be prosecuted (and have been in the past) as a SERIES of images, not just one entire thing. That brings the costs of infringement into the astronomical range. Definitely don't envy anyone on the recieving end of that one.. Yikes.

Finally, someone who KNOWS what the dilly is. Well said Lady Mischief and YES a motion picture can be considered as a collection of still images since each frame is a marketable property, just go to any movie fan site and see the big dough kicked out for film strips and official screen captures.

I've had more than my share of content theives and I never let em' know when I'm comin'. However SOME webmasters get duped into thinking something is sold to them legit when it ain't that's why I DO NOT use hentai content UNLESS I know the owners personally. It's just a lawsuit waiting to happen and them Japanese attornies bullshit not. Before you know it all your assets including the offshore shit is frozen and you're sitting there with a dumb look on your face. I know because some friends from Japan OWN damn near all that shit as well as many of the banks people dump their loot offshore.

It's a sucker's bet to steal content because the pros know what you're doin' before you start. Overseas they can hire 500 people to surf for stolen shit cause they pay em' $1 a day or some cheap ass shit.

Quotealex · 10-13-2003, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BRISK
What took so long for them to finally take legal action?

I don't about them but Andrew Blake did shut down a sponsor three years ago that was ripping of his videos and claiming they had an exclusive agreement with Andrew Blake...

FreeHugeMovies · 10-13-2003, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Project-Shadow

Some of DP's content is legit, but they are under fire from DivX as most of their stuff is encoded in DivX 5.05 which is licensed .. so your choice ^_^

Come on now bro.

All of DP's content is in xvid now and they removed/converted all the movies from divx to xvid. I personally have all my archives sites with DP and not AB.

Project-Shadow · 10-13-2003, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by FreeHugeMovies

Come on now bro. All of DP's content is in xvid now and they removed/converted all the movies from divx to xvid. I personally have all my archives sites with DP and not AB.

Grrrrr AB Pwnz J00..

mephisto · 10-13-2003, 11:53 AM

With respect to the JM Productions incident, (as far as I know) we were actually told by the person who licenses our content that we were able to use it. When we were contacted by JM Productions, we actually took said content offline and notified the copyright holder that we had done so. All webmasters who were known to be using JM Productions content were notified to remove it from their sites.
In fact if any more JM Productions content is found on any webmasters site, it will be temporarily disabled until the webmaster removes the content so that we may comply with the copyright holder's wishes.
This is as far as I know about this, for further details on this matter the best people to contact would be either the content team at [email protected] or Rob himself directly.
Also please note below thread in our support forums.
http://forums.adultbouncer.com/viewt...49959 5cf8ae6

Mutt · 10-13-2003, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Project-Shadow
Oh yeah.. and umm

You might wanna add the bit about J.M RETRACTING the license given to AB which cost 24k

But you know.. only add the bits that matter to you...

That's fair, if you have more information regarding JM Productions and AdultBouncer share it with us. Are you an owner/employee of AB?

I really doubt JM Productions licensed anything, they are one company that has no interest in licensing their movies.

BUT ya know what, maybe they did license AB - now why would they retract that license? Let's hear about that. Maybe we'll find out why JM Productions is so adamant that they will never make their content available to webmasters.

Every one of these adult movie production companies have been ASS RAPED by adult webmasters, licensed or unlicensed.

Mutt · 10-13-2003, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mephisto
With respect to the JM Productions incident, (as far as I know) we were actually told by the person who licenses our content that we were able to use it. When we were contacted by JM Productions, we actually took said content offline and notified the copyright holder that we had done so. All webmasters who were known to be using JM Productions content were notified to remove it from their sites.
In fact if any more JM Productions content is found on any webmasters site, it will be temporarily disabled until the webmaster removes the content so that we may comply with the copyright holder's wishes.
This is as far as I know about this, for further details on this matter the best people to contact would be either the content team at [email protected] or Rob himself directly.

AHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAH...........this is the fucking nonsense that the owners of thousands of movies have to deal with.

How noble of you fuckface - when you and your thieving webmasters get caught you will take down the content upon request. WHAT ABOUT MAKING RESTITUTION FOR THE DAMAGE YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ?

you know for a fact after all this time running a movies only AVS system of AB's size that 99% of your webmasters uploading their own content havent paid anybody a FUCKING DIME for it.
And no judge anywhere on this planet will believe differently.

You had no license from JM Productions. You've made a convenient story up to cover your asses. JM Productions is located where 90% of the world's porn production houses are - all you had to do was call them to make sure you were licensing legal content bearing their name.

