Is exclusive content worth the high price? - GoFuckYourself.com

Marcus · 10-10-2003, 09:58 PM

I could buy a single hardcore movie from a content provider for $80 or I could pay someone $800 to film a hardcore movie for me exclusively.

Does it really make a difference for your members to have exclusive movies? Did you notice that your sales and retention grew when you started using exclusive?

12clicks · 10-10-2003, 10:05 PM

no.

surfers don't know or care if you spent for exclusive or not.

And they don't care as long as the movie plays.

Marcus · 10-10-2003, 10:10 PM

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Originally posted by 12clicks
no.

surfers don't know or care if you spent for exclusive or not.

And they don't care as long as the movie plays.

thats good news.
thanks 12clicks

angelsofporn · 10-10-2003, 10:17 PM

ask me or quiet and we will tell you opposite

12clicks · 10-10-2003, 10:32 PM

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Originally posted by angelsofporn
ask me or quiet and we will tell you opposite

I'm not trying to sell vids.

Peter Romero · 10-10-2003, 10:44 PM

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Originally posted by angelsofporn
ask me or quiet and we will tell you opposite

Uhhh... DITO!!!

beemk · 10-10-2003, 10:49 PM

depends on your volume. if you can generate 10,000 memberships and lets say it would get you 10% more signups with exclusive content.... thats an extra $10,000+ in profit probably. if your site can only do numbers like a few hundred active members it would cost you too much and the 10% more members wouldnt be worth it. my #s most likely arent correct, but im just trying to get my point across.

BillyHoe · 10-10-2003, 10:50 PM

It's like driving a sports car, you can use regular gas or super.
Both will do the job, but which one makes your car last longer, and perform better.

Paul Markham · 10-10-2003, 10:54 PM

Exclusive works only if it's good exclusive and has something more to offer than the 10,000 other exclusive videos/content out there. But then that is the same for non exclusive content.

But if the shooter can do a reasonable job forget about buying an exclusve boy girl video for $800. It is simple it's worth a lot more on a content site.

Let's say the guy shoots some stills with it as well. So he has a stills at at $45, a video at $45 and the stills & video at $90. These sales are absolute minimum that can be achieved in thwe first three months.

Stills sets x 10 sales = $350
Video only x 5 sales = $175
Video+stills x 10 sales = $900

Totla sales in the first three months $1425, shoot a good looking couple well, double these figures.

So people who shoot exclusive for peanuts are those struggling to make it, newbies or the guy who simply does not have the time to market himself.

Exclusive will sell if you are Private, Wicked or Ed Powers. But if you are buying something that a guy with a camera and a cople can produce it's not exclusive. It's just a different couple shot by a guy with a camera.

However the word exclusive on the front of your site is a good marketing tool so some exclusive could help. But if you go exclusve on the whole site look at having a lower level of quality product and less product to tempt the viewer.

$10,000 will buy you 12 average exclusive videos or 100 good videos that you selected. Now which site will they join offering those two alternatives.

I'm available for exclusive or off the shelf videos. So no axe to grind.

heymatty · 10-10-2003, 11:29 PM

Exclusive sells better and retains better.

Bladewire · 10-10-2003, 11:48 PM

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Originally posted by heymatty
Exclusive sells better and retains better.

My exclusive Gay content charges a $24.95 subscription and retains very well!

I'm putting up a canned content site now jocksoffcampus.com (not up yet) we'll see which one does better

cold_ice · 10-10-2003, 11:51 PM

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Originally posted by charly

$10,000 will buy you 12 average exclusive videos or 100 good videos that you selected. Now which site will they join offering those two alternatives.

I'm available for exclusive or off the shelf videos. So no axe to grind.

HarlotCash Dyker · 10-11-2003, 12:14 AM

Niche sites on using excluse will always do better than those who by content off the shelf -
Surfers join more than one site - He has a choice of unique, or stuff that is free available - Which site is he likey to stay longer at?

Stud Money · 10-11-2003, 12:17 AM

Exclusive content works if you have an exclusive niche to promote such as our own http://www.dilf.com.

One thing to remember though, many paysites have the same overused content on the tours, take a look at any of the main sponsors tours for similar gay sites, especially bear, ebony and, twink sites, guarantee you will see almost all the same models being used over and over again across all the sites within the same niche of the gay market.

Exclusive content on the other hand, if you have, should go on your tour pages and be the first content that your member see's when they hit your paysites members area, will ensure they retain longer and will keep your affiliates (if you have them) happy

Oh and, see sig for a perfect example of the way to use exclusive content on paysite tour pages

Paul Markham · 10-11-2003, 12:28 AM

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Originally posted by HarlotCash Dyker
Niche sites on using excluse will always do better than those who by content off the shelf -
Surfers join more than one site - He has a choice of unique, or stuff that is free available - Which site is he likey to stay longer at?

Rubbish. The surfer signs up and stays signed up on the quality of the content, not on the fact that it's "Exclusive" He does have a choice, a few average movies or a ton of good stuff non exclusive. If you can put up a site that will contain 100 good exclusive movies, then you have a chance. Got that kind of money?

Off the shelf content that is good, $50 to $100, Exclusive that is good $500 to $1500. We sell to many sites "Off the Shelf".

Also if exclusive was so powerful why do you guys want to pay so little for it? And don't tell me becasue some guy in the boonies or third world will shoot it for that price.

Al I'm saying is it has to be GOOD exclusive and you have to have a lot of it to make it work.

heymatty · 10-11-2003, 12:52 AM

Charly, you don't operate any paysites I assume.

Don't assume what you think is correct actually plays out in the numbers.

