i'm going to give $5000 to the impa and become a Sustaining Member... but - GoFuckYourself.com

quiet · 10-09-2003, 03:00 AM

only if we can raise at least another $2500 in this thread. so, simply post how much you are willing to anti up, and go through with your donation (hopefully many of you will, since so many appear to side with the IMPA - and rightly so). someone can add it all together, and as soon as we hit $2500 in ACTUAL donations - i'll donate an additional $5000.

5 bucks, 50 bucks, 500 bucks, 1000... if it genuine, it's hugely appreciated. let's see how this goes...

KC · 10-09-2003, 03:08 AM

Why not a matching donation up to $5K.. ;)

GFY can come up with the full 5K

quiet · 10-09-2003, 03:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KC
Why not a matching donation up to $5K.. ;)

GFY can come up with the full 5K

hell yes, that would be great. just not sure what the response is going to be ;)

do i hear 10 bucks? 20? something?

Tipsy · 10-09-2003, 03:16 AM

$100 - that's if Eric posts this 2mill prize list and it can be sorted. Not a lot but it all helps

quiet · 10-09-2003, 03:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tipsy
$100 - that's if Eric posts this 2mill prize list and it can be sorted. Not a lot but it all helps

that means 2400 to go. cheers Tipsy

quiet · 10-09-2003, 03:45 AM

bump before i go to bed.

20 or 50 bucks will help huge...

sexeducation · 10-09-2003, 03:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet
bump before i go to bed.

20 or 50 bucks will help huge...

$50 dollars ... I don't know how I will get that to you.

One condition ...
sell me a video that is 2257 compliant ....
content of the video not important ...
obviously...

quiet · 10-09-2003, 03:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexeducation

$50 dollars ... I don't know how I will get that to you.

One condition ...
sell me a video that is 2257 compliant ....
content of the video not important ...
obviously...

lol. you give it to them, not to me. read the thread.

http://impai.org. you won't get fuck all from me - i'm giving 5K to them once 2500 is reached.

Tipsy · 10-09-2003, 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet

read the thread.

You should know he can't manage that or if he does then basic comprehension always eludes him.

sexeducation · 10-09-2003, 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet

lol. you give it to them, not to me. read the thread.

http://impai.org. you won't get fuck all from me - i'm giving 5K to them once 2500 is reached.

If you believe in the cause why any conditions?
Just do it.
Why even post ?

quiet · 10-09-2003, 03:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexeducation

If you believe in the cause why any conditions?
Just do it.
Why even post ?

to raise extra money and awarness. now kindly leave my thread.

thanks

sexeducation · 10-09-2003, 04:02 AM

QUIET...
It appears you are all mouth.
Give the $5K or shut the fuck up.
No conditions ... just do it.
Mr MotorMouth?

quiet · 10-09-2003, 04:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexeducation
QUIET...
It appears you are all mouth.
Give the $5K or shut the fuck up.
No conditions ... just do it.
Mr MotorMouth?

thanks for ruining yet ANOTHER potentially helpful and important thread with your crazy mad man ranting.

Groove · 10-09-2003, 04:04 AM

quiet · 10-09-2003, 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Groove
$20

sweet

2380 to go...

sexeducation · 10-09-2003, 04:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet

thanks for ruining yet ANOTHER potentially helpful and important thread with your crazy mad man ranting.

So that means you have changed your mind and now will NOT be donating to IMPAI.org.

Seems obvious to me your bullshit fucking posts.

Tipsy · 10-09-2003, 04:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet

sweet

2380 to go...

If you're off to grab z's I'll keep it bumped. I feel a tight ass only offering the $100 from the 'winnings' but the tax man wants a huge piece of my ass in the very near future. Hopefully though more will pop up as after all - this affects the whole industry and everyone in it one way or another.

An edit : As for the lunatic best simply not to answer him at all. His attention span matches that of his intelligence i.e. a 5yr old, and he usually soon loses interest if you ignore him.

neuromancer · 10-09-2003, 04:09 AM

I'll donate $50 to the cause

Groove · 10-09-2003, 04:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexeducation

So that means you have changed your mind and now will NOT be donating to IMPAI.org.

Seems obvious to me your bullshit fucking posts.

Dude just shut up! Stay out of the Acacia threads!

You highjack EVERY Acacia thread with your insane rantings!

You are NOT helping! Go away!

quiet · 10-09-2003, 04:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tipsy

If you're off to grab z's I'll keep it bumped. I feel a tight ass only offering the $100 from the 'winnings' but the tax man wants a huge piece of my ass in the very near future. Hopefully though more will pop up as after all - this affects the whole industry and everyone in it one way or another.

