New SPAM law: Looks like CALI is Toughening up. - GoFuckYourself.com

bikinihouse · 09-24-2003, 07:10 PM

I have a feeling this will slow down spam considerbly.

http://www.dmnews.com/cgi-bin/artpre...ticle_id=25022

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp.../spam_attack_5

JSA Matt · 09-24-2003, 07:15 PM

"not only the firms that package and send spam to consumers, but also the companies whose products and services are being advertised"

Edit: maybe this will stop all the TCG spam

johnnycocker · 09-24-2003, 07:18 PM

The article says nothing about the law. I am guessing it just covers the same general topics as other states just higher fines. This is good for the business. I hope it stops the send safe kids with no remove links, using proxies, fakeing headers.

this is bad for business

CAHEK · 10-12-2003, 12:15 PM

this BS

Stud Money · 10-12-2003, 12:17 PM

Ive already used this in a few replies to companies spamming, seems they dont realize that im not in CA and they stop the spam almost immediately when i replie to their emails with the relevant sections of that law which would make it a federal offence for going over 'state' boundaries

Xplicit · 10-12-2003, 12:19 PM

It'll never be enforced.

Spam is a mult-million dollor business. All these spam laws will only make it so forigners can spam us... which in the long run, just hurts our economy and boosts others.

The only solution to spam is improved filters.

Even an American 'do not spam' list would become the UK's "Free list of U.S. addresses!".

Its a lost cause.

gin · 10-12-2003, 12:21 PM

don't worry about it.. won't hold up for shit in court like that VA law.. all you need is a lawyer and you never step a foot in a court room.. all those laws are just for publicity.. kindove like the donotcall.gov list.. many judges have thrown that out of their court room saying they wno't accept it.. spend 5k on a lawyer and you got no problems

galleryseek · 10-12-2003, 12:32 PM

my friend from a year ago lived in cali and aol is tracking him down now... he was makin sometimes more than 10k a day off of them... but yeah i got a subpeona email, i had my email as a contact from a domain name that i ordered with his credit card... and they're goin through all his domain names tryin to find info... in the email it said it was issued by "AOL v. Maryland Internet Marketing"

cluck · 10-12-2003, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by galleryseek
my friend from a year ago lived in cali and aol is tracking him down now... he was makin sometimes more than 10k a day off of them... but yeah i got a subpeona email, i had my email as a contact from a domain name that i ordered with his credit card... and they're goin through all his domain names tryin to find info... in the email it said it was issued by "AOL v. Maryland Internet Marketing"

Mistake #1: Don't use domains when you spam.

galleryseek · 10-12-2003, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cluck

Mistake #1: Don't use domains when you spam.

that domain name was never spammed. nothin was ever done illegal on it.

it had his name as the contact though so i assume that is why they subpeona'd the registrar for the domain information.

bigdog · 10-12-2003, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Xplicit
It'll never be enforced.

Spam is a mult-million dollor business. All these spam laws will only make it so forigners can spam us... which in the long run, just hurts our economy and boosts others.

The only solution to spam is improved filters.

Even an American 'do not spam' list would become the UK's "Free list of U.S. addresses!".

Its a lost cause.

a do not spam list would be the best list on the net

Gemini · 10-12-2003, 01:01 PM

kindove like the donotcall.gov list...

All of OUR lines quit ringing except the one day last week that they had to re-re-decide the legality of the list all over and the next day, sweet silence!

The countries will all get together sooner or later on laws about this, just like the phone. ;-) Quicker in this instance.

But spam IS fun! Just got a guy in the boonies booted off of his AOL account yesterday for spamming and he has NO other way to access the net. lmao He's making LOTS of money today eh?

brand0n · 10-12-2003, 01:11 PM

this is like saying "if we make coke against the law noone will do it!"

Raven · 10-12-2003, 01:23 PM

For every law, there is a loophole.

And, no one has ever been able to stop junk mail from the US Postal Service.

The Do Not Call list hasn't stopped MCI from waking up my mother in law three or four times a week.

Just like tobacco companies are hated in public and courted in private because of their money...spam will continue...because every time a law is passed or a filter is created...there will be someone finding ways around it.

fun2cboys · 10-12-2003, 01:34 PM

From the same article

"The DMA maintains that advertising is often about making people aware of new ideas, a concept that by definition requires some unsolicited contact."