LadyMischief · 10-13-2003, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
Lady Mischief is right, some big shot lawyer who lurks here contacted me about a year ago and explained all this copyright stuff to me regarding movies.

Just the screencaps alone on a typical AB movie archive site are worth hundreds of thousands of dollars in copyright infringement damage awards.

I've made it my business to know copyright law inside and out, and I've studied a lot of precident cases. I was surprised to learn myself that movies can be prosecuted this way.. but to break it down further for those who don't see what I'm getting at..

Movies go frame by frame, and they can technically take each frame and count that as a seperate image... so say a 15 second video clip has 15 frames per second, 225 frames, they could technically prosecute for 225 different images and pursue damages on each. multiply that by the maximum penalty, which is $100,000 US per image, it's not child's play anymore

mephisto · 10-13-2003, 12:05 PM

Mutt, I doubt you have any links to JM Productions, therefore I think you should leave it to JM Productioons and Adultbouncer to sort it out.
Thanks for trolling this topic.
Have a nice day.

AB-Devil · 10-13-2003, 12:07 PM

For those of you who don't know me, let me introduce myself. I'm the webmaster support for Adultbouncer. And I personally know the majority of our webmasters. That said, I would really like to know where you people get your information. Especially those of you who are not AB webmasters.

Mutt for example. You seem to know a great deal about the inner working of Adultbouncer. I believe you said something to the effect about AB staff replying to this. Well here you go. As to JM Productions - I have seen the licensing involved in this. And i know for a fact that what is happenning here is way beyond what is required. This borders on slander. But that is another dog to beat on another day.

For those of you saying that we have illegal content. I will say this. Prove it. Period. You don't know what licensing we have. And you have no idea what other agreements have been made.

The AB clone craze should tell everyone here a bit about how lucative this business can be. And also some of the pitfalls. No business is without faults. The porn industry itself is in this category also. Not only AB. So for those of you who like what you do, and like the money it brings you - keep up the good work. For those of you who just sit in here offering your opinions - keep that up as well. We all can learn from mistakes. This entire thread is based on miscommunication and mistakes so don't take what is said here as gospel. A grain of salt goes a very long way.

LadyMischief · 10-13-2003, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FreeHugeMovies

Webmasters are uploading content they find on the web to their archives. The content AB and DP give to webmasters are all legal.

I don't think so.. Just because webmasters upload content does NOT MAKE IT LEGAL, in fact, that's even WORSE. There is NO SUCH THING AS PUBLIC DOMAIN CONTENT except in VERY SPECIFIC INSTANCES. First instance is if the content is produce by the GOVERNMENT. The second is if the copyright holder abandons all rights to the copyright, which is EXTREMELY RARE. If those two instances are not the case, then a LEGAL LICENSE IS REQUIRED TO USE THE CONTENT, period, or you are in violation of copyright law, and I don't care WHO you are. Ignorance is NOT acceptable in a court of law. You use something that someone doesn't have a license for, and even if they gave it to you, you are still liable on your own two feet. If they don't have a legal license with the producers or holders of the copyright, they are in violation. Period. There are no ifs, ands, or buts.

Project-Shadow · 10-13-2003, 12:08 PM

Mischief : 164268142 Hit me up wanna speak to you ^^

Greg B · 10-13-2003, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mephisto
With respect to the JM Productions incident, (as far as I know) we were actually told by the person who licenses our content that we were able to use it. When we were contacted by JM Productions, we actually took said content offline and notified the copyright holder that we had done so. All webmasters who were known to be using JM Productions content were notified to remove it from their sites.
In fact if any more JM Productions content is found on any webmasters site, it will be temporarily disabled until the webmaster removes the content so that we may comply with the copyright holder's wishes.
This is as far as I know about this, for further details on this matter the best people to contact would be either the content team at [email protected] or Rob himself directly.
Also please note below thread in our support forums.
http://forums.adultbouncer.com/viewt...49959 5cf8ae6

What support team??? I submitted a site that I had submitted earlier that you had approved years ago. I removed it because I wouldn't get an answer from your support team for MONTHS. I waited a YEAR or more and re-submitted the site which was LARGER and still got bs from you guys.

AB used to be cool. I remember when I first submitted a toon site there WERE NONE. Two months later an army of hentai sites sprang up and after that no one from AB support would answer jack squat.

In the old days we could count on the support to be fast, to the point and fucking great. Nowadays it's not worth the time.

LadyMischief · 10-13-2003, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt

That's fair, if you have more information regarding JM Productions and AdultBouncer share it with us. Are you an owner/employee of AB?