100 bucks is enough to become a contributing member for the year - cheers

quiet · 10-09-2003, 04:12 AM

down to $2330

Groove · 10-09-2003, 04:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet

hell yes, that would be great. just not sure what the response is going to be ;)

YES, make it 1 for 1

You WILL get the $5k and hopefully more

fiveyes · 10-09-2003, 04:43 AM

I'm heading over right now to drop off my first $100- so make it $2230 more to go!

Quote:

Originally posted by sexeducation
$50 dollars ... I don't know how I will get that to you.

One condition ...
sell me a video that is 2257 compliant ....
content of the video not important ...
obviously...

Quote:

Originally posted by sexeducation
If you believe in the cause why any conditions?
Just do it.
Why even post ?

Doncha' just love it when people talk to themselves in these threads!

Groove · 10-09-2003, 04:46 AM

OK, I pledge another $20

C'mon guys and girls SHOW US THE MONEY!

Or at least bump the friggen thread

This is an issue that affects us all!

bigdog · 10-09-2003, 05:19 AM

$1 because i am making bank on the Acacia stock

Libertine · 10-09-2003, 05:21 AM

Do they take wire transfers?

siccmade · 10-09-2003, 05:30 AM

Groove · 10-09-2003, 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by punkworld
Do they take wire transfers?

Most likely yes. But I suggest that you e-mail
[email protected] to confirm this.

C_U_Next_Tuesday · 10-09-2003, 06:12 AM

will pledge $20 as soon as my membership application goes through

Tipsy · 10-09-2003, 06:17 AM

I make that $2290 to go

C_U_Next_Tuesday · 10-09-2003, 07:06 AM

bump

Big E · 10-09-2003, 07:08 AM

Put me (personally) in for $100.

Let me check with Papa Bumble and see what the company wants to contribute.

LadyMischief · 10-09-2003, 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexeducation

So that means you have changed your mind and now will NOT be donating to IMPAI.org.

Seems obvious to me your bullshit fucking posts.

And you, my fine feathered, utterly useless, incredibily stupid not-friend, have NO FUCKING IDEA who the fuck you are talking to. $5k is chump change to this boy.. now climb back under your rock and stop being an annoying little prick.

LadyMischief · 10-09-2003, 07:11 AM

I'm not subject to Acacia, however I believe that what they are doing is extortion. I'll throw in $50.. not a lot, but it's something

magicmike · 10-09-2003, 07:18 AM

Nice thread quiet.

I'll put up $1000 to get you closer

Groove · 10-09-2003, 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by magicmike
Nice thread quiet.

I'll put up $1000 to get you closer

Nice one

goBigtime · 10-09-2003, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexeducation
QUIET...
It appears you are all mouth.
Give the $5K or shut the fuck up.
No conditions ... just do it.
Mr MotorMouth?

For the longest time I thought that you were such a fuckup idiot that you HAD to be someones (or multiple peoples) GFY drama character -- but I'm starting to realize that you are for real.

Wow.

Get some

candyflip · 10-09-2003, 07:25 AM

I had $19.85 hanging in Paypal that I couldn't find anything to do with. Looks like I found something. I pledge this same amount on a monthly recurring basis

1st Payment sent.

Zappu · 10-09-2003, 07:31 AM

Just a little note before. We have made a smaler donation of $400 in August, but we even not get any reaction for this. It would be very nice, if people are making any donation they will be kept up to date at least once per month about the latest news. Just something to think about.

Ok, we will extend our donation and give 20% of any sale made via paypal at our shop and we will give this month another $300

LadyMischief · 10-09-2003, 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by goBigtime

For the longest time I thought that you were such a fuckup idiot that you HAD to be someones (or multiple peoples) GFY drama character -- but I'm starting to realize that you are for real.

Wow.

Get some

I assure you as the Calgary Police assured me in one of my many correspondences with them, this fellow is all too real.

JMM · 10-09-2003, 07:46 AM

WOW, what a great thread (well most of it anyway).

For those keeping track, we received 2 donations into our paypal account in the last 24 hours. One from candyflip for $19.85 and one from magicmike for $1000. To both of you, I say THANK YOU!

For those of you that have donated previously and have not received the recognition that you DEFINITELY deserve, my apologies, that recognition will be coming shortly. I am the CFO of the IMPA and the lack of recognition is entirely my fault. In addition to my duties with the IMPA, I am also a member of the defense group (my streaming company www.ademia.com is one of the defendants fighting this to the end), and I have my other companies to run as well. I could offer the excuse that there are just not enough hours in the day, but as someone famous pointed out once, there are the same number of hours there have always been, so that would be a lame excuse.