"Though the various spam-related bills pending in Congress take aim at some of spammers' more egregious practices none would outlaw unsolicited commercial e-mail"

Spamming will stay alive .....

I think that it will just become regulated a bit more forcing those who send unsolicited mail to remove those who do not want their advertisements...

I get crap in my snail mail box every day of the week so does that mean that people are spamming my snail box?

I never get remove links in my snail mail box and I dont think that I have ever seen anything on any pice of paper junk that I get that allows me to OPT OUT....They dont put a BUSINESS REPLY envelope with thier paper spam so that I can send it back to be removed....What IS the difference REALLY?

hmmm

kush2 · 10-12-2003, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Xplicit
It'll never be enforced.

Spam is a mult-million dollor business. All these spam laws will only make it so forigners can spam us... which in the long run, just hurts our economy and boosts others.

The only solution to spam is improved filters.

Even an American 'do not spam' list would become the UK's "Free list of U.S. addresses!".

Its a lost cause.

Sounds like the justification of a spammer....

09-24-2003, 07:18 PM	#3
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10-12-2003, 01:11 PM	#13
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10-12-2003, 01:23 PM	#14
Raven Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,874	For every law, there is a loophole. And, no one has ever been able to stop junk mail from the US Postal Service. The Do Not Call list hasn't stopped MCI from waking up my mother in law three or four times a week. Just like tobacco companies are hated in public and courted in private because of their money...spam will continue...because every time a law is passed or a filter is created...there will be someone finding ways around it. __________________ Raven ~RETIRED~

09-24-2003, 07:10 PM	#1
bikinihouse Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 843	New SPAM law: Looks like CALI is Toughening up. I have a feeling this will slow down spam considerbly. http://www.dmnews.com/cgi-bin/artpre...ticle_id=25022 http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp.../spam_attack_5

09-24-2003, 07:15 PM	#2
JSA Matt So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 5,464	"not only the firms that package and send spam to consumers, but also the companies whose products and services are being advertised" Edit: maybe this will stop all the TCG spam

10-12-2003, 12:17 PM	#5
Stud Money So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Somewhere between my monitor and my chair Posts: 3,214	Ive already used this in a few replies to companies spamming, seems they dont realize that im not in CA and they stop the spam almost immediately when i replie to their emails with the relevant sections of that law which would make it a federal offence for going over 'state' boundaries

10-12-2003, 12:19 PM	#6
Xplicit Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: █◄►█ Posts: 3,558	It'll never be enforced. Spam is a mult-million dollor business. All these spam laws will only make it so forigners can spam us... which in the long run, just hurts our economy and boosts others. The only solution to spam is improved filters. Even an American 'do not spam' list would become the UK's "Free list of U.S. addresses!". Its a lost cause.

10-12-2003, 12:21 PM	#7
gin Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 672	don't worry about it.. won't hold up for shit in court like that VA law.. all you need is a lawyer and you never step a foot in a court room.. all those laws are just for publicity.. kindove like the donotcall.gov list.. many judges have thrown that out of their court room saying they wno't accept it.. spend 5k on a lawyer and you got no problems

10-12-2003, 12:32 PM	#8
galleryseek Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 8,234	my friend from a year ago lived in cali and aol is tracking him down now... he was makin sometimes more than 10k a day off of them... but yeah i got a subpeona email, i had my email as a contact from a domain name that i ordered with his credit card... and they're goin through all his domain names tryin to find info... in the email it said it was issued by "AOL v. Maryland Internet Marketing"

10-12-2003, 01:34 PM	#15
fun2cboys Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Eastern Iowa USA Posts: 643	From the same article "The DMA maintains that advertising is often about making people aware of new ideas, a concept that by definition requires some unsolicited contact." "Though the various spam-related bills pending in Congress take aim at some of spammers' more egregious practices none would outlaw unsolicited commercial e-mail" Spamming will stay alive ..... I think that it will just become regulated a bit more forcing those who send unsolicited mail to remove those who do not want their advertisements... I get crap in my snail mail box every day of the week so does that mean that people are spamming my snail box? I never get remove links in my snail mail box and I dont think that I have ever seen anything on any pice of paper junk that I get that allows me to OPT OUT....They dont put a BUSINESS REPLY envelope with thier paper spam so that I can send it back to be removed....What IS the difference REALLY? hmmm __________________ Every exit is an entrance to somewhere else.....