I really doubt JM Productions licensed anything, they are one company that has no interest in licensing their movies.

BUT ya know what, maybe they did license AB - now why would they retract that license? Let's hear about that. Maybe we'll find out why JM Productions is so adamant that they will never make their content available to webmasters.

Every one of these adult movie production companies have been ASS RAPED by adult webmasters, licensed or unlicensed.

Yes, most licenses have clauses that allow the licensor to revoke that license if their terms and conditions are not met or are violated. However, this is a further warning to those BUYING content, make sure the people you are buying from are LEGALLY INVESTED WITH THE RIGHTS TO SELL THE CONTENT. If they don't produce it, ask them who does. If they aren't legally entitled to sell the content, that also puts any 2257 information they have regarding said content into question as well. It's an EXTREMELY sticky situation to get yourself into.. Very unfortunate.

Fletch XXX · 10-13-2003, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AB-Devil
I will say this. Prove it. Period.

I will say this.

When Mutt was posting a link to HentaiVids.com awhile back you guys had over 9 DRAGONBALL Z movies in there.

Im sure Dragonball Z gave you a license to their movies.

But yeah the burden of proof is lacking, but we all know ;)

Adultbouncer Rob · 10-13-2003, 12:32 PM

FYI,

This is being sorted out AND our contract strictly states we have licenses for 5 of JM productions titles.

We have taken the liberty to remove the content from our movie system until this is sorted out by our content supplier.

Nothing more i will say.

Ta ta.

AB-Devil · 10-13-2003, 12:33 PM

Update on our licensing with JM Productions - The contract specifically states we have licensing for the 5 movies we put up.

QA-AdultBouncer · 10-13-2003, 12:50 PM

Like normal things are taken out of context. Rob ha stated the facts, but bing the Quality Asurance man at AB I can tell youthat the bad apples are being weeded out. If webbies can't prove 2257 then they need to remove the content.

enough

To know more try being webbie at AB

LadyMischief · 10-13-2003, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AB-Devil
Update on our licensing with JM Productions - The contract specifically states we have licensing for the 5 movies we put up.

Is your license specifically with JM? Or a secondary producer such as a content provider? That can be all the difference in the world

LadyMischief · 10-13-2003, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by QA-AdultBouncer
Like normal things are taken out of context. Rob ha stated the facts, but bing the Quality Asurance man at AB I can tell youthat the bad apples are being weeded out. If webbies can't prove 2257 then they need to remove the content.

enough

To know more try being webbie at AB

What do you mean? Are you saying people ARE uploading stuff for your use? This post is very unclear to me.

10-13-2003, 10:11 AM	#1
tonymalice Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3	J.M. Productions to Pursue Copyright Infringement Action against AdultBouncer.com J.M. Productions to Pursue Copyright Infringement Action against AdultBouncer.com J.M. Productions (?J.M.?) has ascertained that AdultBouncer.com, a popular adult verification system that provides its affiliates with adult content, billing, and hosting services, has been unlawfully distributing unlicensed J.M. content to its affiliates. J.M. has demanded that Adultbouncer.com cease and desist from all further infringement. Adultbouncer.com?s actions are in clear violation of US Copyright law as would be the actions of any individual or entity who distributes any J.M. content without the prior express written consent of J.M. J.M. has not licensed any of its video content for Internet use. J.M. is seeking to contact webmasters and affiliates of AdultBouncer.com who may have acquired J.M. content for use on their websites. By immediately removing any and all J.M content and by contacting J.M. to provide assistance in the ongoing investigation of AdultBouncer.com, webmasters may avoid being named in J.M.?s upcoming lawsuit against AdultBouncer.com and its principals. J.M. is currently aware of the following titles that AdultBouncer.com has made available to its affiliates: Assy 6, Gag Factor 5, The Violation of Aurora Snow, The Violation of Briana Banks, The Violation of Katie Gold, The Violation of Kiki Daire, and Perverted Stories 34-36. J.M. strongly urges webmasters who are using content from these or any other J.M. titles to remove them immediately, and contact J.M. at 818-772-1320 or via e-mail at [email protected]. J.M. Productions notes that these webmasters are also being victimized and exposed to liability by AdultBouncer.com, who has illegally provided them with our content under the guise of a valid licensing agreement. Again, by contacting J.M. Productions and providing them assistance in this matter, webmasters may seek to avoid costly fines, penalties, and reparations associated with copyright infringement. J.M. Productions will pursue this matter to the full extent of the law, and will continue to diligently and aggressive pursue any and all future infringers in order to protect its copyrights.

