fidy foreign redirects!

:thumbsup

you are mean :(

All PPS programs shave, ALL OF THEM. Don't spam your program saying you don't shave cause you will just look like a fool.

So do recurring programs. What's your point?

Want to avoid shaving? Start your own site. It's the only way.

I would imagine they convert extremely well since only American traffic is counted as a unique. Or is this incorrect?

I'm sorry but not all partnership programs shave. I have seen a couple in my time, but the majority of them have no reason to shave. It's simple. Partnership programs don't have to come up with the money to pay you $35 for a trial membership that's going to cancel anyways.

Ps: With any PPS program, your traffic is being weighed. Depending on the productivity and quality of your traffic determines how many signups you will actually get credit for.

mmm... it says in their TOS that they only accept North American traffic, so it's not shaving to my eyes. Now, that they play with the fact that 99.99% of webmasters doesn't notice that and th edialer thingy makes them shitloads of money and you're giving them the traffic for free, that's a different story, but you cannot come saying they're shaving without any proof. After all, wether their TOS are tricky or not, it's clearly stated that they only accept North American (which, btw, means Canada and Mexico) traffic. And posting something like what you posted makes you look a little dumb, huh? :winkwink:

Sure they do sweetie.

Upsells in the members section? Cross-sells on the join form? Exit or entrance consoles? Free newsletter box?

I haven't seen many recurring sites without at least 2 of the above. That's shaving. Making money off of my traffic without paying me for it is shaving. PPS pays for traffic period.

PPS owns.

indeed
nobody forces anyone to use them

orgasmcash is solid
have been at their place in toronto 2 months ago
fucking nice crew
fucking solid company

TRAX approved :winkwink:

it's hardly surprising sponsors shave when the general comment from just about everyone is "well all sponsors shave". What sponsor wouldn't shave if he see's it's accepted by everyone. I'm not naive, i know they all do it, but the public acceptance of it by pretty much everyone, will surely just make them turn up the shavometer even more. when it should be attacked for what it is, fraud.

It's just that simple. :thumbsup

Most of you people wouldn't believe the amount of money that can be made from your own paysite vs some programs sites.

sorry dude
but i think thats pure BS

shaving exists up to the moment where the surfer joined the site (i agree)
shaving (in my mind) means, not being payed for a proper signup!
as soon as the surfer signed up he is no longer your problem...
you got paid for him to join - thats it
if anyone earns cash on him in the members area is non of your business!
:2 cents:

Newsletters, type-ins, bookmarks, canceled members returning.

Simple math to me!

After the inital sale the surfer is no longer yours. Upsells in the members section is a way to maximize profits and is none of your concern. What kind of FOOL would pay you for upsells in their members area?

Since when do free newsletter boxes make money?

Most programs do give credit for consoles.

As far as cross sales, i've seen some programs that give credit for them, but I wouldn't. That's just bad business.

well done orgasm cash, Ive just removed all your links... By the way not all programs shave!

Ahaha. Ok.

You're right. Free newsletter boxes NEVER make money. Ok.

PPS programs pay for upsells. That's another reason they can AFFORD to do PPS.

What a stupid thread. Getting no credit from non-US traffic is crazy but hardly shaving is it's clearly stated in the TOS. Just use a different sponsor. If you're going to chuck BS accusations around about someone at least make sure they are accurate.

Fucking daft thing to do though. UK alone makes up for 25% of joins on my gay site. I'm buggered if I'll waste any of that sending it straight to a dialler. Of course having a dialler as an option or using it on exit or after a decline is a different thing entirely...

conclusion from this thread














Tipsy runs gay site :Graucho

your wrong Its shaving. Fuck their TOC's what ever way you look at it its shaving, I wouldnt do it. Would you if someone signed up to your program?

Bleh.. mom should have swallowed :glugglug

You forgot to say because they use ccbill/ibill/epoch/jettis for tracking they can't shave.

LOL

NOT TRUE . i have never ever shaved. most of my affiliiates i give them access straight to the epoch login to make sure there isn't a small error and for some reason my script doesn't track it. won't tell you what program i run.. but i'd suggest trying out alot of smaller programs. most of them are honest. pay a little lower from the outside looking in. but from no shave and credit for all exit sales at 30$ a sale even 25$ a sale you will make more then any of the other sites. that is a guarantee.. plus who would you rather work with.. some one mailing your traffic 5 - 10 times per day. slamming them with upsells. robbing them with cross sales.. stealing foreign traffic. no credit for checks. no credit for popups. I NEVER UNDERSTOOD THIS. but everybody seems to go by this "the bigger the program the more i will make" when ever i send traffic to any of the "big "affiliate programs i almost laugh at how they shave so bad, point to this is.. try alot of affiliate programs. you'll find the 1 out of 100 program that doesn't shave and is honest.. if anybody wants to try my shit.. you can call me out anytime.. to login straight to epoch and check the stats.. if they don't match up after pay period.. i will pay 10k to that affiliate. anytime of the day 24/7 .. just my thoughts..