To everyone that has donated money to this fight, whether it be $1, or $10,000, I say THANK YOU! A more formal, public thank you will be coming soon.

I ask that if you have donated money and you DO NOT wish to be recognized, please contact me and let me know.

To those of you that have donated your time (fight this patent), I also offer my thanks both personally and on behalf of the IMPA and the defense group.

Let's keep fighting the good fight, for the benefit of us all!

Tipsy · 10-09-2003, 07:50 AM

Mine'll follow as soon as the prize thing is sorted. Daren't dip into the tax mans money

FightThisPatent · 10-09-2003, 07:53 AM

Hello all,

With my post at: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=184141

I have started the Pledge Drive for the formation of Fight The Patent Foundation. I am looking to raise $250,000 in pledges to be able to form this non-profit (501c3) organization.

There are some major differences between IMPA's efforts and FTPF's efforts.

IMPA is an association that is looking out for all kinds of issues that will affect webmaster's business. Patents are just one part of what they are addressing.

FTPF is only focused on patents and patent abuse cases, whether to help invalidate patents directly at the USPTO or to assist defendants in litigation with prior art and expert witness testimony.

As you read about FTPF, you will see there is a novel way that I intend to get experts to come forward to help.

It may or may not come a surprise to you, but many people in the mainstream don't like the adult industry, and actually applaud Acacia's efforts becuase they read articles in mainstream media that talks about "patents on porn" and other nonsense. When i tell people that Acacia is also targeting schools and universities like Seton Hall, they stop their chuckling.

FTPF's efforts are to spread the word in mainstream, to wake up the experts that could help provide testimony and prior art, and compensate them, not by paying them money, but by donating money to their favorite charity in their name... this is based on the idea of "Paying it Forward".

In that respect, you can think of FTPF as being a subset of what IMPA does, but i don't want to be under their umbrella, because FTPF is looking to go to mainstream to get the experts involved, raise donations from companies like Apple, Real Networks, MS, yahoo, aol, sony, etc... and not to be stigmatised as being an "adult industry organization".

When you go to my site to read more about FTPF, on the Endorsements page, you will find a show of support by Far-L for FTPF.

There is a great synergy between IMPA and FTPF. We both are looking to protect webmaster's right to have audio/video on their websites. Our approaches are very different since FTPF is narrowly focused on patents and IMPA is broadly focused on all business issues.

Please post in this thread: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=184141

You will also find a post i made about an adult industry player that has patents on exit consoles!

Now back to your regularly scheduled thread...

Fight the Patent!

Tipsy · 10-09-2003, 08:34 AM

We must be over half way now!

Bex · 10-09-2003, 08:41 AM

Nice idea Quiet. C'mon people, open up those wallets. Every little bit helps.

Tipsy · 10-09-2003, 10:01 AM

Roll up....roll up....make your pledges here!

FreeFastHost · 10-09-2003, 10:08 AM

I never use paypal, but I just looked and I have $9.05 left in my account, so I'll donate that.

I already donated a few months ago too.

JFPdude · 10-09-2003, 10:14 AM

1.) Whats the paypal address to donate to.

2.) Please give some information out to the smaller webmasters that can be affected on this. IE: how it can affect a smaller webmaster and not just the big companies that are being targetted now.

I ask this because all I see to this point is people asking for money but not giving out any information on how it affects the little guys and I search but couldn't find a paypal address without giving all my information to impa.

We all understand how it affects the big guys ... but not many people are seeing how it's affecting the little guys because acacia isn't targetting them YET.

Sharpie · 10-09-2003, 10:27 AM

JFP dude - anything that affects the 'big guys - affects the 'little guys! Just follow the money - or the 'lack of it.

Most of us survive off the money that comes from the 'big guys in one way or another. Sponsor programs, traffic trades, content sales, and the list goes on...

Tipsy · 10-09-2003, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JFPdude

I ask this because all I see to this point is people asking for money but not giving out any information on how it affects the little guys and I search but couldn't find a paypal address without giving all my information to impa.

We all understand how it affects the big guys ... but not many people are seeing how it's affecting the little guys because acacia isn't targetting them YET.

It really has been explained many, many times though. First off if you use video anywhere on your own sites you owe them a min of $1500 a year (according to them). Secondly if any sponsor you are using gets hit by them (not talking the BS sweetheart deals that have been going on) it may have a huge impact on their profits and thus ability to pay you the same that they are now.

Then add to that the other companies waiting in line behind them to do the same and things start to get very worrying.