Less content but all exclusive, matching the style of the site, preferably all shot by the same person retains better than sites containing tons of non exclusive content.

I have numbers telling me this is the case, it is not my opinion.

spooky181 · 10-11-2003, 12:52 AM

Niche exclusive content is a must, but for generic porn it is not too important..

Spooky

quiet · 10-11-2003, 12:53 AM

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Originally posted by heymatty
Charly, you don't operate any paysites I assume.

Don't assume what you think is correct actually plays out in the numbers.

Less content but all exclusive, matching the style of the site, preferably all shot by the same person retains better than sites containing tons of non exclusive content.

I have numbers telling me this is the case, it is not my opinion.

StacyCat · 10-11-2003, 12:55 AM

I agree with a few of the posts above.

Exclusive stuff should be bought for your site, used for your tour and should be the main focus in the site.

single girl amateur sites retain because typically our site is the only place to find us. Niche sites retain because we usually have to resort to shooting our own content to get exactly what we are looking for.

Its a whole other ball game if you are making a mega site with hundreds of thousands of images. These guys are usually looking just to get off as quickly as possible, with whatever is avalible. In my opinion, these mega sites are competing against all of the free porn thats out there. Why pay for something that you can probably see elsewhere?

Niche sites with exclusive content will typically retain better than those with "off the shelf content" because 9 times out of 10, that "off the shelf content" is not going to be what the niche surfers are looking for. There are very few content sites that I have seen with good balloon content, thats why the main ones that I know of shoot their own.

HarlotCash Dyker · 10-11-2003, 01:07 AM

Charly.

Thanks for the rubish comment -
I run a pro photo studio employing an ex magazine photographer (Playboy) and I have run pay sites since 1996 -

What's your experience at running paysites?

harvey · 10-11-2003, 01:20 AM

I think that exclusive is always better, hands down, no discussion, only sometimes is not possible to have all exclusive content, so you can have a mix. But when you see a set in a paysite that you've seen 1000 times for free in every TGP listing, then you realize you can and in fact YOU SHOULD cancel your membership, because there's a chance all content will be available for free. Plus, now exclusive doesn't mean a new mortgage anymore, you can have 4 or 5 exclusive vid sets for 1000, and if you can't cover that (keep in mind you can offer your surfers a new EXCLUSIVE set every week, and if you're smart, you'll know how to "juice" that fact

), then maybe you're not in the right biz.

btw, I was offering this exclusive content deals for a while, but not offering anymore so it's not I'm taking sides for my own reasons, it's simple logic and a quite big knowledge of marketing

Zappu · 10-11-2003, 01:27 AM

The question is wrong, sorry. The content itself is of course worth the price, but do you realy need it exclusively? No, I don't think so.
A productions has a price, because all the models, photographers, location, camera, film, etc. must be paid. If you like to get something exclusivly, of course you have to pay this as well. But, if somebody offers you a full movie (90 Minutes with different scenes) for 800$ - this will never be exclusive nor the seller seems to be honest. This kind of production will cost at least 3000$. But then you have all rights incl. DVD and VHS.

A surfer usually do not recognize if it is exclusive as long as you do not present him the leased stuff which is all over the net like hustler etc.
A good solution will be always to look for content which is not exclusive but a little bit limited. Most of the content providers (like we) limit the sales of the content to a special figure (our sales are limited to about 20), that will make sure that the content will never be overused.

Bladewire · 10-11-2003, 01:34 AM

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Originally posted by HarlotCash Dyker
Charly.

Thanks for the rubish comment -
I run a pro photo studio employing an ex magazine photographer (Playboy) and I have run pay sites since 1996 -

What's your experience at running paysites?

Kassidy · 10-11-2003, 04:57 AM

Especially in a niche market, offering something that no one else can offer gives you an advantage. Guys in the smaller niche markets are very aware of what is out there for them and they compare. Exclusivity is important, but not the only factor either.

Paul Markham · 10-11-2003, 05:11 AM

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Originally posted by heymatty
Charly, you don't operate any paysites I assume.

Don't assume what you think is correct actually plays out in the numbers.

Less content but all exclusive, matching the style of the site, preferably all shot by the same person retains better than sites containing tons of non exclusive content.

I have numbers telling me this is the case, it is not my opinion.

Quote:

Originally posted by HarlotCash Dyker
Charly.

Thanks for the rubish comment -
I run a pro photo studio employing an ex magazine photographer (Playboy) and I have run pay sites since 1996 -

What's your experience at running paysites?

Both of you are ignoring the point of my post. I'm saying the fact it's exclusive is not enough, it has to be good exclusive. And how do I know? Because I have picked up the business from people shooting exclusive crap.

Exclusive is not enough, it has to be GOOD exclusive.

There are lots of newbies out there reading these threads and go away thinking "All I need is to pick up a camera shoot the local crack whore and it's sorted" Wel is ain't and you guys know that, so when you say "Exclusive" add the word GOOD.

HD
You employ an ex Playboy photographer? Well your stuff is good and he may have shot for Playboy. If the exclusive is of your standard it will sell. Unfortunately few people in the world can shoot that level. So again "Good Exclusive" sells, bad doesn't.

HarlotCash Dyker · 10-11-2003, 05:30 AM

Charly, the guy shot for all of the major magazines here in Poland - What I pay him and what we make from photography outside the internet and within, is between us.

Exclusive photography in niche markets of course, has to be good quality etc - But it means nothing if you don't know the niche -
Balloon fetish was mentioned earlier in this thread - I had the first balloon fetish pay site on the net and like all fetishes I deal with, had to learn about the fetishist before going headlong into photo sessions -
Bought content for minor niche such as this, would lose you money - As simple as that -
Fantastic images shot with no understanding of the fetish, again, would cost you money -
Amateur, badly lit, badly focused images which capture the fetish correctly, will make you cash -

S0 - Much depends on the fetish to start with - This thread is far too general to make serious sense, even to say "Rubbish" to any comment within.