Crap, Ive never shaved and know 100's of others who wouldnt, most of us wouldnt know how to with CCBill

I too have been sending to Orgasm and have always had great conversions, always paid on time. Plus they have those funny accents that remind me of the Pink Panther movies. I love those guys man!

Isn't orgasm cash same people as python? They must have 20 different front ends and names... Wonder why they keep changing? Are they hiding? If so, from who? Surfers? Webmasters?

All you had to do was look at this one page
http://www.sponsorspecs.com/main.php
and you could see which sponsors pay on ALL joins!

sheesh when are you guys gonna make this easy on yourselves ... I've done all the investigating FOR YOU ;)

No I'm not wrong. It's clearly stated in the TOS an part of doing business with them. If you want to take it to the Nth degree then like SLY says every program shaves. However for most people shaving is stealing joins/money without informing you. These people do not do that. It may be a stupid thing to do but theat does not make it shaving.

They state they keep foreign traffic so the obvious answer is don't use them. There's plenty out there that don't do that.

does that itch?

fact is. these bigger programs pay people to say good stuff about their programs. they will pay people to post with their affiliate program in their profile. will pay people to bump their threads. will pay 17,000$ to refer more people to the program so you are trying to get more and more for something you have a 99.9999% chance of winning. you all need to open your fucking eyes :2 cents:

Good deal gin. I know all about the smaller programs and they were always the way to go. Hell, I made a fortune off BlacksOnBlondes a couple years ago and now i'm working for the best and most honest people I have ever met.

Ok, i'll retract my statement. All PPS programs that do their own tracking shave :) Not going to name any names but I have seen and built scripts for this purpose.

You can argue the rights and wrongs all you like. How many webmasters read the TOC's? Not many, Im not saying in a court of law you wouldnt be right. You would! But thats just plain and simple shaving, nobody would suspect that. It might not be illegal but its dishonest in my opinion

Please explain how a clearly out of date page will help?

You can always give us a try. :)

No..we are not the same people.

Why do you insist on spreading bullshit and lies?

Have you ever had a conversation with anyone from Python..No one hear knows who you are.

WTF are you talking about changing names?...we have been around since the middle 90's using the same name.

At one point on the jasonandalex signup page you guys offered a pay per signup so were you guys shaving signups back then?

my thoughts on all this

-redirecting foreign traffic without credit is lame, however read the TOS

-partnership programs that employ exits, cross-sales, ect should give a percentage to affilates, its understandable in a PPS program but not in partnership

-shaving is a reality of this industry but should not be condoned

CORRECT!

The future is in programs which help you convert all your

traffic like ARS and internationalbucks - not just parts of it.

Most major sponsors do NOT redirect all foreign traffic and don´t

give the webmaster credit for it. That´s Bullshit. Only a couple

do it and they play with the fact that 90% of their webmasters

won´t notice.


:2 cents:

Dieselcash

payment schedule--->ccbill sponsor, so weekly, of course ppl can change that to min amount of X dollars etc

NO Cross sales
revshare=50% when you do around 10 sales a day 60%
console code--->no popups at all

refer stats--->ccbill stats, so only join url's
payy all join types--->if you mean if we redirect traffic, NO, so every country could join on the ccbill page, if ccbilllet them join....


Andre

Yes, but Marina is so hot ;)

91 posts of shaves :1orglaugh

:1orglaugh

Guess those 50 credit cards and 10k foriegn proxies dont do well on dialers aye :1orglaugh

Sokkar,

you probably have no traffic to send anyway,, if you come bitching here like a baby

:321GFY :321GFY

Know any other sponsors (beside ARS and internationalbucks) that doesn't shave?

This is not the choice of Orgamscash, its the choice Python made. And AFAIK OC use Python's billing backend. If OC was to send all that European traffic to the Python signup page it would get redirected to dialer hell there and they won't see a cent for it. So they're better off redirecting it to their own dialers and make a dollar or two off of it.

If you want to get paid on the dialer revenues use a geo redirect script on your end.

I dont mind exits...
what i really hate is Back button hijacking


*cough* TCG *cough*

I only see the dialer console on entry, the rest is on exit. The disabled back button doesn't bother me that much.

WG

Do they know who I am?


Nothing to hide, Orgasm Cash simply uses Pythons backend/merchant accounts. They are very close, but not one in the same.