10-09-2003, 03:00 AM	#1
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	i'm going to give $5000 to the impa and become a Sustaining Member... but only if we can raise at least another $2500 in this thread. so, simply post how much you are willing to anti up, and go through with your donation (hopefully many of you will, since so many appear to side with the IMPA - and rightly so). someone can add it all together, and as soon as we hit $2500 in ACTUAL donations - i'll donate an additional $5000. 5 bucks, 50 bucks, 500 bucks, 1000... if it genuine, it's hugely appreciated. let's see how this goes... __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

10-09-2003, 03:08 AM	#2
KC Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 1995 Posts: 2,417	Why not a matching donation up to $5K.. ;) GFY can come up with the full 5K __________________ Jupiter Hosting, Inc. Vice President, Business Development kc (AT) jupiterhosting.com

10-09-2003, 03:16 AM	#4
Tipsy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: See sig Posts: 6,989	$100 - that's if Eric posts this 2mill prize list and it can be sorted. Not a lot but it all helps __________________ Ignorance is never bliss.

10-09-2003, 03:45 AM	#6
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	bump before i go to bed. 20 or 50 bucks will help huge... __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

10-09-2003, 04:12 AM	#21
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	down to $2330 __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

10-09-2003, 04:02 AM	#12
sexeducation So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Calgary - Alberta - Canada Posts: 7,315	QUIET... It appears you are all mouth. Give the $5K or shut the fuck up. No conditions ... just do it. Mr MotorMouth?

10-09-2003, 04:04 AM	#14
Groove Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,852	$20

10-09-2003, 04:09 AM	#18
neuromancer Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 281	I'll donate $50 to the cause

10-09-2003, 04:46 AM	#24
Groove Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,852	OK, I pledge another $20 C'mon guys and girls SHOW US THE MONEY! Or at least bump the friggen thread This is an issue that affects us all!

10-09-2003, 05:19 AM	#25
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	$1 because i am making bank on the Acacia stock

10-09-2003, 05:21 AM	#26
Libertine sex dwarf Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 17,860	Do they take wire transfers? __________________ /(bb\|[^b]{2})/

10-09-2003, 05:30 AM	#27
siccmade Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 1,641	Bump __________________ Adult XXX Hits - Adult Traffic Exchange. Get free traffic!

10-09-2003, 06:12 AM	#29
C_U_Next_Tuesday WW4L Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: over the river and through the woods Posts: 10,581	will pledge $20 as soon as my membership application goes through

10-09-2003, 06:17 AM	#30
Tipsy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: See sig Posts: 6,989	I make that $2290 to go __________________ Ignorance is never bliss.

10-09-2003, 07:06 AM	#31
C_U_Next_Tuesday WW4L Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: over the river and through the woods Posts: 10,581	bump

10-09-2003, 07:08 AM	#32
Big E Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 935	Put me (personally) in for $100. Let me check with Papa Bumble and see what the company wants to contribute.

10-09-2003, 07:11 AM	#34
LadyMischief Orgasms N Such! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 18,135	I'm not subject to Acacia, however I believe that what they are doing is extortion. I'll throw in $50.. not a lot, but it's something __________________ ICQ 3522039 Content Manager - orgasm.com [email protected]

10-09-2003, 07:18 AM	#35
magicmike Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: JustPorno Posts: 2,384	Nice thread quiet. I'll put up $1000 to get you closer __________________ Just Porno with both classic and mobile porn versions. Gay Porn Our mega gay site tranny porn

10-09-2003, 07:25 AM	#38
candyflip Carpe Visio Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New York Posts: 43,064	I had $19.85 hanging in Paypal that I couldn't find anything to do with. Looks like I found something. I pledge this same amount on a monthly recurring basis 1st Payment sent. __________________ Spend you some brain. Email Me

10-09-2003, 07:31 AM	#39
Zappu Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,556	Just a little note before. We have made a smaler donation of $400 in August, but we even not get any reaction for this. It would be very nice, if people are making any donation they will be kept up to date at least once per month about the latest news. Just something to think about. Ok, we will extend our donation and give 20% of any sale made via paypal at our shop and we will give this month another $300 __________________ Zappu (ICQ: 23141467) European Erotik Content Archive CONTENT4FREE = CONTENT4CLICKS X JOIN NOW!