Of course, you can make cash with bought content - But if you are running a niche site, offering several gigs of quality original content along side some bought is fine -
But I am certain, those trying to make a living in niche sites relying totally on bought content are not going to go far.

My thoughts, anyway

Paul Markham · 10-11-2003, 05:35 AM

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Originally posted by harvey
I think that exclusive is always better, hands down, no discussion, only sometimes is not possible to have all exclusive content, so you can have a mix. But when you see a set in a paysite that you've seen 1000 times for free in every TGP listing, then you realize you can and in fact YOU SHOULD cancel your membership, because there's a chance all content will be available for free. Plus, now exclusive doesn't mean a new mortgage anymore, you can have 4 or 5 exclusive vid sets for 1000, and if you can't cover that (keep in mind you can offer your surfers a new EXCLUSIVE set every week, and if you're smart, you'll know how to "juice" that fact ), then maybe you're not in the right biz.

btw, I was offering this exclusive content deals for a while, but not offering anymore so it's not I'm taking sides for my own reasons, it's simple logic and a quite big knowledge of marketing

Good exclusive is better, but few can shoot it or afford it. So as you say it's best to get a mix.

But help me out, if you know anyone selling good vids for $200 pass them onto me, because at that price I can buy them and resell them for a lot more.

But you are right an Exclusive a week, so long as it's barely acceptable along with a lot of good non exclusive and the right marketing wil make it pay.

As for the "you've seen 1000 times for free" try telling that to all the people buying or selling content in Blow Out Sales.

The problem with sales/price/exposure is simple, we want to earn on average $1,000 from a set. Thats 30 sales with licenses for 10 URLs. But would ten paysite owners pay $100 a set to have it on a semi exclusive, or five $200. Or are we better putting it in www.bargainbasementcontent.com for $5 and selling it 200 times.

The problem we have found is, yes people want exclusive and yes if it's fair to good it makes a difference. But getting a paysite owner to pay what it's worth being sold on a content site is like getting blood from a stone. Which is where I started, it simply ain't worth it to shoot for other exclusive, if you can shoot and sell for yourself.

Paul Markham · 10-11-2003, 06:00 AM

HarlotCash Dyker
You have a good shooter there who understands, leg/foot/panty fetishes. These guys do not grow on trees. This is what surfers see when they log on, not the fact that it's exclusive.

They see it's good, the shooter understands the niche, who's putting it together is not just throwing up another site in a niche he has no empathy for. Exclusive come behind all those things.

The problem for anyone putting a site like that together is simple, they have to find one of the few shooters who can shoot at that level. If everyone could do it your earnings would be less.

So the answer is. If you can shoot to the level of HDs guy and do it exclusive you are going to make money.

I will be putting up sites by the end of the year and yes a lot of it will be exclusive or semi-exclusive, but when it comes to "Teen girl next door" I do a pretty good job.

solonline · 10-11-2003, 06:04 AM

Exclusive works best hands down for long term retention
great way to push sites as well.

Matt_WildCash · 10-11-2003, 06:05 AM

Exclusive stuff is great for your own reality site and can often only be done exclusively. But to say that exclusive stuff is worth doing just for normal paysites I'd highly doubt paying 10-15 times the normal price of a movie is going to pay you 10-15 more money at the end of the day with a few extra rebills. Most surfers either like your site or not, weather you have a few exclusive vids or not isn't going to change things that much, most of the surfers haven't seen that stuff around anyway.

Amateur girl sites are different of course i'm talking just general hardcore girl /boygirl stuff.

PhotoGreggXXX · 10-11-2003, 06:40 AM

Exclusive must work well for some folks.

We've shot over 90 reality episodes for TopBucks, 30+ for SilverCash, 75 for EscortBiz with his Tushy Sites, and 150 more episodes for various other customers.

Loch · 10-11-2003, 06:50 AM

If you dont have a good plan for the exclusives it wont matter.
There is tons of reasons to get exclusive content and tons of reasons why NOT to.

Would i go into the TGP market? HELL NO, why? i dont know i thing about it.......
Just because you can run a paysite with store content does not mean you can run one with exclusive content!

I know ppl that make 5k+ pr exclusive video on their pay site and update weekly.

VideoJ · 10-11-2003, 06:57 AM

Go look at Topbucks top converting sites inside their webmaster area, The top of the list is usually owned by exclusive content sites. That tells me you get better conversions with exclusive over non-exclusive as well as better recurring. If you're only a small traffic player, the increase in proftis may not cover the cost of exclusive, but if you can drive lot's of traffic to your site, the increase in your bottom line will more then cover the cost.

HarlotCash Dyker · 10-11-2003, 07:55 AM

It's all about getting the balance V cost V profit V member satisfaction at the end of the day -

Our glamour and foot photographer, I am certain, will equal the best there is - He doesn't work out of our studios, always at different locations - But, once again, it is all down to knowledge of certain fetishes and the ability to handle a camera -

Working out of Poland has several advantages - The main one being I can employ a model on a low monthly retainer - Which means I get loads more content at a fraction of the costs most webmasters pay for off the shelf content -
As Charly quite rightly says - A set of images has to fetch X in income, otherwise the job becomes unprofitable.
In my case - I am exteremly lucky to be able to give my members 300 - 500 images a day -

Last week, this message was posted on my members message board:

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Man....It's hard to keep up with all the daily updates on this site. Man I'm clickin here...I'm clickin there...my mouse is worn out!!!! All I have to say is keep it coming...Also Pav what kind of camera do you use on your photo shoots????