10-13-2003, 10:14 AM	#2
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	HALLE FUCKIN LUJAH!!!!! and the wagons will continue to circle. Tony hit me up at [email protected] __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

10-13-2003, 10:16 AM	#3
hyatla Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,720	I am adultbouncer's affiliate, will I be in trouble? __________________ <a href="http://click.dtiserv2.com/Click/1125-99-us979" target="_blank">DTI cash: Top Asian Sponsor, $75 to new affiliates</a><br> <br> ICQ: 274731765

10-13-2003, 10:23 AM	#6
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	I told people it was going to happen and slowly but surely the sleeping giants of the Los Angeles XXX movie industry are awakening. And there's a content broker out there that better get its house in order as well. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

10-13-2003, 10:27 AM	#7
BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	What took so long for them to finally take legal action? __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

10-13-2003, 10:17 AM	#4
JSA Matt So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 5,464	AdultBouncer is the largest collection of stolen content anywhere

10-13-2003, 10:22 AM	#5
Suckitbitch Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 278	LONG LIVE GAG FACTOR!!!!!!!!!!!!! Clean those fucking punks out.

10-13-2003, 10:29 AM	#8
cath Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: 117-764-795 Posts: 268	About time __________________ ...

10-13-2003, 10:36 AM	#10
Muff Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,782	I had a feeling Mutt would be first to hit this post.

10-13-2003, 10:45 AM	#11
BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	It's not just adultbouncer using the content illegally, a few months ago someone tried to sell me video content that was obviously ripped from the American Bukkake series. __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

10-13-2003, 10:53 AM	#12
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	AdultBouncer ain't the only one, just the biggest and there are now AB clones popping up all over. Sad thing is that so many webmasters who become affiliates of the big movie AVS systems really believe they have a legal license because that's what they've been told. NO WEB LICENSE ANYWHERE gives a licensee the right to trade the licensed content in return for any financial consideration, traffic or anything. It's standard in all web licenses, you are licensed only to use that content on domains you own and operate. AB can buy their way out of any lawsuit, that's how much money they've made off their thievery. But that's not the case for their affiliates. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

10-13-2003, 10:55 AM	#13
RedBumper Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Icq: 216037845 Posts: 1,137	Let me get this straight...... the content adultbouncer and deluxepass offers his webmasters for free to download (i mean the content from their own content system) is illegal? Really? __________________ Quality hosting at Phatservers Have something to sell? Do it on ADULTNETSALES for free! Want to make an extra us$ 100 a month for free? Click here!

10-13-2003, 11:01 AM	#16
playa Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: atlanta, GA Posts: 6,432	Hmm less free Porn, i like this idea

10-13-2003, 11:05 AM	#17
AdultWebGraphics Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 980	hahahahaha I hope those AB fucks get whats coming to them, Stupid asses owe me a couple thousands dollars for designs.

10-13-2003, 11:18 AM	#20
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	well sure if your specific license covers that kind of usage you're fine. most content providers are happy to negotiate all kinds of uses including print, free content for affiliates, hosted gallery usage - it's the scumbags who decide they will interpret a license any way they see fit whose asses will be in a sling. this shit has been done since the beginning of this business - anybody remember a leased plugin called PersonalPorn? there's a very long thread on GFY i think started by FletchXXX about hosted galleries with licensed content. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

10-13-2003, 11:22 AM	#21
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	This is the toon archive i always post to show what AdultBouncer is, was and has always been about. http://www.hentaivids.com 40 gigs of stolen content that AB knows about, has always known about and its this high quality stolen content multiplied by thousands which built Adult Bouncer into a 60,000 recurring members force. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

10-13-2003, 11:26 AM	#22
LadyMischief Orgasms N Such! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 18,135	This should be a wakeup call to those who think it won't matter or they'll never be caught. Under US law, prosecuted to the full extent, even copyrighted IMAGES can carry a fine of $100,000 PER INFRINGEMENT (meaning every incidence of the image is a seperate infringement), as well as some heavy jail time. It's a FEDERAL OFFENCE, not just a joke, and although I don't know Adultbouncer, I don't envy their position right now.. Or those of any affiliates who don't take this lawsuit seriously. They are in violation of copyright as well, whether they know it or not, and ignorance is NOT an acceptable excuse in court. Period. Oh, and if anyone wants a good scare, movies can be prosecuted (and have been in the past) as a SERIES of images, not just one entire thing. That brings the costs of infringement into the astronomical range. Definitely don't envy anyone on the recieving end of that one.. Yikes. __________________ ICQ 3522039 Content Manager - orgasm.com [email protected]

10-13-2003, 11:35 AM	#24
Greg B So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: EARTH (for the time being) Posts: 7,014	Heavans to murgatroid!!! Say it ain't so!!!