10-09-2003, 07:46 AM	#41
JMM Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,755	WOW, what a great thread (well most of it anyway). For those keeping track, we received 2 donations into our paypal account in the last 24 hours. One from candyflip for $19.85 and one from magicmike for $1000. To both of you, I say THANK YOU! For those of you that have donated previously and have not received the recognition that you DEFINITELY deserve, my apologies, that recognition will be coming shortly. I am the CFO of the IMPA and the lack of recognition is entirely my fault. In addition to my duties with the IMPA, I am also a member of the defense group (my streaming company www.ademia.com is one of the defendants fighting this to the end), and I have my other companies to run as well. I could offer the excuse that there are just not enough hours in the day, but as someone famous pointed out once, there are the same number of hours there have always been, so that would be a lame excuse. To everyone that has donated money to this fight, whether it be $1, or $10,000, I say THANK YOU! A more formal, public thank you will be coming soon. I ask that if you have donated money and you DO NOT wish to be recognized, please contact me and let me know. To those of you that have donated your time (fight this patent), I also offer my thanks both personally and on behalf of the IMPA and the defense group. Let's keep fighting the good fight, for the benefit of us all!

10-09-2003, 07:50 AM	#42
Tipsy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: See sig Posts: 6,989	Mine'll follow as soon as the prize thing is sorted. Daren't dip into the tax mans money __________________ Ignorance is never bliss.

10-09-2003, 07:53 AM	#43
FightThisPatent Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 4,090	Hello all, With my post at: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=184141 I have started the Pledge Drive for the formation of Fight The Patent Foundation. I am looking to raise $250,000 in pledges to be able to form this non-profit (501c3) organization. There are some major differences between IMPA's efforts and FTPF's efforts. IMPA is an association that is looking out for all kinds of issues that will affect webmaster's business. Patents are just one part of what they are addressing. FTPF is only focused on patents and patent abuse cases, whether to help invalidate patents directly at the USPTO or to assist defendants in litigation with prior art and expert witness testimony. As you read about FTPF, you will see there is a novel way that I intend to get experts to come forward to help. It may or may not come a surprise to you, but many people in the mainstream don't like the adult industry, and actually applaud Acacia's efforts becuase they read articles in mainstream media that talks about "patents on porn" and other nonsense. When i tell people that Acacia is also targeting schools and universities like Seton Hall, they stop their chuckling. FTPF's efforts are to spread the word in mainstream, to wake up the experts that could help provide testimony and prior art, and compensate them, not by paying them money, but by donating money to their favorite charity in their name... this is based on the idea of "Paying it Forward". In that respect, you can think of FTPF as being a subset of what IMPA does, but i don't want to be under their umbrella, because FTPF is looking to go to mainstream to get the experts involved, raise donations from companies like Apple, Real Networks, MS, yahoo, aol, sony, etc... and not to be stigmatised as being an "adult industry organization". When you go to my site to read more about FTPF, on the Endorsements page, you will find a show of support by Far-L for FTPF. There is a great synergy between IMPA and FTPF. We both are looking to protect webmaster's right to have audio/video on their websites. Our approaches are very different since FTPF is narrowly focused on patents and IMPA is broadly focused on all business issues. Please post in this thread: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=184141 You will also find a post i made about an adult industry player that has patents on exit consoles! Now back to your regularly scheduled thread... Fight the Patent! __________________ http://www.t3report.com (where's the traffic?) v5.0 is out! \| http://www.FightThePatent.com \| ICQ 52741957

10-09-2003, 08:34 AM	#44
Tipsy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: See sig Posts: 6,989	We must be over half way now! __________________ Ignorance is never bliss.

10-09-2003, 08:41 AM	#45
Bex Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 2,382	Nice idea Quiet. C'mon people, open up those wallets. Every little bit helps. __________________ www.NicheWealth.com

10-09-2003, 10:01 AM	#46
Tipsy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: See sig Posts: 6,989	Roll up....roll up....make your pledges here! __________________ Ignorance is never bliss.

10-09-2003, 10:08 AM	#47
FreeFastHost Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,588	I never use paypal, but I just looked and I have $9.05 left in my account, so I'll donate that. I already donated a few months ago too.

10-09-2003, 10:14 AM	#48
JFPdude Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Mountains of Western North Carolina. Posts: 4,027	1.) Whats the paypal address to donate to. 2.) Please give some information out to the smaller webmasters that can be affected on this. IE: how it can affect a smaller webmaster and not just the big companies that are being targetted now. I ask this because all I see to this point is people asking for money but not giving out any information on how it affects the little guys and I search but couldn't find a paypal address without giving all my information to impa. We all understand how it affects the big guys ... but not many people are seeing how it's affecting the little guys because acacia isn't targetting them YET.

10-09-2003, 10:27 AM	#49
Sharpie Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 438	JFP dude - anything that affects the 'big guys - affects the 'little guys! Just follow the money - or the 'lack of it. Most of us survive off the money that comes from the 'big guys in one way or another. Sponsor programs, traffic trades, content sales, and the list goes on...