Yes - it is a genuine message - Not made up by me.

sweetcuties · 10-11-2003, 07:57 AM

I'd say yes it does matter... then again my sites are unique. If you think outside the box, you can sell dvd's and other shit that you can't do with non exclusive.

Ross · 10-11-2003, 07:58 AM

I'd say yeah it is worth while. If people see your site or your gallery with movies they have seen they probaby aint gonna sign up. If you can offer them something they have never seen before and are never likely to see before then they will be more persuaded to sign up!

brand0n · 10-11-2003, 08:03 AM

exclusive content retains members.. thats a simple fact

prostock · 10-11-2003, 08:25 AM

for the most i only shoot exclusive and charly you can say what you like but we do very well with it , and i have buyers that have a monthly with me ,
and they do not want the pro look the want the amuter look .
I have one buyer that all his sites are EXCLUISVE and he just has some non for filler . I know that i have another buyer that has a ton of exclusive and he has a comment area on the site and people post there what they like to see more of or a model more of or the kind of set they like to see of that model and i make it for him , and his surfers are even more happy .
So for me i have to disagree on the non or the exclusive .

Charly you just stated a few times not to be a facter then you said you are making sites late this year with both exclusive and semi
well ge why do it as you said not make a facter , again i dont belive .
I find it funny that you still think you are the best in the world , i want take it that you are not good , but i feel many as good if not better , but again all in the eyes of that person ! Like your other post what girls you thought was HOT I THOUGHT LOOK LIKE SHIT !
It has been provin that amuter content style and sites work well

harvey · 10-11-2003, 09:34 PM

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Originally posted by Zappu
The question is wrong, sorry. The content itself is of course worth the price, but do you realy need it exclusively? No, I don't think so.
A productions has a price, because all the models, photographers, location, camera, film, etc. must be paid. If you like to get something exclusivly, of course you have to pay this as well. But, if somebody offers you a full movie (90 Minutes with different scenes) for 800$ - this will never be exclusive nor the seller seems to be honest. This kind of production will cost at least 3000$. But then you have all rights incl. DVD and VHS.

A surfer usually do not recognize if it is exclusive as long as you do not present him the leased stuff which is all over the net like hustler etc.
A good solution will be always to look for content which is not exclusive but a little bit limited. Most of the content providers (like we) limit the sales of the content to a special figure (our sales are limited to about 20), that will make sure that the content will never be overused.

well, I sold much lower than 800, and I dare you to find one, not 2, not 5, not 100, just 1 person telling I'm no honest or I didn't deliver what I promised. Not only regarding to content, but also to design or anything else. And as you are at it, find not 10, but 1 that found that my exclusive content is not exclusive. I understand that you'll promote your stuff, and therefore what you offer is better than anything else, but it doesn't gives you the right to lie or libel. Right now I'm not shooting content for other people (Charly, you know I can shoot for those prices

), but if I decide to do it again (and it could happen eventually) I'd put some of the non exclusive content providers to sell only 5 bucks blowouts, so better take care of your biz instead of incur into difamation of other people's business (or ethics), because you don't know shit about me, my costs, my ethics, my knowledge of the biz or my projects. Nothing, zero, zilch, nada.

And sorry if I burst your bubble, but the day people in the same situation than me realizes some facts and get their shit straight, there will be very little non-exclusive content providers, prolly Charly, Matrix, Focus and a couple more. The rest has nothing to compete with

ah, for your info: amount of exclusive sets done this week: 24 Scheduled for next week: 18

Maybe my clients didn't see your post

harvey · 10-11-2003, 09:40 PM

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Originally posted by prostock
for the most i only shoot exclusive and charly you can say what you like but we do very well with it , and i have buyers that have a monthly with me ,
and they do not want the pro look the want the amuter look .
I have one buyer that all his sites are EXCLUISVE and he just has some non for filler . I know that i have another buyer that has a ton of exclusive and he has a comment area on the site and people post there what they like to see more of or a model more of or the kind of set they like to see of that model and i make it for him , and his surfers are even more happy .
So for me i have to disagree on the non or the exclusive .

Charly you just stated a few times not to be a facter then you said you are making sites late this year with both exclusive and semi
well ge why do it as you said not make a facter , again i dont belive .
I find it funny that you still think you are the best in the world , i want take it that you are not good , but i feel many as good if not better , but again all in the eyes of that person ! Like your other post what girls you thought was HOT I THOUGHT LOOK LIKE SHIT !
It has been provin that amuter content style and sites work well

man, Charly/Paul can be a pain in the ass if you like, but he's a a very talented photographer, and start discussing his skills is ridiculous, most content providers don't get even to his knees, you may like high quality or not (I will never understand this), but discussing obvious talent is a very different thing

prostock · 10-12-2003, 01:21 AM

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Originally posted by harvey

man, Charly/Paul can be a pain in the ass if you like, but he's a a very talented photographer, and start discussing his skills is ridiculous, most content providers don't get even to his knees, you may like high quality or not (I will never understand this), but discussing obvious talent is a very different thing

not to sure what you mean harvery , and to me this is to me , i feel most if not 95% of the chicks you shoot are better lookng then he shoots and i feel your work is just as good ,
and again all this is the eye of the beholder , i feel the same on greg , and even my expartner in russia , charly does good work i not take that from him , but he isnt god and the only one that can make that goood , and back to the exclusive gig , well i will hold to it that it does better and damn sure if you are playing in the niche area . we have diaper sites and i damn sure know i dont want what is all over the place , that is the prob now 60 % of the diapre sites have the same shit . maybe this is why our sites are kicking ass and holding the members