10-13-2003, 11:37 AM	#25
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	what is ABBilling? AdultBouncer with ABBilling is now calling itself an IPSP? Guarantee you that they haven't been designated one by VISA anywhere in the world. They used to process through IBILL - pretty sure IBILL chased them out and they went to their own merchant account overseas. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

10-13-2003, 11:37 AM	#26
Project-Shadow Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 7,340	Oh yeah.. and umm You might wanna add the bit about J.M RETRACTING the license given to AB which cost 24k But you know.. only add the bits that matter to you...

10-13-2003, 11:38 AM	#27
crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 76,806	I was looking into starting a deluxe pass site in the future... I noticed they allso offer up movies.. I kind of wondered how they could get a lic to do that... anyone know if DP's content is legit or are they doing the same thing AB is? __________________ In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

10-13-2003, 11:40 AM	#28
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	Lady Mischief is right, some big shot lawyer who lurks here contacted me about a year ago and explained all this copyright stuff to me regarding movies. Just the screencaps alone on a typical AB movie archive site are worth hundreds of thousands of dollars in copyright infringement damage awards. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

10-13-2003, 11:53 AM	#35
mephisto Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 60	With respect to the JM Productions incident, (as far as I know) we were actually told by the person who licenses our content that we were able to use it. When we were contacted by JM Productions, we actually took said content offline and notified the copyright holder that we had done so. All webmasters who were known to be using JM Productions content were notified to remove it from their sites. In fact if any more JM Productions content is found on any webmasters site, it will be temporarily disabled until the webmaster removes the content so that we may comply with the copyright holder's wishes. This is as far as I know about this, for further details on this matter the best people to contact would be either the content team at [email protected] or Rob himself directly. Also please note below thread in our support forums. http://forums.adultbouncer.com/viewt...49959 5cf8ae6 __________________ Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty. AB-Arun Last edited by mephisto; 10-13-2003 at 11:58 AM..

10-13-2003, 12:05 PM	#39
mephisto Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 60	Mutt, I doubt you have any links to JM Productions, therefore I think you should leave it to JM Productioons and Adultbouncer to sort it out. Thanks for trolling this topic. Have a nice day. __________________ Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty. AB-Arun

10-13-2003, 12:07 PM	#40
AB-Devil Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Arizona Posts: 5	For those of you who don't know me, let me introduce myself. I'm the webmaster support for Adultbouncer. And I personally know the majority of our webmasters. That said, I would really like to know where you people get your information. Especially those of you who are not AB webmasters. Mutt for example. You seem to know a great deal about the inner working of Adultbouncer. I believe you said something to the effect about AB staff replying to this. Well here you go. As to JM Productions - I have seen the licensing involved in this. And i know for a fact that what is happenning here is way beyond what is required. This borders on slander. But that is another dog to beat on another day. For those of you saying that we have illegal content. I will say this. Prove it. Period. You don't know what licensing we have. And you have no idea what other agreements have been made. The AB clone craze should tell everyone here a bit about how lucative this business can be. And also some of the pitfalls. No business is without faults. The porn industry itself is in this category also. Not only AB. So for those of you who like what you do, and like the money it brings you - keep up the good work. For those of you who just sit in here offering your opinions - keep that up as well. We all can learn from mistakes. This entire thread is based on miscommunication and mistakes so don't take what is said here as gospel. A grain of salt goes a very long way.

10-13-2003, 12:08 PM	#42
Project-Shadow Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 7,340	Mischief : 164268142 Hit me up wanna speak to you ^^

10-13-2003, 12:32 PM	#46
Adultbouncer Rob Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: a,a,a Posts: 50	FYI, This is being sorted out AND our contract strictly states we have licenses for 5 of JM productions titles. We have taken the liberty to remove the content from our movie system until this is sorted out by our content supplier. Nothing more i will say. Ta ta. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

10-13-2003, 12:33 PM	#47
AB-Devil Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Arizona Posts: 5	Update on our licensing with JM Productions - The contract specifically states we have licensing for the 5 movies we put up.

10-13-2003, 12:50 PM	#48
QA-AdultBouncer Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 2	Like normal things are taken out of context. Rob ha stated the facts, but bing the Quality Asurance man at AB I can tell youthat the bad apples are being weeded out. If webbies can't prove 2257 then they need to remove the content. enough To know more try being webbie at AB