prostock · 10-12-2003, 01:29 AM

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Originally posted by harvey

man, Charly/Paul can be a pain in the ass if you like, but he's a a very talented photographer, and start discussing his skills is ridiculous, most content providers don't get even to his knees, you may like high quality or not (I will never understand this), but discussing obvious talent is a very different thing

not to sure what you mean harvery , and to me this is to me , i feel most if not 95% of the chicks you shoot are better lookng then he shoots and i feel your work is just as good ,
and again all this is the eye of the beholder , i feel the same on greg , and even my expartner in russia , charly does good work i not take that from him , but he isnt god and the only one that can make that goood , and back to the exclusive gig , well i will hold to it that it does better and damn sure if you are playing in the niche area . we have diaper sites and i damn sure know i dont want what is all over the place , that is the prob now 60 % of the diapre sites have the same shit . maybe this is why our sites are kicking ass and holding the members

Nydahl · 10-12-2003, 01:37 AM

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Originally posted by Marcus
I could buy a single hardcore movie from a content provider for $80 or I could pay someone $800 to film a hardcore movie for me exclusively.

Does it really make a difference for your members to have exclusive movies? Did you notice that your sales and retention grew when you started using exclusive?

Don't want to spam this board too much but using us - its about 30 USD for HC non excl. and about 450 for exclusive HC
I had a customer who bought all we have and started to order 20 exclusive videos each month.He called me few days ago and informed me that this is the best decision he made.I am not to running a paysites but now I understand that exclusive content keeps your members rebilling because your paysite is the only place thay can see something like this.
So hard to say - maybe you should try to know.
Also we bought highend pro lighting sytem + pro camera and the picture results are in top quality.That customer is starting dealing with some US DVD distribution about our videos.So this could also make you some profit

SGS · 10-12-2003, 01:55 AM

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Originally posted by Marcus
Does it really make a difference for your members to have exclusive movies?

Only if you want to make money.

Paul Markham · 10-12-2003, 02:03 AM

I never said EXCLUSIVE was wrong. Or if I did I put it wrongly.

I said if you can shoot good content, be it Amateur or Penthouse you can make twice the money selling it non exclusive, usually in the first 3-4 months. If you cannot sell it on a content site, then go ahead and shoot it exclusive.

And I also said NO SURFER JERKS OFF TO THE FACT THAT IT'S EXCLUSIVE, HE JERKS OFF TO IT'S PORNO APPEAL. Bad exclusive is not going to convert or is it going to retain. And there are some very good sites out there with good Exclusive, Lightspeed for one and as for Alsscan well there is the proof good exclusive works.

As for it being "All over the net" BULLSHIT. Go to google and type in "nude girls" and see how many sites come up. A set would have to sell thousands of times to be "All over the net" and if content sold that many times no one would shoot exclusive for $150 a set.

And this is my point, you are either bad businessmen, charity or you sell for the maximum money you can get. If $150 is the max you can get, change what you are doing because you could be earning a lot more.

A don't worry about my pride and people trying to knock me or my work, I'm not known for being arrogant without good reason. But thanks anyway.

So to sum up.

GOOD EXCLUSIVE WORKS BAD DOES NOT. "EXCLUSIVE" ALONE IS NOT THE KEY.
IF YOU SHOOT GOOD EXCLUSIVE SOLO GIRL FOR LESS THAN $150 A SET $200 SET/VIDEO SPEAK TO ME YOU COULD HAVE ANOTHER CLIENT. ;)

Abyss_Vee · 10-12-2003, 02:05 AM

depends.. do you already have members,,,? what kinda traffic do you get,?

Keev · 10-12-2003, 02:14 AM

Exclusive

quiet · 10-12-2003, 02:37 AM

for fuck sakes. exclusive has huge advantages - depending on your business model of course.

fuckloads of members, pushing content on tgps - exclusive is fucking key. and cheap as hell when you have enough members. 1 member or 15000 members, shooting the video is going to cost the same amount.

having the girls mention your site, every time they fuck, suck, maturbate, or eat out.

ah, never mind.

lol

prostock · 10-12-2003, 02:54 AM

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Originally posted by quiet
for fuck sakes. exclusive has huge advantages - depending on your business model of course.

fuckloads of members, pushing content on tgps - exclusive is fucking key. and cheap as hell when you have enough members. 1 member or 15000 members, shooting the video is going to cost the same amount.

having the girls mention your site, every time they fuck, suck, maturbate, or eat out.

ah, never mind.

lol

AMEN QUIET !!!!

another thing i have probs with and to me would help people to me again this is my out look but in this area of when i am looking to buy content for my other sites .
I sell people that want to charge by the pic well to me that is kind of crazzy ! jsut tell the buy the price is this for 100 to 125 ,. and this if you want 200 to 300 .
we are talking about a few more minutes really guys , not that much more time

and charly , i have not a problem at all selling a set at 150.00 for the fact the cost the girls or boys cost me ! I am not here to fuck over people or rap people and trust me i live very well and do for the most what i want . We not have www.outsroucing.com
that is another side of our company and a many sites out and up and coming as well . so I guess we are and have been doing somthing right !
Why do you think alot of people do not want to buy or deal with the russian makers , people know how cheap it is there to shoot and the makers want to get rich off one sale , fuck that .

But one thing i learn in life long ago , we all have differnt out looks on life and the way we should do and would do things from life to business , what one thinks looks good to anotehr looks like shit .
So with this being said , yes Charly for you the way you do it may work and work well and be happy with it , for me my ways make me happy and a good living !
this is again just all my

maxjohan · 10-12-2003, 02:57 AM

I don't say shit before I got

A: a life

B: A truck full of cash.

So for now shot me our something.

I really is a nobody

10-10-2003, 09:58 PM	#1
Marcus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,472	Is exclusive content worth the higher price? I could buy a single hardcore movie from a content provider for $80 or I could pay someone $800 to film a hardcore movie for me exclusively. Does it really make a difference for your members to have exclusive movies? Did you notice that your sales and retention grew when you started using exclusive?

10-10-2003, 10:05 PM	#2
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,789	no. surfers don't know or care if you spent for exclusive or not. And they don't care as long as the movie plays. __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

10-10-2003, 10:49 PM	#7
beemk CLICK HERE Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 20,829	depends on your volume. if you can generate 10,000 memberships and lets say it would get you 10% more signups with exclusive content.... thats an extra $10,000+ in profit probably. if your site can only do numbers like a few hundred active members it would cost you too much and the 10% more members wouldnt be worth it. my #s most likely arent correct, but im just trying to get my point across. __________________ I host with Vacares

10-10-2003, 10:50 PM	#8
BillyHoe Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Vaudreuil/Montreal Posts: 2,214	It's like driving a sports car, you can use regular gas or super. Both will do the job, but which one makes your car last longer, and perform better. __________________ True Amateur Sites!! ICQ:124399549

10-10-2003, 10:54 PM	#9
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Exclusive works only if it's good exclusive and has something more to offer than the 10,000 other exclusive videos/content out there. But then that is the same for non exclusive content. But if the shooter can do a reasonable job forget about buying an exclusve boy girl video for $800. It is simple it's worth a lot more on a content site. Let's say the guy shoots some stills with it as well. So he has a stills at at $45, a video at $45 and the stills & video at $90. These sales are absolute minimum that can be achieved in thwe first three months. Stills sets x 10 sales = $350 Video only x 5 sales = $175 Video+stills x 10 sales = $900 Totla sales in the first three months $1425, shoot a good looking couple well, double these figures. So people who shoot exclusive for peanuts are those struggling to make it, newbies or the guy who simply does not have the time to market himself. Exclusive will sell if you are Private, Wicked or Ed Powers. But if you are buying something that a guy with a camera and a cople can produce it's not exclusive. It's just a different couple shot by a guy with a camera. However the word exclusive on the front of your site is a good marketing tool so some exclusive could help. But if you go exclusve on the whole site look at having a lower level of quality product and less product to tempt the viewer. $10,000 will buy you 12 average exclusive videos or 100 good videos that you selected. Now which site will they join offering those two alternatives. I'm available for exclusive or off the shelf videos. So no axe to grind. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

10-10-2003, 10:17 PM	#4
angelsofporn Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 3,218	ask me or quiet and we will tell you opposite

10-10-2003, 11:29 PM	#10
heymatty Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Scottsdale :) Posts: 2,188	Exclusive sells better and retains better. __________________ Cashlantis ~ Black Book Cash

10-11-2003, 12:14 AM	#13
HarlotCash Dyker Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: At a whorehouse near you Posts: 1,828	Niche sites on using excluse will always do better than those who by content off the shelf - Surfers join more than one site - He has a choice of unique, or stuff that is free available - Which site is he likey to stay longer at? __________________ !!!Harlot Cash<<>>Harlot Cash<<>>Harlot Cash<<>>Harlot Cash!!!

10-11-2003, 12:17 AM	#14
Stud Money So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Somewhere between my monitor and my chair Posts: 3,214	Exclusive content works if you have an exclusive niche to promote such as our own http://www.dilf.com. One thing to remember though, many paysites have the same overused content on the tours, take a look at any of the main sponsors tours for similar gay sites, especially bear, ebony and, twink sites, guarantee you will see almost all the same models being used over and over again across all the sites within the same niche of the gay market. Exclusive content on the other hand, if you have, should go on your tour pages and be the first content that your member see's when they hit your paysites members area, will ensure they retain longer and will keep your affiliates (if you have them) happy Oh and, see sig for a perfect example of the way to use exclusive content on paysite tour pages

10-11-2003, 12:52 AM	#16
heymatty Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Scottsdale :) Posts: 2,188	Charly, you don't operate any paysites I assume. Don't assume what you think is correct actually plays out in the numbers. Less content but all exclusive, matching the style of the site, preferably all shot by the same person retains better than sites containing tons of non exclusive content. I have numbers telling me this is the case, it is not my opinion. __________________ Cashlantis ~ Black Book Cash

10-11-2003, 12:52 AM	#17
spooky181 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: back of beyond Posts: 2,951	Niche exclusive content is a must, but for generic porn it is not too important.. Spooky

10-11-2003, 12:55 AM	#19
StacyCat Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,167	I agree with a few of the posts above. Exclusive stuff should be bought for your site, used for your tour and should be the main focus in the site. single girl amateur sites retain because typically our site is the only place to find us. Niche sites retain because we usually have to resort to shooting our own content to get exactly what we are looking for. Its a whole other ball game if you are making a mega site with hundreds of thousands of images. These guys are usually looking just to get off as quickly as possible, with whatever is avalible. In my opinion, these mega sites are competing against all of the free porn thats out there. Why pay for something that you can probably see elsewhere? Niche sites with exclusive content will typically retain better than those with "off the shelf content" because 9 times out of 10, that "off the shelf content" is not going to be what the niche surfers are looking for. There are very few content sites that I have seen with good balloon content, thats why the main ones that I know of shoot their own.

10-11-2003, 01:07 AM	#20
HarlotCash Dyker Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: At a whorehouse near you Posts: 1,828	Charly. Thanks for the rubish comment - I run a pro photo studio employing an ex magazine photographer (Playboy) and I have run pay sites since 1996 - What's your experience at running paysites? __________________ !!!Harlot Cash<<>>Harlot Cash<<>>Harlot Cash<<>>Harlot Cash!!!

10-11-2003, 01:20 AM	#21
harvey Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: 127.0.0.1 Posts: 9,266	I think that exclusive is always better, hands down, no discussion, only sometimes is not possible to have all exclusive content, so you can have a mix. But when you see a set in a paysite that you've seen 1000 times for free in every TGP listing, then you realize you can and in fact YOU SHOULD cancel your membership, because there's a chance all content will be available for free. Plus, now exclusive doesn't mean a new mortgage anymore, you can have 4 or 5 exclusive vid sets for 1000, and if you can't cover that (keep in mind you can offer your surfers a new EXCLUSIVE set every week, and if you're smart, you'll know how to "juice" that fact ), then maybe you're not in the right biz. btw, I was offering this exclusive content deals for a while, but not offering anymore so it's not I'm taking sides for my own reasons, it's simple logic and a quite big knowledge of marketing __________________ This post is endorsed by CIA, KGB, MI6, the Mafia, Illuminati, Kim Jong Il, Worldwide Ninjas Association, Klingon Empire and lolcats. Don't mess around with it, just accept it and embrace the truth

10-11-2003, 01:27 AM	#22
Zappu Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,556	The question is wrong, sorry. The content itself is of course worth the price, but do you realy need it exclusively? No, I don't think so. A productions has a price, because all the models, photographers, location, camera, film, etc. must be paid. If you like to get something exclusivly, of course you have to pay this as well. But, if somebody offers you a full movie (90 Minutes with different scenes) for 800$ - this will never be exclusive nor the seller seems to be honest. This kind of production will cost at least 3000$. But then you have all rights incl. DVD and VHS. A surfer usually do not recognize if it is exclusive as long as you do not present him the leased stuff which is all over the net like hustler etc. A good solution will be always to look for content which is not exclusive but a little bit limited. Most of the content providers (like we) limit the sales of the content to a special figure (our sales are limited to about 20), that will make sure that the content will never be overused. __________________ Zappu (ICQ: 23141467) European Erotik Content Archive CONTENT4FREE = CONTENT4CLICKS X JOIN NOW!

10-11-2003, 04:57 AM	#24
Kassidy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Vancouverish... ICQ# 111432084 Posts: 1,219	Especially in a niche market, offering something that no one else can offer gives you an advantage. Guys in the smaller niche markets are very aware of what is out there for them and they compare. Exclusivity is important, but not the only factor either. __________________ The ORIGINAL micro niche program- All Original and exclusive content. Paying 60% recurring through CCBill, FHG, free content & gallery templates Well researched niches with on-target content. SUBSTANCE SELLS!

10-11-2003, 05:30 AM	#26
HarlotCash Dyker Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: At a whorehouse near you Posts: 1,828	Charly, the guy shot for all of the major magazines here in Poland - What I pay him and what we make from photography outside the internet and within, is between us. Exclusive photography in niche markets of course, has to be good quality etc - But it means nothing if you don't know the niche - Balloon fetish was mentioned earlier in this thread - I had the first balloon fetish pay site on the net and like all fetishes I deal with, had to learn about the fetishist before going headlong into photo sessions - Bought content for minor niche such as this, would lose you money - As simple as that - Fantastic images shot with no understanding of the fetish, again, would cost you money - Amateur, badly lit, badly focused images which capture the fetish correctly, will make you cash - S0 - Much depends on the fetish to start with - This thread is far too general to make serious sense, even to say "Rubbish" to any comment within. Of course, you can make cash with bought content - But if you are running a niche site, offering several gigs of quality original content along side some bought is fine - But I am certain, those trying to make a living in niche sites relying totally on bought content are not going to go far. My thoughts, anyway __________________ !!!Harlot Cash<<>>Harlot Cash<<>>Harlot Cash<<>>Harlot Cash!!!

10-11-2003, 06:00 AM	#28
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	HarlotCash Dyker You have a good shooter there who understands, leg/foot/panty fetishes. These guys do not grow on trees. This is what surfers see when they log on, not the fact that it's exclusive. They see it's good, the shooter understands the niche, who's putting it together is not just throwing up another site in a niche he has no empathy for. Exclusive come behind all those things. The problem for anyone putting a site like that together is simple, they have to find one of the few shooters who can shoot at that level. If everyone could do it your earnings would be less. So the answer is. If you can shoot to the level of HDs guy and do it exclusive you are going to make money. I will be putting up sites by the end of the year and yes a lot of it will be exclusive or semi-exclusive, but when it comes to "Teen girl next door" I do a pretty good job. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

10-11-2003, 06:04 AM	#29
solonline Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: EU- Posts: 718	Exclusive works best hands down for long term retention great way to push sites as well.

10-11-2003, 06:05 AM	#30
Matt_WildCash Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,699	Exclusive stuff is great for your own reality site and can often only be done exclusively. But to say that exclusive stuff is worth doing just for normal paysites I'd highly doubt paying 10-15 times the normal price of a movie is going to pay you 10-15 more money at the end of the day with a few extra rebills. Most surfers either like your site or not, weather you have a few exclusive vids or not isn't going to change things that much, most of the surfers haven't seen that stuff around anyway. Amateur girl sites are different of course i'm talking just general hardcore girl /boygirl stuff.

10-11-2003, 06:40 AM	#31
PhotoGreggXXX Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,616	Exclusive must work well for some folks. We've shot over 90 reality episodes for TopBucks, 30+ for SilverCash, 75 for EscortBiz with his Tushy Sites, and 150 more episodes for various other customers. __________________ PornPayouts! Tons of Exclusive new HI Dev Videos... Home of the WeDo Girls! e-mail: [email protected] ICQ - 138-053-157

10-11-2003, 06:50 AM	#32
Loch Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 7,674	If you dont have a good plan for the exclusives it wont matter. There is tons of reasons to get exclusive content and tons of reasons why NOT to. Would i go into the TGP market? HELL NO, why? i dont know i thing about it....... Just because you can run a paysite with store content does not mean you can run one with exclusive content! I know ppl that make 5k+ pr exclusive video on their pay site and update weekly. __________________ Contact us for Beta store access (4000 HD/SD productions) - Editing - Encoding/Post production ICQ - 277 862 930 E-mail casper /@/ cool-content.com

10-11-2003, 06:57 AM	#33
VideoJ Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: S. Florida Posts: 750	Go look at Topbucks top converting sites inside their webmaster area, The top of the list is usually owned by exclusive content sites. That tells me you get better conversions with exclusive over non-exclusive as well as better recurring. If you're only a small traffic player, the increase in proftis may not cover the cost of exclusive, but if you can drive lot's of traffic to your site, the increase in your bottom line will more then cover the cost. __________________ Somebody stole my damn signture...

10-11-2003, 07:57 AM	#35
sweetcuties Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Somewhere Posts: 5,859	I'd say yes it does matter... then again my sites are unique. If you think outside the box, you can sell dvd's and other shit that you can't do with non exclusive. __________________

10-11-2003, 07:58 AM	#36
Ross Ik ben een aap Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Traffic Force Towers, Canada! Posts: 18,874	I'd say yeah it is worth while. If people see your site or your gallery with movies they have seen they probaby aint gonna sign up. If you can offer them something they have never seen before and are never likely to see before then they will be more persuaded to sign up!

10-11-2003, 08:03 AM	#37
brand0n been very busy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: the queen city Posts: 26,983	exclusive content retains members.. thats a simple fact __________________ want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

10-11-2003, 08:25 AM	#38
prostock On probation Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: not telling you , the exwife might find me Posts: 4,160	for the most i only shoot exclusive and charly you can say what you like but we do very well with it , and i have buyers that have a monthly with me , and they do not want the pro look the want the amuter look . I have one buyer that all his sites are EXCLUISVE and he just has some non for filler . I know that i have another buyer that has a ton of exclusive and he has a comment area on the site and people post there what they like to see more of or a model more of or the kind of set they like to see of that model and i make it for him , and his surfers are even more happy . So for me i have to disagree on the non or the exclusive . Charly you just stated a few times not to be a facter then you said you are making sites late this year with both exclusive and semi well ge why do it as you said not make a facter , again i dont belive . I find it funny that you still think you are the best in the world , i want take it that you are not good , but i feel many as good if not better , but again all in the eyes of that person ! Like your other post what girls you thought was HOT I THOUGHT LOOK LIKE SHIT ! It has been provin that amuter content style and sites work well __________________ ICQ # :158519717 Last edited by prostock; 10-11-2003 at 08:27 AM..

10-12-2003, 02:03 AM	#45
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	I never said EXCLUSIVE was wrong. Or if I did I put it wrongly. I said if you can shoot good content, be it Amateur or Penthouse you can make twice the money selling it non exclusive, usually in the first 3-4 months. If you cannot sell it on a content site, then go ahead and shoot it exclusive. And I also said NO SURFER JERKS OFF TO THE FACT THAT IT'S EXCLUSIVE, HE JERKS OFF TO IT'S PORNO APPEAL. Bad exclusive is not going to convert or is it going to retain. And there are some very good sites out there with good Exclusive, Lightspeed for one and as for Alsscan well there is the proof good exclusive works. As for it being "All over the net" BULLSHIT. Go to google and type in "nude girls" and see how many sites come up. A set would have to sell thousands of times to be "All over the net" and if content sold that many times no one would shoot exclusive for $150 a set. And this is my point, you are either bad businessmen, charity or you sell for the maximum money you can get. If $150 is the max you can get, change what you are doing because you could be earning a lot more. A don't worry about my pride and people trying to knock me or my work, I'm not known for being arrogant without good reason. But thanks anyway. So to sum up. GOOD EXCLUSIVE WORKS BAD DOES NOT. "EXCLUSIVE" ALONE IS NOT THE KEY. IF YOU SHOOT GOOD EXCLUSIVE SOLO GIRL FOR LESS THAN $150 A SET $200 SET/VIDEO SPEAK TO ME YOU COULD HAVE ANOTHER CLIENT. ;) __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

10-12-2003, 02:05 AM	#46
Abyss_Vee Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,208	depends.. do you already have members,,,? what kinda traffic do you get,?

10-12-2003, 02:14 AM	#47
Keev Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 5,335	Exclusive __________________ ReliableServers.com - NO REF LINK!

10-12-2003, 02:37 AM	#48
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	for fuck sakes. exclusive has huge advantages - depending on your business model of course. fuckloads of members, pushing content on tgps - exclusive is fucking key. and cheap as hell when you have enough members. 1 member or 15000 members, shooting the video is going to cost the same amount. having the girls mention your site, every time they fuck, suck, maturbate, or eat out. ah, never mind. lol __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

10-12-2003, 02:57 AM	#50
maxjohan Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 7,219	I don't say shit before I got A: a life B: A truck full of cash. So for now shot me our something. I really is a nobody __________________ I went from 100 to 313,000 satoshis in 2 days! Lots of daily freerolls...